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pumpum 04-19-2008 06:38 AM

Animal Injustice
 
I cant understand why human life is more valuable than animal life :mad:

I starting to get pissed off with seeing people on the news torturing their pets and then getting what amounts to a slap on the wrist :mad:

where i live a giy has just been found guilty of beating his dog and then killing it by putting it in a washing machine wtf !! :mad: he got 3 months probation !!

why is it that if a human kills a human then they will get like 10 years but if that same person stabs a dog or cat to death for fun he wont even go 2 jail !

I sort of understand that human life is obviously more imortant to humans! but still it makes me mad at such light punishments for animal abusers.

if it were me id torture these assholes:mad:

Gackt21 04-19-2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 465279)
I cant understand why human life is more valuable than animal life :mad:

I starting to get pissed off with seeing people on the news torturing their pets and then getting what amounts to a slap on the wrist :mad:

where i live a giy has just been found guilty of beating his dog and then killing it by putting it in a washing machine wtf !! :mad: he got 3 months probation !!

why is it that if a human kills a human then they will get like 10 years but if that same person stabs a dog or cat to death for fun he wont even go 2 jail !

I sort of understand that human life is obviously more imortant to humans! but still it makes me mad at such light punishments for animal abusers.

if it were me id torture these assholes:mad:

I feel the same way when someone abuses an pet of any kind.
Animal have feeling too and I know when an animal feels threaten what they will do.
I like to put those people on the other end and let them feel what it feels like to the animals.

superheel 04-19-2008 02:03 PM

Same here too, i have this strange love to animals and animals love me too. Dogs always make my day whenever i see them but it breaks my heart when i see them suffering. That's the problem of the world today, humans are somewhat selfish and only cares about humans. This is one of the reasons why i want to be a lawyer someday. When i have a pet again, i promise that i will treat them as humans...

cinti720 04-19-2008 02:17 PM

i see a lot of this where i work.. i work at an emergency animal hospital. and i work in an area very very poor. some kid decided to go on a rampage with his bb gun and shot 3 cats and 4 dogs. (thank goodness they are all fine) animal control came to my work and viewed what happened and then just gave the kids parents a ticket and took the bb gun. i have to go to court next week to show what where my findings with these critters. im thinking if they are going to denver court other than another city they WILL get a big fine and put this kid in classes about anger and stuff..

I live in colorado and we are big on animal abuse. except in areas where poverty is. i myself in my neighborhood had gotten a calls from the animal control stating that a neighborhood says that i leave my dogs out side with no food or water and that i hit them.. i guess it sorta depends where u live to see what extent the law will go.

pumpum 04-20-2008 03:10 AM

do you think though that an animal life should be of equal value by law as a human life ??

XrachelleX 04-20-2008 03:12 AM

YES!!!!! THEY HAVE JUST THE SAME LIFE WE DO!!! AFTER ALL---HUMANS ARE ANIMALS!!!WHY SHOULD ALL THE OTHER ONES BE TREATED DIFFERNENTLY?!?!?!!

pumpum 04-20-2008 03:14 AM

lol damn rachelle could u post that message again please - i think i missed it !! lmao :D :D :D :D

XrachelleX 04-20-2008 03:15 AM

eh-heh.....sorry. i gotta little carried away....

pumpum 04-20-2008 03:30 AM

no its cool lol - im with you, i totally agree but i just thought maybe not every1 does and it would be nice to hear why !

Drend 04-20-2008 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 466108)
do you think though that an animal life should be of equal value by law as a human life ??

This would basically destroy the world's meat market, as well as leave people out of a hobby (Hunting, fishing, etc). From what I've heard in schoolbooks, there's still places in less developed area of the world that depend on hunting to survive. Should they die out because they have to wait for crops to grow. What if the crops aren't good? Then they all die. An animal's life should not be equal to a human's life. It would screw the economy up more than it already is.

Hyakushi 04-20-2008 04:51 AM

Hmmmm . . . I never cared much for dogs or any type of animal nor do I care much about people either, guess it depends on what they are to me.

pumpum 04-20-2008 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Drend (Post 466139)
This would basically destroy the world's meat market, as well as leave people out of a hobby (Hunting, fishing, etc). From what I've heard in schoolbooks, there's still places in less developed area of the world that depend on hunting to survive. Should they die out because they have to wait for crops to grow. What if the crops aren't good? Then they all die. An animal's life should not be equal to a human's life. It would screw the economy up more than it already is.

no !! i dont mean for eating /human consumption, i mean crime like abuse against them :)

ivi0nk3y 04-20-2008 09:34 AM

Well of course animal cruelty is sickening. I've always wanted to bash faces in of people who have abused anything like that :mad: Even killing of insects >.>
I'm a regular Ace Ventura when it comes to that.

