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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 726633)

No. No questions about it. Nor would I die to save my children.
Yes I`m a terrible and cold person - please don`t feel the need to point it out.

We aren't judging you. If you're a cold and terrible person, so am I. I wouldn't die for my parents. Perhaps my kids, but not my parents.

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No, that isn`t what I meant. My logic is that you can make another child while you cannot make another grandparent or parent. That combined with the likely reflex of simply not wanting to see someone be killed in front of me while I just stood there.

That's a fair point. So, there are more than one logical choice that leans either way. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll make sure to think about that.

Why not save both of them instead of wasting time thinking how to save just the one? :)

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Originally Posted by Jok3r (Post 726637)

Why not save both of them instead of wasting time thinking how to save just the one? :)

And waste more time trying to save both?

If you save one then you would have guilt from not saving the other...right?

I have a feeling no one can say with any certainty what they would do or wouldn't do unless the situation was presented in front of them in real time and in real life.

We like to think we can separate ourselves from our moral fibers, and it's easy to say what we would do on paper, but you really can't know for sure until after it has happened.

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 726639)

And waste more time trying to save both?

As long as you tried your best, i guess its the thought that counts... :)

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 726643)

I have a feeling no one can say with any certainty what they would do or wouldn't do unless the situation was presented in front of them in real time and in real life.

We like to think we can separate ourselves from our moral fibers, and it's easy to say what we would do on paper, but you really can't know for sure until after it has happened.

Ofcourse. But many things in life, we still like to discuss it.

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As long as you tried your best, i guess its the thought that counts...

If you can't achieve saving someone, there's no point in trying. In my view.

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 726635)

We aren't judging you. If you're a cold and terrible person, so am I. I wouldn't die for my parents. Perhaps my kids, but not my parents.

Well, in my case I`d be more likely to die for a random person on the street than my parents, but I am guessing that is irrelevant. Even if my parents were the most loving and wonderful people - I still wouldn`t sacrifice my own life for them. There simply isn`t enough merit in it for me even if it were my child. Die knowing they`d live on? Even if I love them to death, it wouldn`t matter as I would be dead.

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That's a fair point. So, there are more than one logical choice that leans either way. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll make sure to think about that.

I think that in such a situation, or a similar one in real life - reflex would rule all. The chance you`re going to weigh logic against emotion is very very low.
At least I can say I`m pretty sure that is the case for me. If I could reach out and save someone, reflex is going to likely push me to do so - regardless of the effect that person`s survival will have on others and the future.

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Then again - now with a bit of thought - in such a situation I figure I`d be calm enough to think it out. I`ve done the "self or child" bit, and had no hesitation about choosing myself over child... And felt pretty devoid of emotion at the time.

I kinda like it when a lot of people die.

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 726647)

Well, in my case I`d be more likely to die for a random person on the street than my parents, but I am guessing that is irrelevant. Even if my parents were the most loving and wonderful people - I still wouldn`t sacrifice my own life for them. There simply isn`t enough merit in it for me even if it were my child. Die knowing they`d live on? Even if I love them to death, it wouldn`t matter as I would be dead.

You see, my view on this one is that my parents have always told me "If you ever died, we would kill ourselves. Because we live for you". Now, regardless if that's true or not, that's a different matter. But, if I kill myself saving them, then they'll just kill themselves anyways, and I'd have died in vain.

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I think that in such a situation, or a similar one in real life - reflex would rule all. The chance you`re going to weigh logic against emotion is very very low.
At least I can say I`m pretty sure that is the case for me. If I could reach out and save someone, reflex is going to likely push me to do so - regardless of the effect that person`s survival will have on others and the future.

ETA;
Then again - now with a bit of thought - in such a situation I figure I`d be calm enough to think it out. I`ve done the "self or child" bit, and had no hesitation about choosing myself over child... And felt pretty devoid of emotion at the time.

I've had an experience where I had to make a decision, a life taking/saving one, and it's unbelievable how time seems to slow down at that point, causing you to be able to think it through.

If someone's ever been on the edge of dieing before, they'd (most probably) understand what I mean. Time seems to slow down.