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hitotsz 02-07-2010 03:37 AM

What does the average Japanese think of Koreans?
 
Just wondering. I was thinking Japan thought of Korea as insignificant until the Winter Sonata became popular?

MMM 02-07-2010 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitotsz (Post 798818)
Just wondering. I was thinking Japan thought of Korea as insignificant until the Winter Sonata became popular?

These sorts of questions never end nicely. A question like this is so broad, there is no correct answer.

What does the average American think of the British?

It's a generalization of a generalization.

And I don't think people in Japan have ever thought of Korea as "insignificant" either before or after Winter Sonata.

Sashimister 02-07-2010 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitotsz (Post 798818)
Just wondering. I was thinking Japan thought of Korea as insignificant until the Winter Sonata became popular?

One TV drama changing an advance nation with 130 million people?

lol You'd make a good tabloid reporter!

hitotsz 02-07-2010 04:36 AM

i retract that sweeping conjecture

manganimefan227 02-07-2010 04:55 AM

Are you asking for a political opinion?

hitotsz 02-07-2010 05:19 AM

i'm Korean, and in my experience, there is some (substantial perhaps) anti-Japanese feelings (mostly older generation, i think) in Korea, but also lots of otaku who love everything about Japan, and don't care about past history. Also i think a lot of Koreans think that Japan is cool because of their technology like shinkansen.

Are many Japanese aware that there are some anti-Japanese feelings among Koreans?

Also I wonder what the Japanese are taught regarding the colonization of Korea? do they think it was good, bad, both, or don't care?

Also, in my experience vast majority of Westerners seem to be 100x more interested in Japan and China, esp. Japan, than in Korea and think that Korea is extremely uninteresting country and think that "there's nothing there." I was wondering if many people of Japan thought similarly?

sorry if these topics are taboo, i feel bad bringing it up but i've been curious for long time.

btw i've been living in America for a long time n i think that Americans think British are cool: their accent, technologically advanced, their currency is worth more.

Nyororin 02-07-2010 06:09 AM

There is a level of anti-Korean sentiment in Japan. I don`t really think it`s usually directed at the average Korean person - but more at statements and actions of those in positions of power... And of course, it seems like the media on both sides is good at making mountains out of mole hills.

In general, to be honest, most people don`t really care all that much. There are extremes where they hate Korea and Koreans, and the other end where they love Korea and anything Korean like crazy... But I would say the majority falls in the middle.

I actually want to point out that the example of Winter Sonata is actually not that far from the truth. Not that people thought of Korea as insignificant, but more that they didn`t think of it much to begin with. (There is a difference between thinking something isn`t worth thinking about, and just not having reason to think of it.) With the popularity of Winter Sonata and other Korean dramas - I think that it has driven home the fact that Korean people aren`t all that much different than Japanese. I think it is completely possible that there were people who didn`t think well of Korea but who changed their opinions on seeing popular media. Just looking at government and hearing reports of the extreme ends doesn`t give an accurate image of the real people.

I was personally more interested in Korea than in Japan when I started being interested in Asia - one of my childhood friends was from Korea, and I spent a fair chunk of my childhood at her house. I had planned to study in Japan and then study Korean in Korea - but, well, I fell in love and got married in Japan so that plan was never fulfilled.

Anyway, to answer the direct questions;

Quote:

Are many Japanese aware that there are some anti-Japanese feelings among Koreans?
Very much so. The media, along with the Korean community in Japan, makes it impossible not to know.

Quote:

Also I wonder what the Japanese are taught regarding the colonization of Korea? do they think it was good, bad, both, or don't care?
Textbooks are generally fairly neutral - there were good intentions behind part of it, but it`s never good to do that sort of thing, etc... Mostly just the facts and figures are presented without a whole lot of opinion inserted. If there is a story representing it positively, there is one balancing it with the negative results of the colonization. I don`t really think there is anyone who thinks it was good, but I am sure there are plenty of people who think that it was partially good (in terms of modernizing Korea - such as rail systems, medicine, and education).

Quote:

I was wondering if many people of Japan thought similarly?
Korea is far too close to Japan for people to be oblivious of it`s culture and history. It`s probably the most popular holiday destination for Japanese tourists, and has a good reputation. Definitely not a feeling of "nothing there".

fatalbert130 02-07-2010 03:35 PM

Many Japanese are not interested in Korea.

A Korean movie and the drama are not popular in Japan so that it is reported in Korea.

I do not teach the relation with Korea as for the history education in the Japanese compulsory education very much at school.
I think that there is much one teaching a relation with China from Korea.



I registered myself with Enjoykorea (enjoyjapan) of NAVER.
I know performed many disputes there.


Probably I think that a participant of Japanforum is not interested in this topic.