XrachelleX 04-20-2008 02:41 PM

i agree. and that movies funny. but what really ticks me of is dog races. i cant stand them and i hate the ida of it too. they should be illegal everywhere in the world.

forgotenmemory 04-20-2008 03:12 PM

Oh, that was cool.

animelover32 04-20-2008 03:40 PM

I'm against animal crulty all the way. It makes me so mad when I hear an act of it. No, I'm not a part of Peta and I don't plan to be either. They may be against it as well but they take their actions too far.

yuujirou 04-20-2008 04:08 PM

kyuu x]
silly humans~~
taking for granted and too far the fact that they carry better developed brains capable of intelligent thought and the ability to act upon reason, as opposed to instinct~with some feeling that because they are the only ones that possess this capacity, denounce the value of the lives of those lacking it. we truly are a disgusting and sickening species~ aren't we? =O

SHELKE17 04-20-2008 04:12 PM

I love animals so much i can't understand how a human can be so evil to a animal i watch those animal cop shows on animal planet when its on and seeing poor baby kittens and puppys getting abused it makes me so MAD!!!!!!!!!!

pumpum 04-21-2008 06:41 AM

No - one is answering my question lol let me phrase it another way

If a 17 year old committed a murder for which he would receive capital punishment....................would YOU also agree that if he killed a cat......then he should also be executed ?

I do - i think that if a person murders a dog for example then they qualify for the death penalty.

ivi0nk3y 04-21-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 467414)
No - one is answering my question lol let me phrase it another way

If a 17 year old committed a murder for which he would receive capital punishment....................would YOU also agree that if he killed a cat......then he should also be executed ?

I do - i think that if a person murders a dog for example then they qualify for the death penalty.

I don't. >.>

AmbeRz 04-21-2008 11:22 AM

I dont think he should receive capital punishment if he killed a cat.

forgotenmemory 04-21-2008 12:29 PM

Okay, all you people are kind of annoying me, well, not all of you, but the ones that are getting mad about animal abuse, why don't you do anything if you care so much?

NightChilde25 04-21-2008 12:31 PM

I agree with Pumpum. If someone brutally kills an animal I think they should get the same punishment if it were a human they had killed. People that abuse animals sicken me. They have feelings too. If anyone thinks they are not feeling, thinking, creatures then they have not spent anytime with one. It has become a felony here to abuse an animal. I'm glad of that but I still think more should be done. Most serial killers start off by torturing and killing animals, so would it not make sense to stop these monsters before they move on to humans?

Forgottenmemory, I actually do my part to prevent this. I support the aspca and I've written to so many state officials on this matter that they probably roll their eyes everytime they see an envelope with my handwriting on it. LOL. I go to every function I can find that support the cause. Speaking out against animal cruelty is doing something as well. If stopping animal cruelty were as easy as going up and punching someone out, there would be no problem. It's not. You can't be everywhere. All you can do is work to change laws and heighten awareness, support your local aspca and help where and when you can.

forgotenmemory 04-21-2008 12:42 PM

Then you should be dead now, Childe, because when you drive, or when someone else drivs you, your killing insects, which are animals. Or when you walk on grass, your most likely stomping on a bug. Think the same?

yuujirou 04-21-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NightChilde25 (Post 467519)
I agree with Pumpum. If someone brutally kills an animal I think they should get the same punishment if it were a human they had killed. People that abuse animals sicken me. They have feelings too. If anyone thinks they are not feeling, thinking, creatures then they have not spent anytime with one. It has become a felony here to abuse an animal. I'm glad of that but I still think more should be done. Most serial killers start off by torturing and killing animals, so would it not make sense to stop these monsters before they move on to humans?

Forgottenmemory, I actually do my part to prevent this. I support the aspca and I've written to so many state officials on this matter that they probably roll their eyes everytime they see an envelope with my handwriting on it. LOL. I go to every function I can find that support the cause. Speaking out against animal cruelty is doing something as well. If stopping animal cruelty were as easy as going up and punching someone out, there would be no problem. It's not. You can't be everywhere. All you can do is work to change laws and heighten awareness, support your local aspca and help where and when you can.

wow.... x]
that's qiute admirable ._.''''

forgotenmemory 04-21-2008 01:25 PM

Indeed, admirable. ^^

AmbeRz 04-21-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by forgotenmemory (Post 467526)
Then you should be dead now, Childe, because when you drive, or when someone else drivs you, your killing insects, which are animals. Or when you walk on grass, your most likely stomping on a bug. Think the same?


But thats different. You cant help that. You can't stop yourself from stepping on ants xD But if you kill an animal on purpose, thats a different story.

forgotenmemory 04-21-2008 01:30 PM

Lol, true, true, but that can be helped. There is a religion, of some sort, that doesn't beleive in hurting for anything. They don't even step on grass. Now that amazing.

