Would you stop posting that copy+pasted text and link. If you want to work that some of their ridiculous arguments into your 'debate', do so. But stop copying the exact same chunk of text and link into a post. All you're succeeding in doing is diminishing your own stance by appearing to only have one 'source'. And the writers of said article need to remove the stick.

yeah, hate isnt easy to convince. sometimes i think that if words dont work, lets used force, even though its wrong. im interested about those people in England you said earlier, tell me more about. Did you get your ass kick or saw someone else got theirs trying to do something againts them.

Mercedes, no one has to be politically correct. That was a courtesy. Don't try and tell me calling myself caucasian is racist, or I'll start saying nigger every sentence just to piss you off.

I get the impression that your morality is like the scripting for Windows; one single letter out of place and it brings down the whole system... that is a new age over over-sensativity.

Of course, it's annoying to be generalized against, and sometimes it eve hurts. But if you go as far as you have, you're not even a paper tiger... you're more like a paper duck, or something...

mercedesjin


Honestly, awareness is key... but you're SO aware, it's starting to get annoying.

Being obsessed with the idea is just as bad as being a racist in the first place.

Exactly. I knew the story behind it, and wanted to see Mercedes reaction. I was not disappointed. I received the one I expected to.

taihen de fukai wadai da yo. arasou koto nashi ni sono shitsumon wo hakkiri kotaete miru yo. boku wa afurika kei amerikajin da yo. kazoku sae mo sono kotoba wo boku ni itte hoshikunai n da kedo, hontou ni wa sono kotoba wo tsukau no ga sukina afurika kei amerikajin ni tsuite hanashitai . afurika kei amerikajin wa sono kotoba wo tsukainagara, ta no hito ga sono gehin na kotoba wo tsukatte hoshikunai to itteta desho? maa. setsumei suru no wa totemo muzukashii to omou kedo, sono you ni shite miru yo. hakkiri rikai suru tame ni rekishi ni tsuite chotto hanasu hitsuyou ga aru. sono kotoba wa zutto mae totemo gehin datta. dorei no tame no kotodama you datta; moshi masuta wa temee ga n***** da to ittetara, yowai ningen da to iu koto datta. yowai ningen wa nanimo dekinakatta. Demo, afurika kei amerikajin wa ima sono kotoba wo tsukau no ga suki da (senzo ga afurika kara kita ikuninka wa sono kotoba wo tsukau no ga suki da to itta hou gai to omou)
karera wa ima dorei ja nai koto wo shitteru kara. sono kotoba no gehinna imi wo kaeta. [boku wa dorei ja nai]to iu koto datta. [senzo wo yasashiku osaeru tame ni masuta wa sono kotoba wo tsukatta kedo, ima atarashii imi ga aru]to iu koto da. teki wo makaru tameni teki no kengeki wo tsukau you da. Tonikaku, mada ichiban taisetsu na shitsumon wo kotaetenai: doushite hakujin wa sono kotoba wo tsukatte wa ikenai no? hakujin ga afurika kei amerikajin to sono kotoba wo iu to kiku koto ga aru. sore ni, boku no kankei ja nai to omotteru. senzo ga afurika kara kita ikuninka wa hakujin ga sono kotoba no fukai imi ga wakaranai to omotteru kara, hakujin ga sono kotoba wo tsukatte hoshikunai. kakkoyoku ni naru tame ni ikuninka wa sono kotoba wo tsukau no hou ga ii. boku no iken ni doui suru ka dou ka kamawanai. sono kotoba wo tsukau koto ni tsuite arasou no wa mueki da ne. dareka no sono kotoba ni tsuite no iken wo shiranai to sono kotoba wo iwanai. Hontou ni kantan da yo

