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Sitron 04-02-2010 09:10 PM

Most Japanophile nations
 
Which countries do you think have the most weeaboos (adjusted for population of course). In my home country Norway, we're starting to get a lot of weeaboos the past years, mostly due to anime, manga, and the fact that there's hardly any culture here.

Norway still is far, far behind France when it comes to Japanophilia though. As a French learner, I'm amazed by the sheer amount of loli worshipping, fansubbed japanese entertainment, and the massive amount of manga they have. There's actually more manga titles in France than in America. Which is quite ironic, when you consider how popular France and French culture is in Japan.

yuujirou 04-02-2010 11:46 PM

hum..... that's kinda hard to saaay...
which country has the largest population of teens? o.o'

manganimefan227 04-02-2010 11:51 PM

Haha :P

Let's hope they actually learn the language instead of just the name add-ons (suffixes?) and know how to use desu!

But here's a point, a question to bring up:

If 4Kids was ruled over by weeaboos and Otakus, would it be as good as Funimation?

RickOShay 04-03-2010 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sitron (Post 806773)
Which countries do you think have the most weeaboos (adjusted for population of course). In my home country Norway, we're starting to get a lot of weeaboos the past years, mostly due to anime, manga, and the fact that there's hardly any culture here.

Norway still is far, far behind France when it comes to Japanophilia though. As a French learner, I'm amazed by the sheer amount of loli worshipping, fansubbed japanese entertainment, and the massive amount of manga they have. There's actually more manga titles in France than in America. Which is quite ironic, when you consider how popular France and French culture is in Japan.

Are we trying to get the "final solution" organized here?

MissMisa 04-05-2010 08:42 AM

I'd probably say America.

England is probably rising, but the general population certainly would not know what anime, jrock, manga, lolita, decora blah blah blah is. Let alone like any of it. Our biggest manga convention thingy only has 1200 people at maximum.

JasonTakeshi 04-05-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by manganimefan227 (Post 806785)
Haha :P

Let's hope they actually learn the language instead of just the name add-ons (suffixes?) and know how to use desu!

But here's a point, a question to bring up:

If 4Kids was ruled over by weeaboos and Otakus, would it be as good as Funimation?

Weeaboos? No.

Otakus? Yes.

Sashimister 04-05-2010 01:50 PM

On a per capita basis, I would have to say Taiwan and Singapore.

DanielSheen 04-05-2010 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by harrisonsan (Post 807101)
Funny I've never heard of the term weeaboos. I'm guessing it means "fans of Japanese culture"?

Anyways I had no idea that france and norway were populated by people like that! I had thought that only US was like that.


No its not just a fan, its a ignorant fan.

Someone who is ignorant of the culture. Uses the only little bit of language they know "kawaii, desu, ne" and uses it in all the wrong areas and over uses it.

They also seem to belive that Japan is a magical land of pocky, ramune, matcha and anime. And that everyone is a cute little school girl that runs around and giggles.


Some people belive that someone who is over obsessed with anime or manga is a weeaboo but I belive thats just a insult to someone who loves anime and manga. What makes it a weeaboo is the fact that they may be obsessed but are also very ignorant to the culture and language.

willgoestocollege 07-17-2010 04:18 AM

I think a Japanophile are more interested in traditional Japanese culture and willing to learn more of the language than a weeaboo. Daniel is correct on what weeaboos are.

Tsuwabuki 07-17-2010 04:55 AM

:|

When you simply can't express your dismay, there is always facepalm. Know your meme.

Weeaboo developed on 4chan, and was a word filter for Wapanese, itself a play on the fairly offensive Whigger, and referred to those that prefered Japanese culture over their own culture.

The term originally was chosen as a wordfilter in 2003 after appearing in this comic:



I was present for these events under another pseudonym, as it was right in the middle of my college career, and I was most certainly far more weeaboo than I am now, ironically.

Now, it applies to anyone who is more than the most casual of anime viewer. If all you do is watch ghibli films when Disney releases them, you're not a weeaboo. The word is an attempt to answer the "badge of honor" appropriation that otaku has now become (they're both derogatory, which is why people who like the word otaku and dislike the word weeaboo make me lol).

You're involved in a conversation about the definition of weeaboo? You're a weeaboo. Myself included.

