Bruce Lee
 

Do you think that the conspiracy theories are tru and he was murdered for giving martial arts secrets away to the americans ??

The guy had a head-ache. His friend game him an aspirin. Unfortunatel, there was a substance/chemical/whatever inside that pill that his body was allergic to, which is brains didn't like, so they sort of killed him. Huh. Imagine that. The legendary Bruce Lee, the man of the one-inch punch, the kick that feels like a juggernaut rnning you over, and the one-arm, two-finger push-ups... the one and only... killed by an aspirin.

man i never ever believed the one inch punch for a second !

The one-inch-punch is true, as seen by filming. Bruce Lee did have some unnatural strength, really. I know how he does it, theoretically, and it sounds highly plausible, considering the other things he can do (keep punching a punching bag. He punchesit up and up and up until he's almost punching up and he's still punching it to hold it up.) and his push/side kicks are sick. XD

Huh, the way you've described it, that is like a boxing punch not the way they are taught in Kung Fu. I'm trained to focus my energy in my arms when I punch so EVENTUALLY I can have the maximum strength available in the minimum distance. My Sifu can do it and make it look effortless. He did it semi hard to me once because I was punching wrong and it seemed like my intestines fell out my ass.
So yes, I believe it is possible.

As for 2 finger push ups, that isn't THAT amazing to me anymore, especially since I am currently training Eagle Claw pushups which require 2 fingers and a thumb. Of course my Sifu can use just his thumbs >.>

He'd been challenged numerous times throughout his career by random martial artist looking to gain some reputation by beating him. He'd never lost once, and there were almost always witnessess to validate these events.

I'm not in the mood to debate whether or not his methods (or teachings) were bullshit, but whatever he was doing, he must've been doing it right.

As for the conspiracies. I can't say I believe or don't believe them; I simply don't know.

It is possible that someone wanted him dead - I wouldn't have been the first time. And it is also possible that he died by accident.

Whatever the case, what's done is done. The rest are side-details; information after the fact.

thats an interesting point - i would have also thought mind power came into it - sort of like some extra chi power or something ?

Exactly. Its not like i'll just be able to do it by following the technique my Sifu does. I do know however that if anyone can do it then a long standing practitioner of Kung Fu could.
I can tell you this though, from doing what I do my arms feel much faster and lighter so I can sort of see how Bruce Lee did it.

Well i think he must have had all his time into his training to get as good as he did.

But the least i can remember is that the guy who taught him was a very popular guy and the guy who taught bruce, has a famous son that teaches in his place and writes about bruce getting trained by his father in a kung fu book instruction book .

He was the greatest of all R.I.P Lee Jun-Fan

You will be forever in our warrior's soul.

He trained two hours a day. 1 hour for Cardio exercises and 1 hour for weight/strength training.

wow that is all well he must have done a ton of reps then .

Well of course he already had his Kung Fu base so he just needed to maintain it :)

Take note of the muscles located at the base of the thumb and compare it to that of the bases of the first 2 fingers.
That thumb provides a significant amount of support in terms of finger push-ups. Take it away, and you're playing on an entirely new level of balance, strength, and endurance.

Also, keep in mind the change in the center-of-gravity. The longer the fingers, the higher the center-of-gravity -- and the more difficult it is to retain balance.

A man may be able to do Eagle Claw push-ups, but that doesn't necessarily mean he can do 2-Finger push-ups.

I'm not trying to degrade you. I'm simply pointing out the difference.

You're a martial artist. It's not surprising that you'd be less "AMAZED", because you should be more capable of understanding it for what it is.

Your understanding of what I said is bullshit Tenchu.
If you re-read, I said that it was to maintain the base he already had. I didn't say he got to where he was by training two hours a day.

I know the fingers have less potential in them on their own.
Also, I never said because someone did Eagle Claw pushups, they could do 2-finger ones as well. My point was to say that I can do them right now and will be able to do 2 finger pushups soon as well, without my thumbs :rolleyes: So as far as pushups go, 2-finger ones aren't that amazing to me, since I was replying to someone who quoted these pushups as being a reason why Bruce Lee was amazing.

I wasn't saying you said that. Don't misunderstand me. I was simply pointing out the difference.

What I was trying to say: You are less AMAZED by it maybe because you are also a martial artist; A practitioner of physical expression. A professional [anything] may seem more amazing to a mere spectator than to a fellow professional.

Understand what I'm trying to say?

If not, I'm sorry. And I'll just leave it at that.