TalnSG 02-07-2010 06:54 PM

I would expect the interest to vary greatly with the generation, interests and location of the person.

Bae Yong Jun and Winter Sonata seem to have had some positive impact along with some K-Pop artists and K-dramas on mostly the younger generation.

The issue of Zainichi and more ancient ties between the two countries should would be expected to raise issues with acheologists and historians, and others with interest in history and political ramifications. But if the Japanese are anything like most Americans, its more background information than something that determines their relationships.

And while those on or near Dokdo/Takeshima are highly attuned to the issue of the island's ownership and are very vocal about each others nationality, I doubt it consumes much interest for the rest of the Japanese on a daily basis.

However, when questioned specifically about international relations, most people have a surge of opinions. While they may be deep seated, often they are not something that greatly influences them in the course of their every day lives.

ShiroiHana 02-07-2010 08:16 PM

Well, interesting posts! ^^

shinagawa 02-07-2010 08:50 PM

ここで聞くような質問じゃないでしょ。

hitotsz 02-07-2010 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinagawa (Post 798944)
ここで聞くような質問じゃないでしょ。(it's not something to ask here)

それではどこで問わなければなりませんか (Then where do I have to ask?)

shinagawa 02-08-2010 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hitotsz (Post 798967)
それではどこで問わなければなりませんか (Then where do I have to ask?)

Yahoo Japan!みたいに利用者が多くて、自分で質問調査を作成出 来る場所。
ここみたいに日本人より外国人がたくさんいる所で、「 平均的な日本人は韓国人
をどう考えているのか?」と質問して、皆真剣に答えら れると思う?「知りたけれ
ば、我々外国人じゃなく、日本人に直接聞けば?」と思 うでしょ。

DJnohara 02-09-2010 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 798823)
These sorts of questions never end nicely. A question like this is so broad, there is no correct answer.

What does the average American think of the British?

It's a generalization of a generalization.

And I don't think people in Japan have ever thought of Korea as "insignificant" either before or after Winter Sonata.

I was thinking the same thing about it being a bit over generalizing.

I understand it's a big concern (the relation between Korea and Japan), but the only answer is to just interact with each other and develop an understanding. Culture are different. but people are people. Older generations on both sides tend to be less accepting than younger generations, but don't let that get to you.
If anyone is a racist bukaik, then it's their problem.

manganimefan227 02-09-2010 01:46 AM

Ugh, Why is it so FREAKIN hard to get people to understand that some people have different ways of doing things then they do?!

hitotsz 02-09-2010 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinagawa (Post 799033)
Yahoo Japan!みたいに利用者が多くて、自分で質問調査を作成出 来る場所。
ここみたいに日本人より外国人がたくさんいる所で、「 平均的な日本人は韓国人
をどう考えているのか?」と質問して、皆真剣に答えら れると思う?「知りたけれ
ば、我々外国人じゃなく、日本人に直接聞けば?」と思 うでしょ。

I don't know how to ask in Yahoo! Japan, but I suppose I should ask on 2chan.

Nyororin 02-09-2010 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitotsz (Post 799240)
I don't know how to ask in Yahoo! Japan, but I suppose I should ask on 2chan.

Only do so if you want to hear the responses of the vocal minority, who will jump on your question like a mad pack of dogs to spread racist hate.

MMM 02-09-2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitotsz (Post 799240)
I don't know how to ask in Yahoo! Japan, but I suppose I should ask on 2chan.

I agree with Nyororin. There is nothing accurate or scientific to be gained from 2chan.

hitotsz 02-09-2010 01:58 PM

Can somebody teach me how to ask on sites like Yahoo! Japan?

shinagawa 02-09-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitotsz (Post 799304)
Can somebody teach me how to ask on sites like Yahoo! Japan?

Yahoo! Japanの調査質問は有料だった。無料だったら、どうなの.ねっとだったり、
mixiには質問調査を設置出来る機能があるけ ど、どれも会員登録しないといけない。
他のも多分会員登録が必要だろう。念の為、複数で質問 調査してみると良いかもし
れないね。


はあーDJnoharaさんみたいに、第三者の立場で無知な人の
こういった投稿(俺にとっては吐き気を催す投稿)や、Josh Aus
sieさんの投稿みた いに韓国人にとってあまり良くない投稿が
出てくる前に、hitotszさんに早めに 相応しい場所に移動して
もらいたかったんだけどね。

Jaydelart 02-09-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshAussie (Post 799058)
I heard all sorts of things about Korea and Plastic Surgery. I might have even had an interest in the country if it weren't for that.

