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MMM 12-20-2009 09:28 PM

Avatar
 
Avatar has been billed as the Greatest Adventure Ever Told.

Though I think the Greatest CG Ever Seen might be a better description. The CG is certainly impressive and quite crisp. The way the CG characters interacted with each other is pretty incredible.

What is less incredible is when real humans interact with the CG creatures. It is then, especially, one is reminded this is a CG movie.

It is an impressive movie, and I think it has raised the bar (for anyone with a 300 million dollar budget for a movie) but at 2 hours and 45 minutes, it moves way too slow and explains every single thing over so even a baby can understand. Plot turns are telegraphed so far in advance the story tells itself long before it is over.

Many people I know can talk enough about how amazing this movie is, so maybe I shorted myself in seeing it in 2-D.

darksyndrem 12-20-2009 10:16 PM

I heard it was amazing, but I have no motivation to see anything in 3-D

xyzone 12-20-2009 10:17 PM

I don't really care for it except maybe as a rental. A lot of other CG movies have been done well, like sky captain and world of tomorrow. Should be a fine movie but the theme doesn't really interest me right now.

JasonTakeshi 12-20-2009 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xyzone (Post 790894)
I don't really care for it except maybe as a rental. A lot of other CG movies have been done well, like sky captain and world of tomorrow. Should be a fine movie but the theme doesn't really interest me right now.

This.

And i had to wait like half an hour to get in my town's cinema just because of it. And i didnt even bought the tickets to see that one. (I saw ÀgOra)

seiki 12-21-2009 12:25 AM

Alot of my friends are saying that it is the greatest movie ever but i think that they are getting caught up in the visuals and ignoring the story which is un-original and yes mmm i could tell the ending within the first 10-20 minutes.

Tenchu 12-21-2009 09:37 AM

I'll watch the movie, but not in 3-D. I think 3-D is more for children. I don't appreciate it.

I'm looking forward to seeing it when it comes on DVD release.

MMM 12-21-2009 09:43 AM

My sense is if you are not going to see it in a theater and in 3-D, I would probably skip it altogether.

It's the difference between riding on a roller coaster or watching a video of someone riding on a roller coaster.

Aniki 12-21-2009 12:23 PM

Well, the critics are praising it a lot. Maybe there's more to it than just newest CGI.

iPhantom 12-21-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshAussie (Post 790937)
Transformers, Star Trek, Avatar and whatever else is coming out of hollywood these days sucks.

Except, The greatest movie ever created in recent times, Inglorious Bastards - BEST MOVIE EVER MADE!

That's just your opinion. Inglorious Basterds is a movie only for Tarantino fans. It has no meaninful plot, just nice dialogues and some fantasy of Tarantino. Nothing special. It's a decent movie and has a lot of jewish propaganda.

Now, Transformers is a great movie, the 1st was. The 2nd did get a bit worse because of the high demand of CGI and special effects. It actually wasa masterpiece of CGI. The story wasn't anything good because it's not part of the main storyline. Just wait for the new Transformer movies which include Unicron Battles, those are the real shit. They will need a lot more budget than Avatar for that.

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 790972)
My sense is if you are not going to see it in a theater and in 3-D, I would probably skip it altogether.

It's the difference between riding on a roller coaster or watching a video of someone riding on a roller coaster.

3D movies look odd on 2D, give you some sort of awkward feeling. I still prefer 2D over 3D though.

WhoIsDaffy 12-21-2009 02:49 PM

im gonna see it at the IMAX - 20-26 meter screen full 3d with a couple of thousand watt soundsystem - and im gonna be a little wasted too, to make sure its more imersive

get in

can't wait!

TalnSG 12-21-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 790972)
My sense is if you are not going to see it in a theater and in 3-D, I would probably skip it altogether.

It's the difference between riding on a roller coaster or watching a video of someone riding on a roller coaster.

I can only surmise from having seen the trailers in the theatre and then on TV, but that was exactly how it seemed to me.

But then I kinda reached peak boredom with blue, green, purple, whatever odd color humanoid the most recent movie alien comes in way back when Shatner was lusting after the vivid green female alien tha we could only see in black & white at the time.

And Cameron pales as a director long ago..... Titanic seems to have been his artistic last gasp.

