Okay. That's your opinion. Does that mean it's all right? Does that mean it's acceptable?

Also, do you think that children will discriminate against something outside their own gene pool, or do you think it's something that's taught from generation to generation?

Racism is not genetic or biological. It is taught.

Why wouldn't you ban someone for using "white trash"?

If that's really a double standard that you've seen, then maybe you - as a mod - can start to look at how you've reacted to those double standards. Maybe the next time you see someone use "white trash" you can ban them, because that's also a derogatory term.

Hell, you could even start with me if you wanted. (I actually feel really bad now for using that word just to make a point in a thread.)

Of course it's taught from generation to generation... You can't evolve without passing information.

It's not just "my opinion". Honestly, there's no denying evolutionary racism.

"The survival of the fittest", though overtly wrong, is part of human nature.

I think words have levels. "white trash" is not offensive to me in any way.

No one I have seen has used the term (before today) so I have never had to think about it.

Some words are more offensive than others. Maybe you want to call that a "double standard" but I have banned people for using profanity to insult someone, but not for words like "dumb". Different words have different levels.

So, you believe that there are certain races that are naturally more capable of survival - based on their race alone? You believe that there are races that are more evolved than other races?

If so, which race do you think is the most evolved and "most fit"?

Wow. Where did you read that in what he said?

But isn't that just your opinion? What if there's someone who is offended by being called "white trash"? What if there's a white man or woman on this forum that grew up as an outcast because they were white? Would you still think that, because you don't find it offensive, it doesn't matter?

There are words that are more offensive than others. That's something I've learned. At the same time, it also depends on the person. You might not find "white trash" offensive, but there are people who do.

I'm really starting to wonder what the point of this thread is.....

He said, "There's no denying evolutionary racism." That's a philosophy by Charles Darwin stating that there are races more evolved than other races.

Unless I misunderstood burkhartdesu, and he was simply saying that the philosophy exists - not that he believes in it. Or maybe he meant something else. I don't know.

Don't you know? This thread is going to end racism worldwide!

I never once said any race was superior...

Do people not reproduce, albeit subconsciously, based on race?


According to their environment, yes.

I'm surprised it hasn't been closed yet.

Of course it's my opinion.

And to quote you, "Has that actually happened, or are you speculating again?" I am not going to worry about the possibility of a white person who grew up as an outcast being offended by a word that has never been used here before today. When that person comes she can make her feelings known to me and we will work it out then.

Somebody must have thought I am reasonable and sensible enough to make these kinds of decisions, or I wouldn't be a mod.

I was referring to the usage of the word and racial slurs (which is what this thread is about) , hate crimes/discrimination is something else.
I don't consider hate crimes any different than any other type of murder.
As for discrimination , it really doesnt exist anymore , and if it does you can always sue.

edir: sorry about the fail quoting , I cant seem to delete the post.

Your response sounded like race baiting to me.

I was referring to the usage of the word and racial slurs (which is what this thread is about) , hate crimes/discrimination is something else.
I don't consider hate crimes any different than any other type of murder.
As for discrimination , it really doesnt exist anymore , and if it does you can always sue.[/quote]

I like that. Hate crimes aren't any different from murder.

There is discrimination, though. For example, Henry Louis Gates Jr., a black prestigious Harvard professor, was recently arrested for being inside of his own home. There were children at a pool in Pennsylvania who were people of color, and who were asked to leave because they "changed the complexion" of the pool. There were also reports of other little white children asking their parents, "Mommy, why are there black people here?"

It's true that people can sue, but what if the jury also discriminates?

There's a Difference.
 

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "race baiting." Is it kind of like, "You're trying to get a racist reaction"? Because if so, I can't pull racism out of people unless it actually exists first.

You're right, I was speculating. I'm not questioning you as a mod. I'm not trying to say you don't deserve to be one. Sure, we've had our problems in the past, but you obviously play an important role in this online community. I am suggesting, though, that words like "white trash" be taken seriously. You say that it hasn't happened before today, which is good. But what if someone were to use "white trash" and no one came to you? It's possible that someone could be too afraid to say anything, especially after seeing some of the flames on this thread as a reaction to people conscious of racism. Yeah, I know that's speculation again - but I'm just saying, it may happen. That's something to be taken seriously.

burkhartdesu: Thank God. It'd be pretty scary if you actually believed that. But, which races do you think are more capable of survival, and according to which environment? Why?

No, I'm not trying to "pull the racism out of you" because - hopefully - it doesn't exist. I just want to understand what your opinion is.

Good point.

Important point.

Do you want to elaborate?

whose post were you replying to?

I'll try to fix it, again. (ah, nm. I found it)

One's a river?

Stuff like what the children said , are exactly what I laugh off. They're just kids , I dont always think its the parents fault either , maybe the kid never actually saw a black person in his neighborhood. Whatever it is , children spout bullshit all the time , and it's in their right lol.
And also , shit always happens , I just dont take it seriously, its no genocide.

They're just kids, and a reflection of the pool's "standards." A child of color, as a result, asked his mother, "Am I too dark to be here?" It's not something the 60-odd children could laugh off. They were hurt.