Not just Korea; It seems Asia, in general, is at a phase where plastic surgery isn't so uncommon in the entertainment industries--especially for females. But sometimes within that fact, people assume every attractive person they see has had plastic surgery... which is not only untrue but can be insulting, as it has underlying implications (intentional or not) that there can't be naturally beautiful Asian people.

Regardless, that's a lame reason to not-have an interest in any country and culture.

Trinket 02-09-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 799336)
Not just Korea; It seems Asia, in general, is at a phase where plastic surgery isn't so uncommon in the entertainment industries, especially for females. But sometimes within that fact, people assume every really attractive person they see has had plastic surgery... which can be insulting, as it has underlying implications (intentional or not) that there can't be naturally beautiful Asian people.

Regardless, that's a lame reason to not-have an interest in any country and culture.

That's a very good point Jay. However, take note that most celebrities and people all over the world are into plastic survey these days not just Asia. I read an article just the other day about how people in Lebanon can get a loan for plastic surgery! When it comes down to it though I don't see the problem, yeah sure some people take it out of control but tweaking yourself here and there to raise your self esteem what's the issue? It doesn't necessarily mean their beauty is fake it's just expensive. Lol

alanX 02-09-2010 07:39 PM

I don't know what the average Japanese person thinks about Koreans, but pretty much every one of my Japanese friends dislike Koreans and or Chinese.

Jaydelart 02-09-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 799363)
I don't know what the average Japanese person thinks about Koreans, but pretty much every one of my Japanese friends dislike Koreans and or Chinese.

Did they happen to say why?

Ronin4hire 02-10-2010 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 799369)
Did they happen to say why?

They're racist thats why :mtongue:

Ronin4hire 02-10-2010 05:28 AM

In all seriousness though. Perhaps the reason that nobody can answer this question is because perhaps the question is flawed.

I would like to hear from the original poster what it means to be Japanese or Korean and to define these people explicitly.

Jaydelart 02-10-2010 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 799412)
In all seriousness though. Perhaps the reason that nobody can answer this question is because perhaps the question is flawed.

I would like to hear from the original poster what it means to be Japanese or Korean and to define these people explicitly.

Good point.

It occurred to me that there might be a big difference between the general attitudes of the western-born Asian and the native-born Asian. I wouldn't be surprised if this is more a cultural issue than it is a racial one.

fatalbert130 02-10-2010 08:08 AM

参考として

韓国人は日本人をどう思っているか | OKWave

MMM 02-10-2010 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 799417)
Good point.

It occurred to me that there might be a big difference between the general attitudes of the western-born Asian and the native-born Asian. I wouldn't be surprised if this is more a cultural issue than it is a racial one.

The rabbit hole just gets deeper...

I don't think we can excuse racism as a "cultural issue" in any culture unless we excuse it all cultures.

We may be able to understand the roots of racist mindsets, but regardless of the roots, making negative judgments of individuals based solely on their country of birth is racism.

I think Japanese disliking Koreans for being Koreans is just as deplorable as Whites disliking Blacks for being Blacks.

alanX 02-12-2010 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 799369)
Did they happen to say why?

EDIT: I removed what I wrote and will send it to you PM, don't want to be the reason this thread gets closed.

Nevermind, your PM mailbox is full.
But basically they just made stereotypical classifications about Koreans/Chinese.
Same thing that some whites do to blacks, for example.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 799411)
They're racist thats why :mtongue:

Quite possible could be this as well.

I take it as the Japanese having a sense of pride for their heritage and ethnicity, (with good reason) not necessarily "racism."

But that's just me.

MMM 02-12-2010 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanX (Post 799638)
EDIT: I removed what I wrote and will send it to you PM, don't want to be the reason this thread gets closed.

Nevermind, your PM mailbox is full.
But basically they just made stereotypical classifications about Koreans/Chinese.
Same thing that some whites do to blacks, for example.



Quite possible could be this as well.

I take it as the Japanese having a sense of pride for their heritage and ethnicity, (with good reason) not necessarily "racism."

But that's just me.

Did you see my last post?

Excusing Japanese hating Koreans as "Japanese pride" is like excusing Whites hating Blacks as "White pride". Racism is racism. Doesn't matter the root or the target.

alanX 02-12-2010 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 799639)
Did you see my last post?

Excusing Japanese hating Koreans as "Japanese pride" is like excusing Whites hating Blacks as "White pride". Racism is racism. Doesn't matter the root or the target.

Classifying someone as something, solely based on their ethnicity is racism, yes, I agree.
But people can be prideful of their ethnicity without being racist, in my opinion that is.

MMM 02-12-2010 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanX (Post 799640)
Classifying someone as something, solely based on their ethnicity is racism, yes, I agree.
But people can be prideful of their ethnicity without being racist, in my opinion that is.

