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Zerj 02-02-2010 11:35 AM

In my opinion it is selfish. When you love someone that person brings happiness to you, and that's why you want them around you. I know that there are different kinds of love but I focused on when tow people fall in love.

iPhantom 02-02-2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Zerj (Post 798054)
In my opinion it is selfish. When you love someone that person brings happiness to you, and that's why you want them around you. I know that there are different kinds of love but I focused on when tow people fall in love.

Being NOT selfish doesn't mean you don't have to be happy for something you do for others. Being selfish means being happy for yourself without benefiting others, which is not the case here.

Zerj 02-02-2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 798058)
Being NOT selfish doesn't mean you don't have to be happy for something you do for others. Being selfish means being happy for yourself without benefiting others, which is not the case here.

Yes but I mean that when you fall in love with someone you want to spend time with them because they make you feel good. I think that can be considered selfish because you try to make yourself happy by being with him or her, I'm not saying that's selfish in a bad way.

iPhantom 02-02-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerj (Post 798076)
Yes but I mean that when you fall in love with someone you want to spend time with them because they make you feel good. I think that can be considered selfish because you try to make yourself happy by being with him or her, I'm not saying that's selfish in a bad way.

If you really love someone, you'd care more for that person than your life. It doesn't matter if it makes you happy or not, you're not being selfish at all here.

JasonTakeshi 02-02-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 798078)
If you really love someone, you'd care more for that person than your life. It doesn't matter if it makes you happy or not, you're not being selfish at all here.

Give me an example of a situation of someone NOT being selfish.

iPhantom 02-02-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi (Post 798104)
Give me an example of a situation of someone NOT being selfish.

-facepalm- I already gave one in the previous pages and you said 'I respect your opinion but disagree'. You didn't argue why.

JasonTakeshi 02-03-2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 798118)
-facepalm- I already gave one in the previous pages and you said 'I respect your opinion but disagree'. You didn't argue why.

Will do it now.

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 797593)
parents would die for their own child, thus being concerned about someone else's benefit before themselves.

You're saying that the parents are concerning about someone else's benefit before themselves? Its not someone else's, its something. And its not before themselves, its for themselves. Unwanted emotions.

"Parents would die for their own child". - They would die for their own child because they wouldn't stand the pain of loosing the bounds they have created with the child. Regardless if she benefits or not from their decision, their primary interest is to avoid UNWANTED emotions. And loosing that affection they have (because of the loss of the child) its to hard to deal with. Harder than dealing with their own death. (which they wont, because they would be.... dead)

So, in my opinion, they would rather die than having to deal with those unwanted emotions. If the child benefits or not, its irrelevant. The primary target of the human specie is to avoid unwanted emotions.

"... thus being concerned about someone else's benefit before themselves." - Their concerning is just a "fachade". They have estabilished -bounds- with that child, so its normal to "concern" about the child according to you, right?

No, its not the mass of flesh, organs and bones they are concerned about. But the bounds they have established. Its not something material, but merely psychological. They want those bounds to be perserve because it benefits them. And, in order to continue those bounds, the child needs to exist. The child needs to exist to feed those bounds.

"I died happy because i know that my child will keep living. (An assumption)" - YOU died happy. YOU. And what about your child, is she happy? What about the bounds she has established with you, parents, what happens to those bounds? If you dont exist, the only thing left is suffering and memories for that child. There is no bound to keep feeding.

You died happy in order to give your childs life, that same life that will be marked with a scar for all her life - the scar of a lost bound.

Wouldn't the child be living with what the parents wanted to avoid? UNWANTED emotions? A lost bound?

That is what leads me to disagree with you. Because thats the way i see it.

If you want to debate with me, point me whats wrong in my arguments according to my own analysis. MY analysis. Show me the "why" and the "why not" inside my own arguments. And then, comparing to yours, from your own analysis.

manganimefan227 02-03-2010 02:13 AM

Deep . . .

iPhantom 02-03-2010 03:29 PM

@JasonTakeshi: Are you nuts? Do you know anything about parents-kids relationship? Parents primary concern is their child's life not their happiness.

Go ask your parents if you're in doubt. They'll be surprised how you don't know such a basic thing.

JasonTakeshi 02-03-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 798251)
@JasonTakeshi: Are you nuts? Do you know anything about parents-kids relationship? Parents primary concern is their child's life not their happiness.

Go ask your parents if you're in doubt. They'll be surprised how you don't know such a basic thing.

You didn't even bother to read what i've wrote, did you?

Anyway, i wont go any farther. You're obviously trolling now.


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