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koikurasu 04-16-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SephirothVVC (Post 698530)
seriously?! no one knows why throwing something in the trash that is bio-degradable in a PLASTIC bag is STUPID?!!!!!!!!

i give up, just proves my point i guess

I lol'ed a 'lil, but yeah that is kinda goofy, to think an entire neighborhood wouldn't have enough common sense :rolleyes:

Debi 04-16-2009 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by koikurasu (Post 698893)
I lol'ed a 'lil, but yeah that is kinda goofy, to think an entire neighborhood wouldn't have enough common sense :rolleyes:

It's even more goofy to think an entire country doesn't have any common sense !

koikurasu 04-16-2009 04:15 PM

I can understand that Debi, I can't even begin to try and comprehend whats going on at the white house. :P All in all, I like the current Pres, I just don'y like that he's like a celebrity though. I think that the only reason he won was because all the famous people voted for him. But that's just me. ^_^

Debi 04-16-2009 04:57 PM

I'm Canadian and my opinion of Americans is as follow :

They are capable of the better like the worst.

They have 300 millions population so that would be stupid to generalize saying "Most americans are this or that"

They can have the most beautiful girls like they can have the ugliest fat ones

They have a puritain spirit but they also produce insane quantity of pornography.

They promote democracy but they willingly can destroy a democracy to place a friendly dictatorship

They have the best university with genious scholars but at the same time they have some incredibly stupid and ignorants citizens.

In overall, they are pretty arrogant. I guess it is the share of every country who would have so much power.

iPhantom 04-16-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 698907)
They can have the most beautiful girls like they can have the ugliest fat ones

Nah they don't have the best V.V

Debi 04-16-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 698908)
Nah they don't have the best V.V

still, you get the point.

Oh, and one last thing.

For those who say America is the best country to live into or whatever, I couldn't disagree more.

I'd prefer to live in smaller and more social countries like Switzerland, Norway or Luxembourg before USA.

alanX 04-16-2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 698907)
I'm Canadian and my opinion of Americans is as follow :

They are capable of the better like the worst.

They have 300 millions population so that would be stupid to generalize saying "Most americans are this or that"

They can have the most beautiful girls like they can have the ugliest fat ones

They have a puritain spirit but they also produce insane quantity of pornography.

They promote democracy but they willingly can destroy a democracy to place a friendly dictatorship

They have the best university with genious scholars but at the same time they have some incredibly stupid and ignorants citizens.

In overall, they are pretty arrogant. I guess it is the share of every country who would have so much power.

I could pretty much agree with all of this.

And, once again, I am American. So I know what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 698910)
still, you get the point.

Oh, and one last thing.

For those who say America is the best country to live into or whatever, I couldn't disagree more.

I'd prefer to live in smaller and more social countries like Switzerland, Norway or Luxembourg before USA.

Also couldn't agree more.

pumpum 04-16-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 698908)
Nah they don't have the best V.V

thats because there is no such thing !!

2 names for ya though ! -

Jessica Alba
Scarlett Johannsen

alanX 04-16-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 698916)
thats because there is no such thing !!

2 names for ya though ! -

Jessica Alba
Scarlett Johannsen

Jessica Alba is like...one of the hottest chicks in the world. But Scarlett Johansen???? Noooo.....she's a thumbs down.

This is so offtopic lol

Debi 04-16-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 698921)
Jessica Alba is like...one of the hottest chicks in the world. But Scarlett Johansen???? Noooo.....she's a thumbs down.

This is so offtopic lol





THUMBS DOWN ???????

SSJup81 04-16-2009 05:39 PM

I don't see how anyone can "hate America" who lives here. Go live in a third-world country or a country where you have close to no rights what-so-ever! I like this country fine, even though there are things this country should be criticized for and I'm quick to do it, but I still don't hate this place. I personally feel that this country in general needs to focus more on learning about other cultures and countries and find it odd how it's not emphasized more than what it is due to this country being a melting pot of many cultures and people. Education is another thing this country needs to be criticized for.
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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698848)
Exactly how do things "suck" in America right now?

The main thing "sucking" in America now is the economy, but that's not just limited to here, so I don't see how anyone could actually use the argument when the whole world is having its share of hardships currently. In other words, I agree with you.

Debi 04-16-2009 05:46 PM

Mass media as a weapon of propangada could also be criticized.

But there is a wide range of countries between USA and third-world country.
The argument "USA > third world country / so you can't hate them" is very discutable

pumpum 04-16-2009 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 698924)




THUMBS DOWN ???????