I agree. I am totally for national pride, just not at the expense of other peoples.

You are the one that said the Japanese you know dislike Koreans and Chinese.

alanX 02-12-2010 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 799641)
I agree. I am totally for national pride, just not at the expense of other peoples.

You are the one that said the Japanese you know dislike Koreans and Chinese.

Then I guess you could say they are racist.

MMM 02-12-2010 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanX (Post 799642)
Then I guess you could say they are racist.

I would say anyone that dislikes or degrades any person based solely on his or her race or country or origin is acting racist.

alanX 02-12-2010 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 799644)
I would say anyone that dislikes or degrades any person based solely on his or her race or country or origin is acting racist.

I'd agree to that.

peterv20 02-13-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 799336)
Not just Korea; It seems Asia, in general, is at a phase where plastic surgery isn't so uncommon in the entertainment industries--especially for females. But sometimes within that fact, people assume every attractive person they see has had plastic surgery... which is not only untrue but can be insulting, as it has underlying implications (intentional or not) that there can't be naturally beautiful Asian people.

Regardless, that's a lame reason to not-have an interest in any country and culture.

this reminds me of a play about an asian woman living in new york with her two teenage daughters.this mother then has plastic surgery on her eyes to look more western.she said she had to for work.yet at the same time she contantly hounds her girls about heritage,heritage,don't forget your heritage!i think the play was called "the two lies".

manganimefan227 02-13-2010 09:12 PM

Next thing you know the weeaboos will want to have shiny eyes and arms and legs the lengh of only two to four pocky sticks and boobs the size of pineapples!

Seriously, Respect your body, stay away from the needles!

johndo01 02-23-2010 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 798846)
There is a level of anti-Korean sentiment in Japan. I don`t really think it`s usually directed at the average Korean person - but more at statements and actions of those in positions of power... And of course, it seems like the media on both sides is good at making mountains out of mole hills.

In general, to be honest, most people don`t really care all that much. There are extremes where they hate Korea and Koreans, and the other end where they love Korea and anything Korean like crazy... But I would say the majority falls in the middle.

I actually want to point out that the example of Winter Sonata is actually not that far from the truth. Not that people thought of Korea as insignificant, but more that they didn`t think of it much to begin with. (There is a difference between thinking something isn`t worth thinking about, and just not having reason to think of it.) With the popularity of Winter Sonata and other Korean dramas - I think that it has driven home the fact that Korean people aren`t all that much different than Japanese. I think it is completely possible that there were people who didn`t think well of Korea but who changed their opinions on seeing popular media. Just looking at government and hearing reports of the extreme ends doesn`t give an accurate image of the real people.

I was personally more interested in Korea than in Japan when I started being interested in Asia - one of my childhood friends was from Korea, and I spent a fair chunk of my childhood at her house. I had planned to study in Japan and then study Korean in Korea - but, well, I fell in love and got married in Japan so that plan was never fulfilled.

Anyway, to answer the direct questions;



Very much so. The media, along with the Korean community in Japan, makes it impossible not to know.



Textbooks are generally fairly neutral - there were good intentions behind part of it, but it`s never good to do that sort of thing, etc... Mostly just the facts and figures are presented without a whole lot of opinion inserted. If there is a story representing it positively, there is one balancing it with the negative results of the colonization. I don`t really think there is anyone who thinks it was good, but I am sure there are plenty of people who think that it was partially good (in terms of modernizing Korea - such as rail systems, medicine, and education).



Korea is far too close to Japan for people to be oblivious of it`s culture and history. It`s probably the most popular holiday destination for Japanese tourists, and has a good reputation. Definitely not a feeling of "nothing there".


as a Canadian from the eastern part of my country(French speaking part) the only thing I knew about Korea was the war in the 1950's, for the rest I've never been really interested in Korea probably because we don't hear much about it except for the crap guy from the North Korea, but for South Korea I don't know much I only know that if you call some Japanese "Korean" they don't look at you very pleasently that I can understand because when I went to Japan I've been taken for an American that I don't really appreciate because I am not and it means people only see a white guy speaking English so they think you're American :( it\'s sad situation but it\'s like that. I would like to know more about Korea but I haven\'t find anyting that is making me interested enough to learn more about it, I was interested in China before but by being with some of them in real life I\'ve started to not be too much interested by them, their way of living is not mine and don\'t feel in good with it. Japanese in another way I have not much trouble with it except that it\'s way too expensive there :slol

siokan 02-23-2010 08:44 AM

There may be many people disliking Korea on the Internet.

Most Japanese are not interested in Korea.
If there is it, it will be delicious Korean food and a trip to Korea.


hitotsz
Let\'s talk about Ahn Jung-Hwan than such a thing!!!:D


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