Lol I understand, that's no problem. That was however my point but also the fact that anyone can do it with a little will power :D

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more than just a "little'' power, lolz

You are only as weak as you make yourself think you are ;)

martial arts are half mental, half physical >.>''

That really depends. Its like when i'm training and am at my limit, my mental takes over. Like to keep doing a certain pushup/take a punch to the stomach/kick to the shoulder, I have to go into my "zone" where I accept the pain as nothing significant.
Till then however, i'm almost 100% physical.

well theres a rumor going round that the chinese mafia loaded the gun that killed Brandon Lee.

Bruce Lee is probably my all time favourite Martial Artist. The Jeet Kune Do philosophy is very inspiring in my opinion. Not just in Martial Arts but spiritually speaking also.

Seriously... not everybody cares about the fighting.

For example my friend's Wushu teacher is amazing. She trained with Jet Li as a kid and is respected as a master by many top wushu practitioners throughout China. Her reputation as a master comes not from beating up people in a ring but via her speed, athleticism, skill and grace as a martial artist which she displays. Even at 50+ years old!

wow u know some chinese

kung fu ish hard work, or a skill obtained through hard work >.>'''

about the fighting thingg~~~
there are people who have achieved such a personal level of skill that they fear to fight, for both the safety of themselves and others. >.>'

personally, this one ish too scared to fight people ^_^
for the same reason stated above.
i'd much rather just run away than to risk hurting myself or the opponent~
(then again, there are those fights that you can't just run from...but then again, you don't have to "enjoy" such fights)

and meh~ martial arts isn't just for fighting. >.>'''
the system is based on the fighting arts, but there are usually philosophies involved with the art...usually peaceful ones x]

To answer your first statement about it being 99% mental. Yes initially, it is more mental when you think about it that way. The same rules apply to the gym or losing weight or any other activity which needs will power and determination to succeed. It doesn't apply solely to Kung Fu.
However, I don't need to be so determined anymore. It comes naturally.
So much so that if I even miss a class or haven't worked hard enough, I feel like crap cos I feel like i'm losing out big time.
Anyway, i'm talking about will power and determination in the actual training that you do. The technical side of it is more physical for me now since that is what i'm training. In "training" I can only use my mental once my physical peak is reached because that is when the mental most comes into play.

As for Bruce Lees training regime, that is what I have learned from his own biography as I said. If you disagree, then you'd have to give me another source. Anyway, I don't agree with training 6 hours a day. That is absolutely silly. Your body won't even have time to recover from your last training.
I'm talking about NEW training and pushing yourself every session, not doing the same amount of exercises that you're used to. If you're pushing yourself, there is no need to train 6 hours a day. Unless you're doing some hard-type qi-gong exercises which take an hour each when performed properly.. which even then would burn you out so hard you wouldn't be able to move.

Only some :)

Time has little matter. It's how effective your training is.

Bruce's philosophy when it came to fighting was basically to discard anything that was useless in martial arts and had the practitioner absorb nothing bt the useful parts. So there was no real fighting style, just effective fighting. And when possessing that skill, you go on about the rest of your life until the need to kick ass arises. Then you proceed to kick ass.

Fighting in a ring, I've noticed, is so different because it does away with much of the mentality. In a REAL fight, there is no time for mental preparations. No time to psyche yourself up; no time to warm yourself up. That initial surprse element is a huge factor, and in any daily life situation, it's often also a determining factor.

I think you mis-understand me and my "part-time" training. I train every day, whether that be direct Kung Fu or just going to the gym when there are no sessions. I also have a job and study and do a lot of other things at the same time but I do take training quite seriously. Don't assume to place me in a stereotype which you are familiar with.
I don't want to be like Bruce Lee but he is one of the inspirations for me acquiring strength. I wish he was still around so I could have seen more of his talents.

He's Chinese, I don't think he has that many other talents.

If I go along with that stereotype, there are so many other things the Chinese are good at :rolleyes:

I hope you know what I meant by "talent" ;)

But yeah, it's common consensus that it doesn't matter how good you are at something because there will always be a Chinese who is better than you at it.

Hmm well, I personally don't take those stereotypes too seriously, especially of certain "talents". :)

Well Bruce always sparred. He just didn't fight in the ring that much. The idea being that fighting in the ring makes you restricted to the rules of the particular sport you are competing in (Muay Thai, Boxing, Wrestling etc...).