AmbeRz 04-21-2008 01:30 PM

Thats weird. Now if only humans could fly..:D

forgotenmemory 04-21-2008 01:33 PM

Planes. Lol. :D

Suki 04-21-2008 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 467414)
No - one is answering my question lol let me phrase it another way

If a 17 year old committed a murder for which he would receive capital punishment....................would YOU also agree that if he killed a cat......then he should also be executed ?

I do - i think that if a person murders a dog for example then they qualify for the death penalty.

Of course not. I don't even think it'd be right to execute a 17 year-old kid who has committed a murder. I don't support death penalty, besides I think that being locked in a cell for a lifetime is way worse than being killed. Murderers don't even deserve to be killed, they should be tortured until they begged to be killed, then give them a knive and let them take their life in their own hands.

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Originally Posted by forgotenmemory
Then you should be dead now, Childe, because when you drive, or when someone else drivs you, your killing insects, which are animals. Or when you walk on grass, your most likely stomping on a bug. Think the same?

Killing a dog isn't the same as killing an insect ¬¬'

forgotenmemory 04-21-2008 01:38 PM

Your just saying that becasue of your dog, Saskue, lol. >.>

nala 04-21-2008 01:58 PM

I agree...killing a dog isn't the same as killing an insect(which are always where you least expect them...). I mean, I would be devastated(?) if one of my dogs were to die or to see a cat, deer, or oppossum as roadkill...not so much as a though....I guess being a girl I wasn't born with such feelings for bugs....

pumpum 04-22-2008 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 467580)
Murderers don't even deserve to be killed, they should be tortured until they begged to be killed, then give them a knive and let them take their life in their own hands.
¬¬'


what im asking is - would you give that same punsihment to someone who muredered an animal for fun ?

Altaru 04-22-2008 02:41 AM

I would have to agree with Suki on the punishment, but as for the question you're asking, yes, they should be punished in the same way. Animal cruelty is not only sick, and wrong, and an outright disgusting way to get yourself off, but it's also quite often been seen as a pre-cursor to other violent crimes, like murder, rape, etc.

And, since I know they're out there, for people that enjoy the kind of pain that should be caused to them, I say we lock them up nice and tight in a dark, damp, cold, sound-proof little room, handcuffed to a pole or something, with only a few small intakes for air. Normal prison cells make them too well heard. If they knew noone was hearing their screams, I think it'd screw them up royally, since most are attention-whores anyway.

EveV 04-22-2008 03:06 AM

Humans are animals and on earth it's survival of the fittest.
It's not right for anyone to be hurting anyone. But it happens and that's life.
The best thing you can do is not hurt anyone yourself. Physically and emotionally. That way you're not contributing to the cycle.

ivi0nk3y 04-22-2008 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NightChilde25 (Post 467519)
I agree with Pumpum. If someone brutally kills an animal I think they should get the same punishment if it were a human they had killed. People that abuse animals sicken me. They have feelings too. If anyone thinks they are not feeling, thinking, creatures then they have not spent anytime with one. It has become a felony here to abuse an animal. I'm glad of that but I still think more should be done. Most serial killers start off by torturing and killing animals, so would it not make sense to stop these monsters before they move on to humans?

Lol, imprisoned cos you killed your cat by mistake? Manslaughter for killing animals?
Where would such laws end. Everything requires balance and you can't just see things in two-dimensional terms.
Yes its totally wrong to kill animals but only the sick pricks of society do so. The reason why they are sick pricks needs to be remedied. Adding to the prison population won't do Sweet F.A.
On top of that, resources are strained enough dealing with human crime, in cities anyway.
Such people should be punished and of course even imprisoned when they've been found guilty. Pumpum however is trying to be a bit too controversial here by saying that if the death penalty existed for killing humans, it should exist for killing animals too.
That is what I disagree with.

MMM 04-22-2008 05:01 AM

Don't you mean "catslaughter" not "manslaughter"?

;)

pumpum 04-22-2008 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y (Post 468764)
Pumpum however is trying to be a bit too controversial here by saying that if the death penalty existed for killing humans, it should exist for killing animals too.
That is what I disagree with.


That Is what i am saying - that actually human life and animal life are of the same value.

but you just made me think of something - if somebody killed a human by mistake - yeah that would be manslaughter but if a person killed their pet by mistake - would that be animal slaughter - i dunno where i stand on that one ! :eek:

ivi0nk3y 04-22-2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 468791)
Don't you mean "catslaughter" not "manslaughter"?

;)

Lol yea of course.. brain isn't so logical at 5am :p

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 468855)
That Is what i am saying - that actually human life and animal life are of the same value.

I disagree about that. Yes it's wrong to kill animals as i've said and I would never do it to get my Jollies off it. I don't think animal life is more important though.
Example. If you had to rescue your baby and a pet from a burning building and could only save one of them, who would you go for?


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