Is "Tentai" a Japanese First name?
 

I know it from "Tentai Kansoku" but I thought maybe it's a Japanese first name?

bump of chicken

anything can be a first name if you want it to be.

It is not. Sure, you could combine different kanji to get the same sound and make a name "Tentai", or even write it the same way as in tentaikansoku... But I would honestly laugh out loud if I spotted someone with that name.

Is "Astronomic" a name in English? Is "Heavenly Body" a name in English?
That will answer your question the best.

Haha, that made me literally lol. Of course, this is assuming that all parents are rational and kind to their kids. My cousin personally went to school with two girls called Coral and Treasure. Surname? Island.

I wish I was making that up.

That`s why I said you COULD give that name - but that doesn`t mean I wouldn`t laugh at someone named "Heavenly Body"
Really, it`s sad that kids have to suffer through names like that.

Because it's like someone approaching you and saying "Hi, my name is Planet!" I can think of many responses to that: "...*snrk*" "Really?" "As in 'Captain'?" but probably not "Wow! Awesome name!"

"Hi, my name is Heavenly-Body Johnson! Nice to meet you! This is my sister, Astronomic Johnson."...

You wouldn`t laugh?

It does not. Yes, there is another WORD that means deep red that sounds the same... But it`s not the name, is written differently, and is used with that meaning FAR less than the sound "Akane" is used for a name.

Names follow a set pattern. There are words/sound patterns that are accepted and commonly used as names. And then there are those which are not.
If someone had a name that meant "heavenly body" somewhere, or at some point in it`s history but which was currently a name or accepted as one (such as Autumn, etc) that is fine.

Tentai does NOT follow that pattern. It`s not a name, and would never mean anything other that "Heavenly-Body" or "Astronomical" to anyone who heard it said.
It was asked whether Tentai is a Japanese first name. It is not, and would elicit the same reaction as a 100% American being named "Heavenly-Body" (Exactly that, not something that means that in another country or that had that meaning in the past, etc) in America.
I wouldn`t actually LAUGH at them, but I would judge whether they had been given the name by their parents (and feel a little bad for them) or whether they had changed their own name to that (and find it hard to take them seriously in most cases.)

Listen, if a kid can be named "Apple" by an actress, you can name them whatever you want. If you really want to be a scamp name them アップル and really send everyone reeling.

They don`t have to - but to deny that they do would be lying to yourself.
You`re completely welcome to name your children anything you like - no matter how far it veers from the typical "name". But do not be upset if your child is bullied, if people think less of them or you for that name, or if it reduces your child`s opportunities in life.
If I were looking for a doctor, I`d be much more likely to choose a "Linda Smith" over an "Astronomical Smith". I`d rather have a lawyer named "William Jones" than one named "Heavenly-Body Jones". Your name has a lot to do with how you are perceived - a "non-name" name may not receive a positive response. If you feel that your child should just deal with the name and it`s repercussions... Well, good luck with that. But I have yet to meet a single person with a very strange name who was actually happy about it.

If you named your sone Astronomical he will pay for it for sure. Not he might get social reprisals...he WILL get social reprisals.

It absolutely will cost him future opportunities unless he changes it himself. You might as well dress him in girl's clothes from the day he is born.

It is not society being trivial...and you can pretend to be "better" than society by saying you don't paint a picture in your head of what someone is like by their name...but this is part of how society remains society.

Please feel free to go straight to the point.

Then why not start by changing your own name to one very "non-name"? You say it means bean farmer in Latin - but I`d say that Latin isn`t exactly a language in popular use. Why not change your name to "Beanfarmer" (or the equivalent in your local language)? It would be a very interesting experiment in gauging the true reactions of society to a non-name.

Society WILL react in a way you do not want it to if you give your child a very abnormal name. Creativity is fine, you don`t have to name your children the most popular names of the year... But "Astronomical" or "HeavenlyBody" are definitely far beyond the line of mere creativity.

Someone brought up "Apple" as a name... That is fairly inane, and is not all that far from "Peach" and "Cherry" which are accepted commonly as names. And yet - the name Apple is memorable. Why? Because it is a non-name. The effect will be MUCH worse with something like "Astronomical".

It is easy to say you are tolerant about something that doesn't exist.

I'm tolerant about many worst things.

I would definitely tolerate someone called "Astronomical".

@Nyororin:

That's why i'm saying society needs to be more tolerant.