EXACTAMU****f*****GMUNDO !!!!!!!

are u crazy?? she would burn the hairs on your chest if she walked past shes that hot lol :D

MMM 04-16-2009 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by koikurasu (Post 698893)
I lol'ed a 'lil, but yeah that is kinda goofy, to think an entire neighborhood wouldn't have enough common sense :rolleyes:

Where I live we have Yard Debris recycle bins that are picked up regularly.

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Originally Posted by koikurasu (Post 698897)
I can understand that Debi, I can't even begin to try and comprehend whats going on at the white house. :P All in all, I like the current Pres, I just don'y like that he's like a celebrity though. I think that the only reason he won was because all the famous people voted for him. But that's just me. ^_^

You really think the only reason he won was because famous people voted for him? Seriously?

TalnSG 04-16-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698851)
Religion is merely a belief. It is people who give it voice and action. Too often religion is a tool used to oppress and control rather than as a means toward happiness, peace, or salvation.

God is not shooting people, nor is he telling them to blow themselves up and kill others to further his glory. So it's obviously the people who are at war, and so it is against those people we fight.

Not to argue with your point, but if you are going to define a term, define it correctly. Religion is a system of practices and beliefs. Faith is the belief, and there is often a vast difference in the two.

iPhantom 04-16-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 698916)
thats because there is no such thing !!

2 names for ya though ! -

Jessica Alba
Scarlett Johannsen

Olga Kurylenko is way hotter. However American women are more famous because they are in hollywood but trust me, Europe has lots of hot girls + they differ from nation to nation A LOT.

isisbathory 04-16-2009 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cridgit001 (Post 698881)
I own the world? Since when. I see no deed for it?

Maybe you don't, but some do, or at least they put that sort of thoughts in other people's mind.
Dont take me bad.
Its also a shame that because of some, the rest of a "nation" gets a bad image.

Debi 04-16-2009 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by isisbathory (Post 699000)
Maybe you don't, but some do, or at least they put that sort of thoughts in other people's mind.
Dont take me bad.
Its also a shame that because of some, the rest of a "nation" gets a bad image.

What you can commonly hear if arguing with an american about war in Iraq :

"we are so strong, we could beat the s*** out of anyone in the world, Russia, China and all those f*** doesnt stand a chance in front of our army. If they live it's because we let them live. blablabla, american rocks, chinese sucks, blablabla"

isisbathory 04-16-2009 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 699002)
What you can commonly hear if arguing with an american about war in Iraq :

"we are so strong, we could beat the s*** out of anyone in the world, Russia, China and all those f*** doesnt stand a chance in front of our army. If they live it's because we let them live. blablabla, american rocks, chinese sucks, blablabla"

I dont live in the middle of americans, so I cant say if they all speak like that, but the truth is that, some do.
And I actually think that, if one day russians really get fed up, then we will see the "strong americans", I am not russian or anything, but from what I've been "seeing", they are the kind of people with who I wouldnt like to mess up at all...

Debi 04-16-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by isisbathory (Post 699008)
I dont live in the middle of americans, so I cant say if they all speak like that, but the truth is that, some do.
And I actually think that, if one day russians really get fed up, then we will see the "strong americans", I am not russian or anything, but from what I've been "seeing", they are the kind of people with who I wouldnt like to mess up at all...

Who is stronger than who is pretty irrelevant.
What I wanted to point out is, you will rarely hear any modesty from the americans.

I doubt you will ever hear an american say : "Oh you know.. we are not all that powerful.. it's pretty much overrated" or whatever.

They all know they are strong, they are not modest about it.

I guess it is one of the few generality we can say about americans : Not modest.

isisbathory 04-16-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 699018)
Who is stronger than who is pretty irrelevant.
What I wanted to point out is, you will rarely hear any modesty from the americans.

I doubt you will ever hear an american say : "Oh you know.. we are not all that powerful.. it's pretty much overrated" or whatever.

They all know they are strong, they are not modest about it.

I guess it is one of the few generality we can say about americans : Not modest.

Oh yes I get your opinion, and yes you are right.
But I also think that they actually are "so strong" because of so many nerds from other countries like china, japan, portugal, or what ever, as they dont get recognised in their own countries they go to america, and americans want those nerds, because they give (or seem to give) the so much needed power...

thcuteness 04-16-2009 10:02 PM

Im sorry but americans do tend to make themselve look stupid and lazy, I moved here from japan about two years ago, and the first thing I though was "what a bunch of morons"

MMM 04-16-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 699002)
What you can commonly hear if arguing with an american about war in Iraq :

"we are so strong, we could beat the s*** out of anyone in the world, Russia, China and all those f*** doesnt stand a chance in front of our army. If they live it's because we let them live. blablabla, american rocks, chinese sucks, blablabla"

The only Americans I hear talk like this are junior high and high school boys.