WingsToDiscovery 07-17-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsuwabuki (Post 820236)

You're involved in a conversation about the definition of weeaboo? You're a weeaboo. Myself included.

Hey, speak for yourself:D

I mentioned this in another thread, but after talking to my mother about coming to Japan, the first thing she said was "You're not going to turn into one of those anime losers, are you?"

The bad thing is though is that she's someone who knows absolutely nothing about Japanese culture, yet even she has a rough knowledge of the weaboo phenomenon in America. I mean, the "animetards" are the kids we (football and lacrosse team) used to haze in high school, but this was back when there weren't that many of them. Now I walk into regular stores and see pocky and manga for sale :eek:

So I actually resent the weaboos, japanophiles, otakus, whatever you want to call them. They're the reason why I used to hate telling people I was studying business to move to Japan. I didn't want to get lumped into the losers category. I've gotten over that now, but I still either get people who look at me weird, like "Oh, god, he's one of those people..." or "OMG YOUR GOING TO JAPAN!?!? I WANNA MOVE THEIR AND MAKE VIDEOGAMES!!desu"

Tsuwabuki 07-17-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 820266)
Hey, speak for yourself:D

You're here, aren't you? Proof enough for me. Fair warning, I am now in rant mode.

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I mentioned this in another thread, but after talking to my mother about coming to Japan, the first thing she said was "You're not going to turn into one of those anime losers, are you?"
Your mother sounds like a regular Mother Theresa...

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The bad thing is though is that she's someone who knows absolutely nothing about Japanese culture, yet even she has a rough knowledge of the weaboo phenomenon in America. I mean, the "animetards" are the kids we (football and lacrosse team) used to haze in high school, but this was back when there weren't that many of them. Now I walk into regular stores and see pocky and manga for sale :eek:
My mother likes Maison Ikkoku and Read or Die, sounds like your mother wouldn't be a fan of mine, despite the fact mine is probably older and is by all accounts successful in her career field and fairly "normal."

As for the rest, sounds like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You're one of the jerks that made high school a living hell for anyone who wasn't athletic or popular. You could have set an example and risen above the cruelty teenagers often inflict upon each other, but, alas, no, you didn't. Ironic you made fun of that which you became.

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So I actually resent the weaboos, japanophiles, otakus, whatever you want to call them. They're the reason why I used to hate telling people I was studying business to move to Japan. I didn't want to get lumped into the losers category. I've gotten over that now, but I still either get people who look at me weird, like "Oh, god, he's one of those people..." or "OMG YOUR GOING TO JAPAN!?!? I WANNA MOVE THEIR AND MAKE VIDEOGAMES!!desu"
Do you have any idea how childish your post sounds? Many of us "losers" have gone on to pretty amazing things. Among my group of high school weeaboo people like you picked on are business owners and a telecom executive.

I was most definitely a weeaboo in high school and college, and probably still am. I, however, have met two US Presidents, one Secretary of State, one Secretary of the Navy, regularly reported on various politicians across all levels of government, traveled three continents, seven countries, lived in three, was an officer candidate in the US Navy (and may continue my commissioning path shortly), and have a healthy bank account.

I also have a job I do because I love it, even if many people don't take it seriously, and count myself blessed each day I get paid to do what I love.

Oh yeah, some loser I am. :mad:

dogsbody70 07-17-2010 02:10 PM

I have never heard that expression before. fascinating.

Aniki 07-17-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by willgoestocollege (Post 820231)
I think a Japanophile are more interested in traditional Japanese culture and willing to learn more of the language than a weeaboo.

True. People tend think that Japanophiles and weaboos are one and the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Tsuwabuki (Post 820269)
Do you have any idea how childish your post sounds?

And your sounds mature?

Tsuwabuki 07-17-2010 08:38 PM

No, but mine had an intentional tone of indignation. I can't stand high school bullies.

willgoestocollege 07-17-2010 10:29 PM

I don't understand. It seems that some people who have a good interest in Japan are getting picked on at school, why is that? I always wanted to travel since I was little. Japan is one of many places in the world I want to visit.

manganimefan227 07-17-2010 11:00 PM

The kids who make fun of Japaan lovers cannot understand the obsession us proud fans have!

Aniki 07-17-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by willgoestocollege (Post 820326)
I don't understand. It seems that some people who have a good interest in Japan are getting picked on at school, why is that? I always wanted to travel since I was little. Japan is one of many places in the world I want to visit.

