This is where people struggle to understand. If dirt comes from coal fire, the coal fire does NOT create it. It's just a chemical reaction. In other words, plain transformation. All chemical reactions have the same law "Nothing is destroyed, nothing is created, everything is transformed".

Think of anything and you'll discover that nothing has been created as far as we know. All the chemical substances have existed. Now new element has been created.

Also, Big Bang is said to be the reason of this universe, there might have been other universe before. Or maybe before the Big Bang, there was emptiness, which is not the same as nothingness. Anyway, we can't even make 100% emptiness, vacuums are not perfect, so it's pure speculation.

Also, based on what you're saying it's becoming very hard to believe God exist. If he doesn't exist in any dimension or anything that we are in now, where does he exist?

If Big Bang created us, can it be counted as God?

What do you think I'm stupid? That's what I meant. Yes, it's the transformation. Whatever; point is, each transformation turns it into a new product that is a biproduct of the last event. You can trace them back.

The big bounce is the same as the big bang. There still has to be a point somewhere where it started.

Time and space can be taken away (or, in your view, taken away to be recycled, but it still is an end to existence as we know it). They are physical things. Try and shove that brick through your ear and you should understand.

Upon taking them away, that matter that continuously recycles in the physical world transforms into something else. I'm not arrogant enough to guess what, exactley, but.

It's up to you to use your brain that at some point in time, there was no time. If you think eternity stretches in both directions, that's up to you, but it makes you just another believer, same as religous folk.

We're unable to answer that. We're not smart enough. Our brains were made to cut wood, carry water, not mentally reconstruct the most pure manner of existence that's ever existed. We've about us much chance of figuring this answer out as a buffalo does.

Well, if there was a state where there was no time and space, thus no eternity for things to be recycled in, then when the first big bang occured, it must have been triggered by something.

I mean, shit don't just magically explode one day; bombs have detonators or timers, "God".

Don't get me wrong, I think these religous nuts are as crazy as Ronin is, just like you. But I'm trying to show you there may be elements that are beyond your understanding, and it's foolish to be so damn conclusive.

I view the thing that triggered the big bang to just be another elemental thing, rather than a concious being. I mean, conciousness requires time in order to plot and be self aware in. This is unrealistic thing to think about God (which should replace your question "Who created God?" with "Who created the time that God sat in in order to think about creating time?" See? Religous folk are dumb, but not much more than you). He could be no more concious than fire or water. At the same time, there's really little we do know about it; however, to simply assume no spiritual element at all is involved is also arrogance.

Can I ask you a question; what's the difference between you and your computer? I mean, we could programme a computer to constantly ponder it's an individual, but you know it wouldn't be the same, would it? There's an element inside you beyond a simple mental trigger to say you're an individual; there's something that makes your conciousness more valid than a robot would ever be. What is it?

'they view'
the mistake is from you and 'the people',since you didnt read about prophet muhammed,dont talk 'bout em,especially that your view is a bit narrow,that you barely know a thing or two 'bout prophet muhammed.
in arabic,thats called المذاهب
our prophet even spoke 'bout it that there will be 70 or 73 beleifs,69 or 72 will go to hell,one will go to heaven.
and those beleifs none follows it except ignorants and ones who looks for their benefits
and all of the muslims knows 'bout those beleifs,and they know that the only right beleif is al sunnah wal jama'aah's beleif,unlike the other ones that it would need a whole book to talk about.
and none got a new version of quran by the way,quran is one only and it wont change,in saudi arabia theyre working on printing a translated quran for muslims in europe n america n africa,cuz of the fail tries to fake out quran:)

Anti-semitic is pretty much being anti-Jewish.

Antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And anti-Arabic.

well, ok......

Actually, I've read parts of the Qur'an, it just isn't for me. I'm too independant to do half that stuff.

I suppose it can be confuseing for all sides sometimes, after all Christians worship Christ because they believe he's the Son of God. Muslims aren't into that. It becomes difficult to hold conversations, simply because nobody from any side, really believes anything anyone else from any other side is saying anyway.

Consider this. If person A believes the Color Red is God, person B believes the color Blue is God, and person C believes the color Green is God. How could any of them talk to each other about said colors? They allready have thier personal notion of what color God is, and the other colors don't matter.

However, does earth consist of one color? Does space? Do humans?

You used that as an argument against my post about the creator.

What do you think I'm stupid? That's what I meant. And no, religious folks have a book to back them up... to build up my theory I base on science. Whether you can see the difference is up to you.

Yet we're smart enough to say such an entity exists?

Using 'you're dumb' too much won't make your point more valid. You're actually comparing Big Bang to a detonator o.O! Worse, you say that God didn't exist in this dimension so he doesn't need to be created. Following your logic everything that was before this dimension doesn't need a creator (unless you now add a new rule that only God is an exception which is what religious folks do and it's completely illogical) for Big Bang, it was the reason this dimension was created, but it wasn't in it in the start. Why this one needs a creator?

I don't get why you brought this up.

well....I will tell you that there is one God and I will prove:
for example:
if there are three presidents for one country ...I don't think that this country will be alive for one week...and then it will die...because every president want a thing and manage what he want....and one day they will fight and do more of that.....
if you see....there's no country have two president ..all countrys in the world have one president ..the same thing happened to world......there's one God for this world and for this space
in your example....I think there's one Real color and the others are not real and illusion ....
sorry but I am very busy...I would to explain more...