WhoIsDaffy 12-21-2009 03:05 PM

i dunno,
i see it as a loud, spectacual action adventure.

looking at the trailer it looks exactly that.

of course the film is going to be predictable, its a holywood film after all

MoshixMoshi 12-21-2009 08:14 PM

I've seen Avatar in 3-D and I thought it was
1.) Predictable but it still caught me up in the moment. I caught myself digging my fingers into my palm in anticipation more than once. I wanted to cry out at some points even.
2.) Hardcore eye candy! I am a sucker for graphics...scratch that I'm a massive sucker for graphics. I won't even look twice at an anime if I don't like the art for it. Avatar achieved greatness in this area. It was a buffet of color and glory. I will agree with MMM though when you were definitely reminded it was fake when the real humans were interacting with the cgi...It probably could've been done better.
3.) If I were to have seen it in 2-D I would not be as interested...sadly enough. They didn't even utilize enough of the 3-D aspect in my opinion. They left so many things, that could've been eye-popping, out.

The end result is that I love the movie reguardless. I really felt for the characters and I loved the take on the humanoid aliens. No more green and all creepy, huge-eyed, things... THANK GOD. This fits into the visual appeal I was talking about too. Me=sucker. :D

Kyousuke 12-21-2009 09:49 PM

I enjoyed it. it was really good. most movies you see fail to explain alot of things but this one didn't. i don't really know if it moved slow, i was too much into it. it was predictable, but thats only because every movie made is predictable, except for a couple of movies i've seen.but he did a good job with this one.

komitsuki 12-22-2009 02:26 AM

The general image (not going to any detail) of this movie could be summed up like this.

Herbert's Dune + Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri + Verhoeven's Starship Trooper + De Palma's Mission to Mars + Kroyer's FernGully

Megabyte117 12-22-2009 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 790972)
My sense is if you are not going to see it in a theater and in 3-D, I would probably skip it altogether.

This.

Being someone who largely detests 3D (headache from wearing the glasses and straining my eyes), this truly is worth seeing if only for that. It's phenomenal. (I saw it in IMAX 3D).

Otherwise, this movie is easily a pass. It's pretty much Dances with Smurfs. The characters are hardly likable, the plot more predictable than a romantic comedy, cheesy & poorly written dialogue, heavy-handed anti-war/nature themes, and a ridiculously long running time. If only James Cameron had spent as much time on the script as he did on the effects. There is absolutely no subtlety whatsoever.

If you're not into 3D, I'd recommend not seeing this movie. There are countless movies that use this exact plot and execute it much better.

Naruto911 12-22-2009 04:51 PM

Well, I thought that it was so awesome!!!
Yes the graphics were like the best, so were the colors were and interaction with different things. I thought it was pretty darn creative. And the fact that humans were involved with the unrealistic world, it just made me feel as though I could jump in and let loose. And to me it was 3D enough even in 2D, everything still seemed to pop.:vsign: & :rheart:

Liongale 12-22-2009 07:27 PM

I was already pre-ruined for this movie for 2 reasons. One being an Avatar: The Airbender fan, and hearing they couldn't title their movie with 'Avatar cos' of this movie.

The second reason is this movie kept pushing even before they were anywhere near done that this would be the best movie I ever saw, and how it would change moviemaking forever... those are kind of statements that should be made after a movie is shown and accepted, not during development!

However, I will admit, they did a fantastic job. But still deep down I hate it, because the ego behind this movie leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'd rather have another Aliens movie, personally.

Barone1551 12-22-2009 09:16 PM

The graphics are amazing in the movie. You are really robbing yourself if you dont see it in 3d. The story was not groundbreaking, but it was good. It was similar to other movies as far as stories go. But to say it was a copy of any other movie is pretty ridiculous. You could say any movie copies from other movies. Go see it and decide for yourself.

Jaydelart 12-29-2009 02:25 AM

I watched it Christmas day with the family.

These days, I scrutinize how the story is delivered more than what the story is about... because, in my opinion, any legitimate story can be amazing with a good story-telling technique. And Avatar is no exception. It did a considerably good job of immersing the audience into its world. The wildlife, people, and landscapes made many references to the real world, and that helped shape an attachment to the storyline.

Although its philosophical value was shallow to a degree, I think it was effective at stimulating the mind. And that's what caught a lot of people's attention. What it lacks in epiphanic depth it makes up for in appealing presentation and concept.


All the public hype initially made me wary, but I ended up enjoying it.
It was a beautiful movie -- both technically and artistically.



[SPOILER BELOW]

With all that said, I did have one notable problem with the movie... and that was when Grace died.
I feel I didn't care as much as I probably should have.