Liking Japan and wanting to travel to it is a good thing. Getting obsessed over Japanese people after watching bunch of animes, reading manga, or listening to j-rock, then after awhile, getting delusional thoughts that you were a Japanese in your previous life and thinking that Japan is the promised land...is bad thing. It's our job to bring back the minds of these stray sheep back to that dreadful place called reality, otherwise they will be taken away by men in white coats.

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Originally Posted by manganimefan227 (Post 820328)
The kids who make fun of Japaan lovers cannot understand the obsession us proud fans have!

Another thing we don't understand are your incomprehensible posts.

Megabyte117 07-18-2010 12:05 AM

Meh, I just find those that take it to the next extreme, to be insufferable. It's totally fine to be passionate about it, just don't be "in-your-face" kind. The anime kids at my school are very much like that, and I found it to be disconcerting.

Jaydelart 07-18-2010 12:51 AM

I leave the "otakus" to themselves. Especially the foreign versions.
It's not entirely my thing... but, at the same time, I don't blame them for being as ignorantly obssessive as most of them seem to be. It's not like the Japanese are particularly determined to clear up all the fanaticism that has developed, either. And in fact, they may be inclined to feed into it in some aspects.

... But, I digress. Whatever the case, I expect to find radicals in every society. Anime crazies aren't a big issue to me. And I'm almost absolutely certain a majority of Japanese natives think they're weird too.

Of course, I have my thing, and they have theirs.
In the end, my opinion only counts for so much. It's a shame sometimes... But I'm more comfortable minding my own business, as long as they do themselves.

WingsToDiscovery 07-18-2010 04:24 AM

You're here, aren't you? Proof enough for me. Fair warning, I am now in rant mode.

I've openly expressed I originally signed up for future consultation during my stay in Japan. I've actually just met a few decent people (enough to stick around and chat to) amongst the many "im 15 and hate america, can i move to nippon?!?" threads.



You're one of the jerks that made high school a living hell for anyone who wasn't athletic or popular. You could have set an example and risen above the cruelty teenagers often inflict upon each other, but, alas, no, you didn't. Ironic you made fun of that which you became.

Dude, I'll be the first to admit I was a dick in high school. I made mistakes. I picked on kids who didn't deserve it. But I was a kid, and I was immature. I just didn't get what would drive some kids to act like such socially retarded introverts. Obviously not everyone was like this. I didn't pick on the entire school. I even knew some cool people who enjoyed anime. But the wannabe Japanese, jpop listening, pocky eating dorks didn't compute with me. Would I take it back? Sure.


Do you have any idea how childish your post sounds? Many of us "losers" have gone on to pretty amazing things. Among my group of high school weeaboo people like you picked on are business owners and a telecom executive.


I guess you had your head buried deep in your notebook drawing crappy anime figures while the teacher was up at the board explaining what "outliers" are.

I was most definitely a weeaboo in high school and college, and probably still am. I, however, have met two US Presidents, one Secretary of State, one Secretary of the Navy, regularly reported on various politicians across all levels of government, traveled three continents, seven countries, lived in three, was an officer candidate in the US Navy (and may continue my commissioning path shortly), and have a healthy bank account.

I also have a job I do because I love it, even if many people don't take it seriously, and count myself blessed each day I get paid to do what I love.

Oh yeah, some loser I am.


You can go ahead and put your e-peen back in your pants now. If other self proclaimed weaboos put even half of that passion you just showed into their own lives, maybe they wouldn't get such a hard time. I could easily type a similar list of "credentials," and I'm in my early twenties. Why? Because I embraced life as it came instead of questioning why nobody understands me as I sat in my bedroom of my townhouse in middle-class white suburbia like so many weaboos out there.

**Sorry about the italics. I'm in a stupid PC to Mac transition and don't know the short cut or how to copy/paste with a one-click mouse yet. :D

JasonTakeshi 07-18-2010 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsuwabuki (Post 820321)
No, but mine had an intentional tone of indignation. I can't stand high school bullies.


I guess that someone got bullied when he was in high school.

WingsToDiscovery 07-18-2010 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Aniki (Post 820335)
Liking Japan and wanting to travel to it is a good thing. Getting obsessed over Japanese people after watching bunch of animes, reading manga, or listening to j-rock, then after awhile, getting delusional thoughts that you were a Japanese in your previous life and thinking that Japan is the promised land...is bad thing. It's our job to bring back the minds of these stray sheep back to that dreadful place called reality, otherwise they will be taken away by men in white coats.