Very serious and deep topic. Without arguing, I will try to clearly answer the question. I am african-american. I don't even want my family saying that word to me but, I want to talk about those african-americans who DO like using that word.. you were saying that while african-americans use that word, they don't white people to use it, right? In order to clearly explain I am going to have to talk a little about history. The word back then was very vulgar, it was a word for the slaves, it seems; if the master called you a n*****, it meant that you were a weak human being, and weak humans couldn't do anything. However, now african americans like to use that word (I should say that SOME people whose ancestors came from africa like to use that word), They know that they are not slaves now. They have changed the meaning of that vulgar word. It means, I am not a slave. It means, although the master used that word to easily contrl my ancestors, it now has a new meaning. It's like Defeating the enemy by using his own weapons. Anyway, I still haven't answered the most important question. Why can't white people say that word. I have heard whites using that word word with african-americans, and besides that, it's none of my business, as I see it. Some people whose ancestors came from africa feel that white people don't understand the deep meaning of that word, so they don't want them using it. Some people prefer to use that word to be cool. I don't care whether or not one agrees with my opinion. It is useless arguing about using that word. Unless you know someone's opinions about that word, don't say it. It's really simple

Paragraphing, dude. That wall of text is nearly unreadable...

OOOOOH. I understand what you're saying now. Yeah, that's true. Racism will exist whether offensive words exist or not. To me, though, taking away offensive words is just a small step in the right direction.

Tenchu: I don't think you're being racist if you use the word caucasian. I think that, before reading the article, you were blissfully ignorant - how much of prefer to be, honestly. Now that you've read the information, and you know what it means, you can choose to make a change or ignore what you know. As I've explained before, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to ignore and not make a change. Taking words out of your vocabulary - words you've used since childhood - are a little difficult. It's like stripping away at who you are and all you know. Knowing that, I don't really expect anything from you.

burkhartdesu: Then why be in this thread? That's something I can't quite understand. Honestly, without getting into an argument, can you explain that to me? Why are there so many people who are "pissed off" at me, who only have negative things to say without actually responding to the topic at hand - who are really, very annoyed by everything I have to say - and why don't they ever leave this thread? Is it because they're attracted to negativity? Is it boredom? Seriously, I'm not trying to insult you or anything like that. I just want to see someone's POV on that, someone who is annoyed, because I can't begin to understand on my own.

SSJup81 (and MMM, I guess): I absolutely understand where you guys are coming from. I do. I've argued this point before with MMM, and we've discussed this point already. I say that is a person in Japan were to ask me, "Are you related to Rihanna?" just because we're both black, that's innocence. Here in the USA, I'd be offended. In Japan, I know that there isn't the same cultural history.

Let's look at Japanese history, though. They've borrowed a lot from China, haven't they? They borrowed the ideas of Buddhism, writing, culture - and, though they've only borrowed those ideas, it became a part of Japanese culture.

Japan has now borrowed a lot from the USA as well. Entertainment, mostly. They've also, unfortunately, borrowed the ideas on racism. They don't know what it means. Yet it's become a part of Japanese culture. This means that, any child that has seen that videogame, will now associate black people with that picture. Anyone who has seen blackface will associate black people with that. I don't know about you, but when I look at blackface, I see the idea that a race can easily be portrayed by a little bit of makeup and some simple, stereotyped gestures. I'm sure that people understand stereotyping across all nations and cultures. I'm sure that people understand that it's wrong. So why is it that, in Japan, it's all right to stereotype an entire race through blackface? They may not understand the USA history behind it, but because they've borrowed it from the USA, they think that it's acceptable. They think that mock portrayals of black people is entertainment.

Ministry show, anyone?

This is why history should be taught: so that it doesn't happen again.

Seraphim: You're arguing for reclaiming the word, and it's interesting. That's just something I personally can't agree with. A word will always have the history behind of it.

LOL

You think I read the article??? Hehehe...

As if...

I mean, if I posted a link with a title saying "Calling yonug dogs "pups" after they're 6 months old may be offensive" would you bother to read it? No. See my point?

Mercedes, you have some serious problems.

I wouldn't use it due to the old pejorative undertones. I really couldn't care less if sb was black, brown, yellow or white. God made variety the spice of life and we should be thankful.

Many people have come far and worked hard to avoid racial tension and fighting. Let's continue in that vein!

:) I like that philosophy. Unfortunately, it's a little hard to do in this day and age. Maybe in a few decades, with more education on race relations, things can change.

