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BrickBeat 04-28-2009 01:15 PM
I like both Ninja and Samurai, both have a unique style. But i think shaolin Monks beat them all XP

kMal 04-28-2009 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 705842)
The Turks are a proud people????

How do you explain the occupation of Cyprus and the Armenian genocide???
May I point out that that has nothing to do with my pride? Cyprus is partially ours and I wasnt alive in the time of the Ottoman empire. I am not of Ottoman descent Ronin4hire. My father is a Central Asian Turk (Turkic/Turkmen) and my mother is a nomad from that area also. What about the pride of:

- Americans (ultra capitalism, native-american issues, Iraq/Afghanistan, Vietnam)
- Germans (WWII)
- Dutch (Indonesia)
- Indonesians (Maluku)
- and many others?

Can't they be proud? :) I thought so..

Ronin4hire 04-28-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kMal (Post 705889)
May I point out that that has nothing to do with my pride? Cyprus is partially ours and I wasnt alive in the time of the Ottoman empire. I am not of Ottoman descent Ronin4hire. My father is a Central Asian Turk (Turkic/Turkmen) and my mother is a nomad from that area also. What about the pride of:

- Americans (ultra capitalism, native-american issues, Iraq/Afghanistan, Vietnam)
- Germans (WWII)
- Dutch (Indonesia)
- Indonesians (Maluku)
- and many others?

Can't they be proud? :) I thought so..
No they can't be proud in my opinion.

kMal 04-28-2009 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 705893)
No they can't be proud in my opinion.
I am not talking about being proud of those issues, I'm talking about being proud despite those past/present problems. But if that is how you see this, so be it! :p

On-topic
Samurai are more noble than ninja's!

Yuusuke 04-28-2009 01:58 PM
Ninja seems cool.

Hotaru100 04-28-2009 03:19 PM
Again !
 
Wow you people start it again :confused:

That was my Forum Before !
Old members know that...

Hyakushi 04-28-2009 05:10 PM
Hmmmm I would most likely be classified as a shinobi more than a Samurai, I don't fight fair (or so people say, I say there are no rules in a fight if I really want to kill maybe in a play fight.). I'm not going to follow a path just because I will be disgraced following another. The only thing valent about a samurai was there honor and sense of pureness but to me they are following the saying "Ignorance is bliss".

rison 04-29-2009 07:31 AM
^^^
Because of their knowledge they got involve in politics which was a derail from been warriors then eventually got power hungry and caused heavy Feudal wars causing innocent civilians to die.

Ronin4hire 04-29-2009 08:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 706509)
Then what is a virtue if it is not something that is an alone attribute?

Anyway, what does that matter? Are you saying Samurai were in every way appauling?
What does the nature of virtue's have to do with my disagreeing that unquestioning faith, loyalty and selflessness as virtues?

And no I don't think that Samurai were appalling... but I don't think they were exceptionally righteous either.

komitsuki 04-29-2009 09:06 AM
Even today we don't know much about ninja because of the secretive history.

As for samurai, we have to distinguish pre-Edo samurai and Edo samurai.

Samurai class of the Edo military governance was more of scholar-politician oriented role, not 100% warriors that we know in the entertainment aspects.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 706653)
And no I don't think that Samurai were appalling... but I don't think they were exceptionally righteous either.
Only righteous in the Confucian and Zen Buddhist (Rinzai or Soto) contexts and point of views,


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