I was more affected when the soldier chick died... and I don't even remember her name. lol

seiki 12-29-2009 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 792025)
I watched it Christmas day with the family.




[SPOILER BELOW]

With all that said, I did have one notable problem with the movie... and that was when Grace died.
I feel I didn't care as much as I probably should have.

I was more affected when the soldier chick died... and I don't even remember her name. lol

lol thats what my friends said. Her name was Trudy. I totally agree with you about the delivery of story they made a recycled story in a way that pulls you into the movie very well. I was sad for like a day and a half because i could not be a na'vi. sad but true.

xyzone 01-03-2010 08:44 AM

I went to see this tonight and I thought it was good, as I expected, but not a must see. There is no such thing as a must see for everyone. I would say if you are into crazy mystical nature and stuff like that, then this might be a must see for you. For me, District 9 was a must see.

manganimefan227 01-03-2010 09:23 AM

Hmm . . .Pretty graphics or singing chipmunks . ..

Nyu would rather see singing Chipmunks?

MMM 01-03-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by manganimefan227 (Post 793054)
Hmm . . .Pretty graphics or singing chipmunks . ..

Nyu would rather see singing Chipmunks?

I guess Nyu would be the best one to answer that question.

Salvanas 01-03-2010 12:24 PM

I'm usually a person who dislikes 3d, because it's not usually 3d, and it's usually extra money for something that's not really noticeable. Also, I hate really hyped up movies, much like the Dark Knight. And because of that, I was at a dislike to begin with.

HOWEVER.

I fell in love with the movie.

The visuals, how Pandora was made (I'm a HUGE sucker for landscape settings. IT's one of the main things I look for in films/games. If I'm in awe of the landscape, that's a huge plus.).

I agree the story itself was a recycled one. But they managed to keep everyone captivated regardless.

Thing I found that was interesting, was how my friend reacted to it. At first, he was falling asleep, and thought the Neytiri (Main female Na'bi) was ugly, and odd. But as the movie progressed, he went to me "Is this weird? I'm finding her more attractive as the movie goes on" and by the end was fully engrossed into the movie.

This film is easily a favourite. There's been many shit films lately, and this, 'Sherlock Holmes', and 'Law Abiding Citizen' and proven to me that there are still good films out there.

noodle 01-03-2010 12:59 PM

I thought Avatar was really good. I'm the same as Salvanas' friend. At first, I kept looking at my watch thinking this is too slow and they just looked weird. By the end of the film though, I found myself thinking, wow, Neytiri is beautiful and so is the life they were all leading. Only two films have made me look at aliens and feel sorry for them, or feel something powerful for them. That's Avatar, and the other is District 9. I think, because of these two films, 2009 was a great year for movies. But, Avatar isn't the greatest movie of all time:cool:

Suki 01-04-2010 03:19 PM

A truly amazing movie. I saw it 2D first then went again 3D and I have to say I was disappointed big time. If you ain't seen it yet 3D isn't worth the + $5 it costs.

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 793084)
Avatar isn't the greatest movie of all time:cool:

Oh it IS! :mtongue:

kyo_9 01-04-2010 04:10 PM

watch the 3D version the other day..
was very impressed by the way they shaped Pandora and all..
trully worth the money~=

Zenzen 01-04-2010 04:20 PM

I say that, Avatar to this generation is like the Titanic for last generation. I loved the way not only how it looked, but the story line itself. Avatar reminds me of what happened to Native Americans and Africans when they're lands were being taken and treated like "savages" (hate the word), when in truth, they knew more and were more compassionate than they were. It sucks that the human people didn't catch up on their history before doing what they did......

AVATAR ROCKED IT!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS WORTH THE 14 YEARS OF PRODUCTION!!!!

darksyndrem 01-04-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zenzen (Post 793424)
I say that, Avatar to this generation is like the Titanic for last generation. I loved the way not only how it looked, but the story line itself. Avatar reminds me of what happened to Native Americans and Africans when they're lands were being taken and treated like "savages" (hate the word), when in truth, they knew more and were more compassionate than they were. It sucks that the human people didn't catch up on their history before doing what they did......

AVATAR ROCKED IT!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS WORTH THE 14 YEARS OF PRODUCTION!!!!

Thank you, Sherlock.

Zenzen 01-04-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 793426)
Thank you, Sherlock.

Ur welcome ^-^

manganimefan227 01-04-2010 06:18 PM

O.O 14 Years?!?!?!?!?! This movie has been in ze making exactly Nyu's whole life!!