An individual name does not change the individual capacities. Yet, it changes his opportunities. (regarding this imaginary case)

Note: Obviously i didn't say he wouldn't get social reprisals. Thats actually what i pointed out. And thats the motive for this "manifestation".

How can you be so sure of this?
I DO believe it would have an effect on the individual capabilities. The name will not suddenly appear the day he gets his medical degree - it will be there ALL his life. He would have been treated differently for it through his entire life, and opportunities along the way may have been closed because of that name. There may be learning chances that he was passed over on because of his name - or which he passed on himself because of the name (embarassment).

I once knew a girl in Japan whose was here on study from Mexico - and her last name was Baca. I don`t think she took a single extra course and avoided field trips and any other occasion that might bring attention to her name. She avoided talking to Japanese people, and kept her head low through the stay. She lost a lot of opportunities because of it, and it was a foreign name that people were understanding about once they realized this...

She passed the course... But that doesn`t mean that her skills at the end were anywhere near those who had been taking all the opportunities available to them.

While we're on the subject . . .

Natsumi means summer beauty, Heavenly body doesn't sound right apparently, So does Natsumi sound right?

Yes, because it's a recognized name and to the listener doesn't actually literally mean 'summer beauty'. Suppose I said ' I know one of the Pinchbeck's sons' to you? Would you automatically think, "ah yes, a type of silver"? No, because it's a name and it doesn't directly hold that kind of semantic information.
I mean, you'd never use the same 'Natsumi' 夏美 to describe the beauty of summer as a noun. It would probably more like 'Natsu no mi' at the least.

Thinking of it the other way, it's the same as trying to say 'Diana is a princess, 'Sarah' means princess, therefore, Diana is a Sarah."

But Tentai literally means 'heavenly body' and as far as most people are concerned, it doesn't carry any other kind of meaning. That's why it sounds weird when you put it in a name situation.

Capacity is potential. Think of a bucket that has a capacity of 5 liters. The bucket starts empty or close to it. There are a limited number of opportunities to add water to that bucket - but we don`t use all the opportunities and end up with a 5 liter bucket holding only 2.5 liters... Even though the capacity is the same - the potential to hold 5 liters is there - the bucket will be holding less than even the 3 liter buckets that used all the opportunities.

Even if Astronomical were born with very high IQ, and a high "capacity" for learning... If they do not have the opportunities available to them in life to actually make USE of their potential - they will end up behind. If capacity alone controlled the outcome, there would be little use for school at all - we`d all just pick up things based on "our senses".

I wouldn`t want a doctor who had great potential - I`d want one who actually filled their capacity (so to speak).

I knew a girl (a few years younger than me) whose name was Candy, her sister Sugar. Everyone joked that they sounded like a porn star names. They were smart, from a good family, etc... What Candy is now? An "exotic dancer". Sugar ended up on the streets.

Your name does have a very strong effect on where you end up in life.

-Nods head- That makes sense, Thank you for clearing that up :pinkbow:

And like I've said, "Astronomical" would only end up with "less sensorial knownledge". Nothing else, and nothing more.

Our divergences here also points to social structure. In general sense, social institutions and norms become embedded into social systems in such a way that they shape the behavior of actors within those social systems. - Unfortunatly.

You think that the "5 liters bucket" could be fullfilled to nearly 5 liters if he wasn't named "Astronomical", instead of nearly 3 liters "limit".

I dont think we should even fullfill 1/5 of it. Call it Mysantrophy, Racionalism, or stupidity. But i dont really think that we can archieve the true "shape" of knownledge within our "sensorial human reality". - Yes, im agnostic.

Thats why i dont even think he should make use of those 2.5/5 capacities, because he isn't going to archieve the true "shape" of knownledge because hes within the "sensorial human reality".

Therefore, for me, any "knownledge/concept" created upon this "sensorial human reality", (creating concepts through the process of captation of information through our senses that are processed in our brain and in consequence creates concepts) is questionable/uncertain.

I doubt that we can archieve the true "shape" of knownledge within this reality.


PS: I guess i went a little bit "off-convo", but i wanted you to know that we have different perspectives ragarding alot of things mentioning in the convo.

PSS: Yes, you can throw at my face that im living within this "sensorial reality" and that i cant do much about it as a unit, and therefore, should stick with its "norms" and "rules".

PSSS: Yes, im such an hipocrit and ironic person. Im agnostic, and yet im on the university studying and learning the "human sensorial knownledge/concepts". How pitty.

What were the names?

What should you name your child if you want them to live a virtuous life?