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 699018)
Who is stronger than who is pretty irrelevant.
What I wanted to point out is, you will rarely hear any modesty from the americans.

I doubt you will ever hear an american say : "Oh you know.. we are not all that powerful.. it's pretty much overrated" or whatever.

They all know they are strong, they are not modest about it.

I guess it is one of the few generality we can say about americans : Not modest.

I think you are confusing America as a country and Americans as individuals.

If you want to say America the country is not modest with its power, fine. But if you mean individual American people are not modest, I don't think there is as much basis for that.

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Originally Posted by thcuteness (Post 699057)
Im sorry but americans do tend to make themselve look stupid and lazy, I moved here from japan about two years ago, and the first thing I though was "what a bunch of morons"

What possible basis could you make such an inane statement like that on? Look at the work week and vacation times compared with Europe, for one.

And if you actually moved to the US from Japan and your reaction was "what a bunch of morons", please feel free to pack up your stuff and take the next plane "home".

Debi 04-16-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thcuteness (Post 699057)
Im sorry but americans do tend to make themselve look stupid and lazy, I moved here from japan about two years ago, and the first thing I though was "what a bunch of morons"

when I went in Japan I thought "What a bunch of stuck up"

fair enough.

rison 04-16-2009 10:15 PM

^^^^

They find that people just think almost aloud like "what? you Americans, how lucky you are"...then the head swell comes in.

Debi 04-16-2009 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 699060)
The only Americans I hear talk like this are junior high and high school boys.



I think you are confusing America as a country and Americans as individuals.

If you want to say America the country is not modest with its power, fine. But if you mean individual American people are not modest, I don't think there is as much basis for that.

You will VERY often hear americans say "I'm proud to be american" for whatever reasons. So no, I'm really talking about americans being the opposite of modest.

rison 04-16-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 699060)
The only Americans I hear talk like this are junior high and high school boys.



I think you are confusing America as a country and Americans as individuals.

If you want to say America the country is not modest with its power, fine. But if you mean individual American people are not modest, I don't think there is as much basis for that.



What possible basis could you make such an inane statement like that on? Look at the work week and vacation times compared with Europe, for one.

And if you actually moved to the US from Japan and your reaction was "what a bunch of morons", please feel free to pack up your stuff and take the next plane "home".


Adults also do talk like that maybe only in an educated way or when drunk.

MMM 04-16-2009 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Debi (Post 699065)
You will VERY often hear americans say "I'm proud to be american" for whatever reasons. So no, I'm really talking about americans being the opposite of modest.

How does being proud of being American make you not modest or even arrogant?

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Originally Posted by rison (Post 699066)
Adults also do talk like that maybe only in an educated way or when drunk.

Not the adults I hang around with. None of them.

minimin 04-16-2009 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thcuteness (Post 699057)
Im sorry but americans do tend to make themselve look stupid and lazy, I moved here from japan about two years ago, and the first thing I though was "what a bunch of morons"

Yeah if you hate Americans sooo much, whats the point of still being here. How do they make themselves look lazy, there are lazy, stupid people all over the world. Are you basing your opinions of ALL Americans based on the few you've seen??

komitsuki 04-16-2009 10:34 PM

What's wrong with Americans? Collectively nothing.

Now we need to ask: What in the world is wrong with American politicians, CEOs, hot shot lawyers and high-profile governmental figures who are degrading America?

Most of the times, American bigwigs are offending the average non-American people around the world.

alanX 04-16-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 699060)
And if you actually moved to the US from Japan and your reaction was "what a bunch of morons", please feel free to pack up your stuff and take the next plane "home".

Not trying to seem like I'm riding MMM's you know what....but...:



Also, back when I had absolutely no interest in any other country, I used to think that America was like the top dog. Like it was the best country on Earth. But now I've looked into many other nations, and I now realize how pathetic it is.

rison 04-16-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 699067)
How does being proud of being American make you not modest or even arrogant?



Not the adults I hang around with. None of them.

The unreasonable fascist.I have actually met a couple of them online. The push behind their rants is simple "I'm proud to be an American".

MMM 04-16-2009 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rison (Post 699075)
The unreasonable fascist.I have actually met a couple of them online. The push behind their rants is simple "I'm proud to be an American".

Ranting may be arrogant, but being proud of your country isn't arrogant.

minimin 04-17-2009 12:12 AM

I could care less about peoples hating America and its Arrogance..