PockyMePink 01-04-2010 08:35 PM

Avatar was boring and predictable. The graphics were good, but not enough to salvage the movie. The characters were flat and boring. Jake was a Gary Stu, being disabled and having little to no knowledge of Pandora or the Na'Vi, he was still able to become accepted whereas no other Avatar had been. And he didn't even bat an eye! The rest of the humans only showed up when Jake needed them.

I didn't like how they portrayed the army as the badguys. While I don't agree that they should have done what they did, it was horrible that they portrayed each and every person as being cold hearted. In one scene, while they were discussing the stratgies they were going to use against the Na'Vi, there were people cheering! I'm not sure how realistic it is to cheer on plans to destroy the home of an innocent race, but having them react that way makes them seem like cold-hearted assholes rather than human beings.

The only thing they expanded on in the Pandora world were the landscapes, and I already said the graphics were good. But outside of that, there were few animals and plants that were introduced, and there was no variety to the world. That gave the world a fake feeling in my opinion. Also, for a movie that bashed Pagan religions, it really had a Pagan feel to it.

There were a lot of flaws to the movie, and it was ok at best. I didn't fall in love with it, though it was trying its best to capitivate me. I did like the emotion that came from the Na'Vi when the tree fell - that was the only scene I really liked. The movie is too overhyped for its own good - I wouldn't see it again if I had the chance to.

noodle 01-04-2010 09:10 PM

I think it was pretty decent how they allowed a "warrior" to join their world. It happens in many films, books and stories where one person, the most unlikely person is chosen for a greater purpose.

Were we watching the same film? Not everyone in the army was portrayed as cold hearted; the woman left :mtongue: ! I'm guessing you, or someone close to you is in the Army, that's why something like that "upset" you. It's not something new for a room full of armed forces talking to be cheering at the idea of killing and defeating an enemy.

To be honest, I'm pretty shocked you thought there was no variety to the world. The variety and imagination expressed in the film was one of the things I liked about the movie... Maybe it's because I, myself have no imagination, but gosh, I'm still surprised, lol.

Eureka77 01-04-2010 09:15 PM

Must see Avatar!!! XD

clairebear 01-04-2010 09:19 PM

My dad just called me and asked me if I want to go and see this at the cinema on Sunday with his girlfriend and a bunch of other people. I'm not really interested in this movie but I wanna experience seeing a movie in 3-D for the first time, so I think I'll go. I hope it doesn't turn out to be a waste of time.

Ryzorian 01-05-2010 03:28 AM

It's "Dances With Wolves" In Space, it's really that simple. The graphics are awsome and the storyline is decent, despite it's predictablity.

True I didn't like how they portrayed the troops, but historically troops can be pretty aggressive, after all they are trained to kill. I'm ex army and we weren't trained to negotiate.

There is some historical context with the plotline in one major part. The incident about Hometree, what happened with the Navi and why is very similer to what happened with the Souix over the Black Hills.

Man is allways motivated by greed, that wont change. No matter how much you try to be PC about it man will try to dominate a region. History prooves this over and over again, so yes, humans probaly would treat the navi that way.

That's the strange thing, humans as individuals can act almost anyway imaginable, but humans in mass are very predictable.

termogard 01-05-2010 05:22 AM

trained to kill
 
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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 793514)
True I didn't like how they portrayed the troops, but historically troops can be pretty aggressive, after all they are trained to kill. I'm ex army and we weren't trained to negotiate.

What a steel-bladed sentence, huh ! :) .*We weren't trained to negotiate* ....well, it works pretty good when you deal with some desert or forest tribes.:) Napalm, combat helos, armored personnel carriers..... And Mr Cameron perfectly showed it in his latest movie.

MMM 01-05-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshAussie (Post 793558)
I just watched Scarface which makes me want to see Avatar even less (less being lower than "No I am not seeing Avatar, CGI is Ga.... unappealing to me in a way that I can’t pinpoint, so I’ll use ‘gay’ because I lack cognizance and/or imagination to properly describe how I feel about it").

Scarface is the fcken bomb.

That's a little like saying "I saw Godfather, so I don't want to see Up". There really is no relation between the two...they are two completely different genres and experiences.

Salvanas 01-05-2010 11:38 AM

People are missing the point with the military in Avatar.

At the beginning, he himself says that the military on Pandora are no longer a part of any major faction, and instead, are basically mercenaries.

It's not the army. It's a group of mercenaries.


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