I wouldn't say in this day and age. We have been educating people for a long time on this issue but some people just don't want to know and would prefer to ignore schooling. Martin Luther King got the ball rolling many decades ago (1929-1968 RIP). There are 'baddies' on both sides but I always felt that the Black Panthers were redressing the imbalance whereas the KKK were rubbing white supremacy in their faces. I'm white btw. I'd be classed as a WASP but I don't like labels and don't see myself as Protestant. I was only sent to church when I was younger.

Still, we have these programs like Star Trek:TNG where humanity has overcome its deficiencies and prejudices and moved towards the collective benefit of mankind. If we work together on pooling our knowledge on the humanities, who cares what colour we are? We will have made our mark :)

God that is so true. Everything you've said is true, but that's the thing that really gets me. I guess it's something we can't do anything about, though. We can't force people to want to learn and know.

Star Trek has been a pioneer for race relations in entertainment, hasn't it? One of the first TV shows to have an interracial couple. Love it. But yeah, the color of our skin is basically defined by the same gene that defines the color of our hair. It's kind of interesting to imagine a society that defines who people are based only on the color of their hair, not their skin.

Look, both you and Mercedesjin are looking for PC terms for races. You claim Latino is more correct than Hispanic. How can you truly call someone something when it isn't correct?

Latin America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here it says that Latin America includes Brazil. But anyone who knows Brazil knows that their culture and language are very different than the other countries included. How do you explain that? So calling someone Hispanic is technically more correct than Latino in most cases.


And Mercedesjin, don't post that stupid paste up about Latinos for the 6th time. That just says you have no proof and you can't find a better case to prove you are right.

Unfortunately, you're attempting to redefine an entire country when the country itself defines itself a part of Latin America. That's kind of like saying that, "You might be American, but you don't speak English and are not white and don't have a house with a white picket fence. Therefore, you're not really American." There are many different experiences that create the USA. There are many different experiences that create Latin America.

Wait a minute. Seanus quotes Martin Luther King and you say this, but on another post I made on a different thread that somehow (OMG I am so surprised!) you turned into another racial debate, when I quoted him you called me a Racist. Why not him too? You have a double standard. You think it's fine if we agree with you but if not we are racist. Maybe it's because Seanus doesn't have a photo up to see his skin color? I'm sure most here will agree with me that probably the biggest racist I've seen on this forum is you.

This makes no sense. You are trying to throw people off the fact that your thinking has flaws in it. You are never going to be able to accurately label all races or cultures so quit worrying about it.

It is a shame that african peeps have not learned their lesson and propigate their own hatred towards disabled people and sexual deviants let alone against cauc's, asians and many other non-african groups.

(now into frank mode) -generalisation-
Black's are as racist as eveyone else. It is group mentality at its best.

1. Black slaves...
Yea right! Like you were the first and last slaves on this planet, get real and look at history. You will see many cultures were enslaved and treated much worse.
2. Black rights...
Go #### yourselves! You are entitled to the same rights as everyone (if you live in the right country) and not more! You cannot start to use your skin as an excuse to leverage more rights then we all get.
3. Racist words...
For #### sake! you four eyed homosexual fat cripple. If I had a penny for every creative cuss that has ever been spoken, I would buy you Microsoft.
4. Africa...
Most blacks who go back to the motherland promptly pack their bags and #### back off to where the life is greener. Yea! wear that leather neck badge, cus thats the closest you are going to want to be to your good ol' motherland.
5. USA...
Or Unofficial Suburb of Africa. Don't ####### moan, you now live in the holy heaven of countries. You are part of the greatest country on earth (and if you cannot spot sarcasm then #### off), you have a B? how do you spell black again??? oh yea! Bla(cough)ck president. Now black people own the best country on earth, what a long way you have come!

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In short, we all have it tough and we all DO NOT expect special treatment.
If someone calls me a ####### #### sucking #### freak #### ######## fellow, then good for them. I applaud their grasp of grammar. It means #### all to me.
I reserve the right to hate whoever I want to hate, regardless of race creed or colour.
I am and will always be human before being a male, a caucasion, intelligent. I reserve the right as a human to be an asshol e.

If you see your colour, creed, religion, sex, type before seeing you humanity, then you are as racist as they come.

To start a thread like this is to promote your own racist mind.

Peace to the ningen!

I guess I am not alone.

You said everything I have been trying to say this entire thread. Kudos.