But today Obama did something so politically and ethically wrong, he ruled out prosecution for CIA torture authorized by Bush. dumb, its like saying torture is okay

I think our problem is sometime we do think we are above other nations, we should prosecute these individuals who commited a crime.

MMM 04-17-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by minimin (Post 699124)
I could care less about peoples hating America and its Arrogance..

But today Obama did something so politically and ethically wrong, he ruled out prosecution for CIA torture authorized by Bush. dumb, its like saying torture is okay

I think our problem is sometime we do think we are above other nations, we should prosecute these individuals who commited a crime.

I agree with your feelings about this, but there is reasoning behind it. When the previous president gives assures you that your activities are legal and right, it is hard to prosecute the soldiers (who are still serving). I think the prosecution needs to be directed higher up.

cridgit001 04-17-2009 12:19 AM

What law did they break? Doing what the president told them?

(I don't advocate torture by any means, just had a debate about it in government actually, but I'm being devil's advocate)

minimin 04-17-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 699126)
I agree with your feelings about this, but there is reasoning behind it. When the previous president gives assures you that your activities are legal and right, it is hard to prosecute the soldiers (who are still serving). I think the prosecution needs to be directed higher up.

I think so to, we cant let this be okay, because imagine how we'd feel if our troops or regular citizens were tortured. We'd be up in arms. I really do feel that someone needs to be punished for this. Unfortunately, I dont think this might happen.

Cridgit001: Its still illegal to torture, and should be punishable by law, I couldnt state the law here, but someone should be held responsible for the torture that went on under the Bush administration. If not its an injustice to America it self.

Sangetsu 04-17-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 698864)
Using your logic one could conclude that the West is also fighting a war against Christianity too.

The only country which really has such a fundamentalist Islamic society in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia.. and ironically it's the United States best friend in the region alongside Israel. Even Iran has a thriving Jewish minority believe it or not. (Seriously switch off FOX news)

I don't get Fox News in Japan.

Fundamentalist Muslims have no country, they live everywhere. They have killed in the usual places, like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan, but they have also killed in India, Indonesia, Sudan, Kenya, Russia, the Philippines, Sudan, Spain, England, and the US. They would killed in other places as well, and they would kill many more if they had the means.

Is Iran's Jewish community really thriving? They are considered "Dhimmies", and enjoy no civil rights. They are not allowed to build new synagogues, they are not allowed to vote. They are not allowed to speak, pray, or hold hands in public. They are outsiders and serfs, and are only allowed to exist if they accept these conditions and pay a heavy tax to the government. The penalty for disobeying any of these prohibitions is death. They are not thriving, they are merely enduring, as they always have.

Kadauz 04-17-2009 12:42 AM

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What's wrong with Americans?
With the Americans all in the order. !
Not all in the order with governments (politics)...

Sangetsu 04-17-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by minimin (Post 699124)
I could care less about peoples hating America and its Arrogance..

But today Obama did something so politically and ethically wrong, he ruled out prosecution for CIA torture authorized by Bush. dumb, its like saying torture is okay

I think our problem is sometime we do think we are above other nations, we should prosecute these individuals who commited a crime.

Is torture not okay? Exactly what do you define as torture? Waterboarding? Being kept awake for days? Being forced to listen to Britney Spears or Boy George for hours on end? All of these methods are used, and though they are unpleasant, none leave scars, or are life threatening. As a matter of fact, many US soldiers must endure these "tortures" in training, and other methods which are worse. Air Force survival instructors often have their fingernails pulled out in simulated torture, and this is just in training. It hurts, to be sure, but it doesn't kill or cripple.

Saddam was not shy about torture. He didn't mind having someone stand on the edge of a tall building and threaten to push them off if they didn't talk, and he tended to push, whether he got the information or not. He also liked to use things like sulfuric acid, electrical shocks, and even a large wood chipper which he used to shred his victims with. The lucky ones were fed into the machine head-first. The unlucky ones went in feet-first.

Obama couldn't prosecute, even if he wanted to. If he said he did, it was just political rhetoric. If Bush wrote down his intentions about interrogations, and said that they were okay, then they are. The war on terror was authorized by congress, giving the president the ability to make "findings", and these "findings" become law, which makes actions committed in their name legal. Congress can change or reverse these findings/laws later on, but the president would still be immune from prosecution, if you know anything about the article of ex post facto.

If Obama had decided to prosecute, he would never have succeeded, and, on the slim chance he did, he would have opened the door against future prosecutions against himself if he were take similar actions himself (which may be likely), not to mention reducing the ability of future presidents to make quick decisions in a crisis without having to call a special session of congress.


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