Your know-it-all attitude failed now, I'm afraid. I have no karate teacher. Never had, either. I think Karate, as a fighting art, is stupid. It is true you can only absorb so much information at once, although this has nothing to do with honing your skills. You already know them making them better isn't absorbing more information, it's letting the knowledge grow within you. And yes, if you look at your body and muscles, you can't practise non-stop. You need your eight hours of sleep, you need t let your body rest during and after eating, you need to let those muscles rebuild, etc. This is why you sleep Tenchu, and have time to hang around JapanForum, play videogames, drink beer and eat pizza. I never said time doesn't matter, but it doesn't matter as much a being effective. Once you're effectiv, time is only how much willpower you have to keep on going, and how long before you feel you've had enough training. And these are all factor determined by your focus and determination, not time.



I see in competitions all the time where these guys sit around for X amount of time warming up in the locker rooms, and then they get to stand in front of their opponent and mentally preare to fight THAT individual before the fight begins. Very different from eating a sundae wearing jeans and a shirt, and then suddeny realizing you have to fight this guy who wants to stab you to death. Usually, half the fight is won before the fight.




You need to stop assuming so much, then.




Yes, being in a ring with rules does bloody restrict you, period. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a real fight is different from a competitive sports fight.




I think a Ninjutsu or Judo practitioner know plenty more grappling, throwing and locking techniques/principles than you do. Not counting the techniques that require your opponent wearing a Gi. So, just a question. When you practice, how often do you practice against a live target? After all, pads and wooden dolls don't fight back.




Funny, what happens when you're the one who ends up dead? The very concept of me willingly having a job where there is a 50-50 chance of me dying is just aburd. I'm expecting to live another 60 years, I wouldn't want to miss out 50 of those.


No. Whoever has the greatest skills is the best fighter. If AAA trains 10 hours a week and BBB trains 20 hours a week, but AAA's training is more efective and AAA's 10 hours serves AAA better than BBB's 20 hours serves BBB. Thus, AAA will beat BBB.


Tenchu, from what I've gathered, you're a serious Muay Thai practitioner. You want to fight, and you also think that tournament fighting is a good way to earn money, to support you so you can keep on fighting. The thing is, why are you practising Muay Thai? Why don't you just practice fighting, period? I know Muay Thai is very close to that, but why restrict yourself? Actively practicing everything makes everything easier. Sure you can gouge eyes, but can you swiftly and with accuracy do it? What about pressure points, grappling, ground fighting, etc.?

there are purists...
then there are mma >.>'''

this one ish purist though x]
preferring to stick to just shaolin ^_^

Nah, I think I can see your point. So any disagreements between us is basically only a matter of opinion, nothing else, I don't think we need to continue on that anymore. It's just that in the times when you're not the warrior in the field, you're human just like us. The rules of politeness still applies, and assuming you're better than anyone without any basis is ... well... usually not a good thing.

With that said, I think we should get back on topic. Bruce Lee.

I think his philosophy (Jeet Kune Do) is pretty spot-on. But he was a fairly cocky person himself - if you believe the stories told by people who have interacted with him. I am a strong believer of being humble, strong and fair.

Tenchu, just to make it clear... can you make yourself angry just like hat? I know I could psyche myself up in no time, but in a tournament fight, it's like, you shake hands before and after the fight (if able), and I can't fathom myself being angry at this person who hasn't done anything to me before. I could see myself, owever, feeling a determination to overcome the opponent.

As for the adaptation, I was smply asking because I wasn't sure. Glad to see you haven't narrowed yourself down to just Muay Thai. Not that I'm discrediting the sport, it's THE best sport to practice if you want to fight like the warriors did in the old das when they were unarmed. I personally wanted to start Muay Thai and went to a few training sessions but the trainer couldn't communicate (or even speak the language), and it all felt rather... lame. Plus my body physique wouldn't allow me to practice Muay Thai (I'm far too skinny, believe me).

Ah, I almost got an urge to start practicing a martial art again... it feels to good to knock some wood (and people). I just need to put on some weight.

Like I said... Bruce sparred realistically so you can rest assured that he trained a lot and trained for realism. Bruce jumping in the Muay Thai, Boxing or Karate ring would be silly because it WOULD restrict HIM. I don't think he despised or looked down on fighters that entered the ring either. In fact one of his favourite fighters was Muhammed Ali and much of his punching techniques come from boxing.

Also Bruce's philosophy on fighting was his legacy rather than his ability. Though Bruce's martial ability was amazing. I don't know why you can't accept that and stop with this "dick measuring" that you're doing at the moment.