Just give up. She won't budge. :rolleyes:

Very true, Mercedesjin. We show our double standards when a beautiful black woman is presented. I'm not a fan of Naomi Campbell but I can appreciate what modelling agencies see in her. She becomes an object of beauty but other hard-working black people are forgotten about as they aren't seen as aesthetically pleasing or useful to us whites. Very unfortunate but everyone has their role in life. Some black people are amongst my favourite in life. Samuel L Jackson, Morgan Freeman and Martin Luther King being prime examples.

I like what dirtyroboto has to say. We are first and foremost humanists and we shouldn't be singled out for fitting a label. I'd be very angry were I to be attacked by sb who is anti-Scottish, for example. The same with colour. We don't choose our skin (Jackson tried but look what happened there, RIP) so we must just get on with what we have.

In Japan we have a name for racists...

Japanese ;)

(Sarcasm, joke)

Yeah, but at least they hate all gaijin equally.:D

I found that many are but they follow like sheep (the sheeple). There was very little independent judgement amongst many when I was there. The ones who had been Westernised were very different, though. They were afraid of foreigners and they actually embraced diversity.

I grew up in a thick skinned neigbourhood, if you had an obvious deficiency (by that I mean a thing that makes you different in a bad way (for you thick people)) then you got a lifelong nickname to suit your affliction.
These would even be yelled down the street, "Hey FATTY!".

Some of the poor buggers nick's are to follow, but mine was shortass!
These are all real and were used by me and others.
Fatty, Spotty, Lanky, pick'me, gonk, gimp, spam head, teddy fu#### (plz don't ask how he got that), greenie, smelly o'#####, homo, black mar####, ugly (ppl still call him that), johnny queer, paki tosh, f#ck, his name was like faakishmah but we shortened it to the most funny permutation.

In short, we can all be nasty little humans and we can all grow into nasty big humans. Some do and some don't.
If you take anything too seriously then it will affect your views of reality. If you are not confident to be yourself and stand up for your big nose or red hair then it will scar you for the rest of your life, and you in turn will scar others.

Too mercedesjin, don't be black, be human.
People only notice your colour if you put it in thier face!

That's true. You have to work with what you have and roll with it. I have red hair but I would have chosen it at birth had I had the choice. It's others that give it a bad rap but I love it.

Hehe, I have a big chinko but it is not something you can show to everyone without being arrested or I would have had a better nickname :)

Hahaha. There is a building company here in Poland called Manko. Oops!

I might have to call you pachinko (pinball).

Hey a building company in Poland?!?!?!
I thought they all moved west!

What do polish builders use for scaffolding?
.....
It must surely be against human rights eh!

(hope not to offend my Polish friend)

I'm not Polish, I'm from the land of some of the best inventors :) :)

Yeah, it's a building company I think. What are your perceptions of Poland? It'd be interesting to know. I can speak the language and read it. Still, I'm not a national of this country.

Poland has had a very hard struggle due to its location amid more greedy neighbours and less fortunate contries. Also a very difficult internal history.
Its people are classed as agricultural although is has a very strong history of innovation and manafacture the people are still viewed by the west as pesants.
Poland exports much needed skills and manpower to the west in return for a good days wage, although this has now changed and many polish can now find a good wage at home.

Many polish jews fled from the country to america (less to England) and have made a good life for themselves and their children while still retaining their polish roots. Many western shops now stock a range of polish foods and drinks for the expats.

Poland in my book is a country that has bred many good and strong people and suffered many poor times.


Btw, I am English from dutch decent

That about sums them up. They will fight in the face of adversity. Still, racial tolerance needs a bit of work in some parts.

I am Scottish btw.

Blue faced bugger!

(ref. mel gibson)

Ahhh, Jocks and paddies, my best drinking buddies! :)

Blue and white :)

I had some great times drinking with Englishmen and also a Welsh girl. Their nationality really didn't matter, they were all good folks.

I'm white and sometimes I'll refer to myself as a "cracker" just to be funny, and I don't find anything offensive about this word.

But I never use the "N" word. I don't think it's okay to say just whenever you feel like it, but I think it's up to the person. I've seen some black people say it to each other, and if they're comfortable with that then I think it's okay. But if not, then don't say it.