What do you think of the experiment with little black children who are given dolls - one black, one white - and who are asked, "Which do you think is prettier?" The result of the two experiments - one back in the 1960s, the other in a more recent time - shows a tragic mindset of the black children, as they pick the white doll. Is that something to be laughed off?

Racism leads to genocides. Think of the Sunday school children who were killed in a bombing, simply because they were black.

The Holocaust.

Darfur.

There are ethnic battles in China still today, ethic battles in which people are killed. Thankfully, in the USA - except for the various scatters of attacks - there isn't as much physical violence as there was once. These days, people in the USA are more focused on self-esteem and subtle racism. Racism needs to be smothered completely. If ignored and allowed to rise to the level it once was, then it WILL return to genocide.

Oh please, NO. That was not an act of racism. Don't go there.

Gates is an example of crying Wolf when there was none. And another favorite of mine, Spike Lee.

I sincerely hope you do not support affirmative action.
Racism is a human flaw. Just as some white people may be racist, so can African Americans.

Not everyone is as sensitive as you.

Now if a population of pale-skinned people were dropped into tribal Africa -- how do think they would fare?

If they did survive, they would eventually (after thousands of years) start looking like Africans.



Your posts towards me were rather hostile, and you were "trying to pull the racist out of me"...

And yes, racism (in the general sense) does exist in me... As well as in you, and EVERYBODY.

mercedesjin - Think about this..whites were slaves first you know...

Why don't you think what happened to Henry Louis Gates Jr. was racist? Why do you think Spike Lee cried wolf?

I know that racism exists. The only racism I saw, before I was 18, was racism against whites. I could have taken the philosophy that it was all right, that it didn't matter, that racism should be ignored.

I didn't, simply because it's wrong.

One does happen to be a river,
 

Then Africans took their own people as slaves and sold them to whites.
Blacks betrayed blacks.

Whites didn't just happen to go to Africa and say "all you afrikanz are belong to us!"

Some people need to catch up on some history.

You mean, they'd start looking like dark-skinned Africans. There are pale-skinned people living in Africa. :) That does make sense, though. I understand and agree with that.

Yeah, I was pretty hostile to you when I thought that you believed some races are more evolved than others. I hadn't realized my hostility came out, though. Sorry. Now that I know you didn't think that way, I'm not being hostile anymore, am I?

You're absolutely right. Internalized racism is something everyone suffers from. What I want for myself is to be aware of it. When I see a white person, I don't want my automatic thought to be, "That person is racist." (That's just one example I'm comfortable enough to admit to. Believe me, there are many more.)

Unfortunately, because I was conditioned in this society, that IS a feeling that I have. I wasn't even aware of it until last year, when I had a discussion about racism and internalized racism. It's wrong. It's disgusting. It's something that used to be in my subconscious. It's something that I am so glad I'm aware of now.

I think that people should be aware of their subconscious beliefs and attitudes towards others. It's these subconscious thoughts that control how we act and think consciously. Why shouldn't we be aware of the fact that we're subconsciously racist, and why shouldn't we do something about it?

Awareness is key. :vsign:





(Despite popular opinion, I appreciate your offensive and thought provoking posts, mercedesjin)

Okay, but you know where "nigga" comes from, right?

It dosen't matter
She wont listen to anything.
I say we E-bully her


HEY OP! YOU SUCK, YOU KNOW THAT?

So true. And Italians and Irish weren't even considered white, a few decades ago. They were attacked and insulted because they were immigrants and not considered "Americans." White people have had their fair share of history too, of course. Everyone has had a history of pain and suffering.

But, it's interesting, isn't it? Italians and Irish were accepted into the "white" population so that white people could have more people on their side against people of color. Isn't that kind of funny, how one group of people can be considered another race? In Brazil, it's not as simple as "black" and "white." I wouldn't be considered the same race as my mother if we lived there, because she has a lighter shade of skin than me.

Sorry for the random trivia. I just think it's interesting. :)

alanX: It's true and sad. I don't know if this is really about who is to blame, though. I'm not saying that black people are to blame for suffering and pain. I'm not saying that white people are to blame for suffering and pain. All I'm saying is that it happened, and that we're still healing.

burkhartdesu: That gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside. :rheart:

Now, you say "we're" like every single black person on the face of the planet is still butthurt about it like you are.
Not true at all. Get Over It

ah, now, that's not a good idea.

Twas' a joke.

well, I sure hope so.

but even then...

Because it wasn't. The police officer who arrested Gates was reported to have taught a class on racial profiling.

All Gates had to do was show his I.D. to the cop. Fairly simple. Or he is above such actions? Being a prestigious Harvard professor and all.

However your views on this matter lead me to believe that you're content with the biased and "racist" perspective. Clearly simply another African American who was unfairly exploited. And clearly simply another corrupt police officer. There were African American officers at the scene and they agreed with Sgt. James Crowley's actions.


I could go on forever about this idiot, but when he criticized Clint Eastwood for "whitewashing" his movies "Letters From Iwo Jima" and "Flags of Our Fathers" that was really just sad. He obviously doesn't know his history. Or when he criticized "The Patriot" for "conveniently" avoiding the subject of slavery. Not everything has to be about racism Spike!

:( sadface