This is my complete stance. Liking Japan and traveling is one thing.

Wanting to renounce your native citizenship to become part of a country you've never been to is another.

Tsuwabuki 07-18-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 820362)
I've openly expressed I originally signed up for future consultation during my stay in Japan. I've actually just met a few decent people (enough to stick around and chat to) amongst the many "im 15 and hate america, can i move to nippon?!?" threads.

I meant in a conversation debating the definition of weeaboo. That's pretty darn weeaboo.

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Dude, I'll be the first to admit I was a dick in high school. I made mistakes. I picked on kids who didn't deserve it. But I was a kid, and I was immature. I just didn't get what would drive some kids to act like such socially retarded introverts. Obviously not everyone was like this. I didn't pick on the entire school. I even knew some cool people who enjoyed anime. But the wannabe Japanese, jpop listening, pocky eating dorks didn't compute with me. Would I take it back? Sure.
I've never wanted to be Japanese. I still don't. Probably even more now that I live here. But I was a huge fan of j-pop and still am, although most of this crowd has never heard of the groups I listened to, and still listen to, given that it was the nineties. And what you may not have realised is that just because they were introverts in school didn't mean they didn't have a social life outside of school. Maybe they didn't hang out with you because you never gave them a chance?

I'm glad you regret your actions. It sounded like you didn't, and that was what pissed me off and put me into rant mode. If you're contrite, then I accept that, and I'll back off. Just know that you still had a choice, as we all did, not to bow to peer pressure. Just because teenagers don't have a deep well of experience with which to draw good decisions from doesn't mean that the choice between right and wrong is completely foreign to them.

I like teenagers, a lot, which is why I am in secondary education. My job is not just to teach a subject, but to help deepen and broaden that experience well so my students make better decisions than either of us apparently did.

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I guess you had your head buried deep in your notebook drawing crappy anime figures while the teacher was up at the board explaining what "outliers" are.
This is what makes me question if your regret is genuine. That comment is totally uncalled for. Actually, I have always sucked at drawing, and so no, I didn't. I also am well acquainted with what outliers are, thank you, and the definition is not as applicable here as you would like it to be.

Actually, most of the weeaboos I know have gone on to successful careers. Most of the creme de la cream of the high school social scene? Well there are those that succeeded by talent, of course, those who succeeded by money, those who succeeded by beauty. Those that had none of of those? They still work in minimum wage jobs in the same town that we went to high school in. It's awkward running into them when I visit my parents in the States and run errands. And yeah, sometimes I feel guilty for not feeling guilty that I am doing better than they are.

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You can go ahead and put your e-peen back in your pants now. If other self proclaimed weaboos put even half of that passion you just showed into their own lives, maybe they wouldn't get such a hard time. I could easily type a similar list of "credentials," and I'm in my early twenties. Why? Because I embraced life as it came instead of questioning why nobody understands me as I sat in my bedroom of my townhouse in middle-class white suburbia like so many weaboos out there.
Oh, we're not even in e-peen territory yet. My point is that you drew a very broad picture of anime fandom that is so condescending, so dismissive, and so inaccurate in many cases, that I was exceedingly offended at your choice of words. I'm glad you were successful, and I am glad you seem to recognise that your decision to be abusive to your peers was not a good one.

Anime and manga never made me want to become Japanese, but it did inspire me to become like the characters I enjoyed watching and reading about. And I did. I came to Japan for the money, but anime and manga made it easier to come. It's also something I said I would do in high school that people like your earlier self didn't believe I could manage to actually do. My ten year reunion is almost upon me, and now I'm curious to hear what those people have to say about it.

So before we start dismissing entire groups of people, and then actively and seriously degrading them, humiliating them, emotionally disturbing them, or even physically assaulting them, we should ask ourselves how we would feel if that was done to us.

Golden rule, people. It's not rocket science.

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**Sorry about the italics. I'm in a stupid PC to Mac transition and don't know the short cut or how to copy/paste with a one-click mouse yet. :D
In settings, mouse, you can set your middle dot or side buttons of the mighty mouse to be right click; that's what I do. I'm a mac user and would be happy to walk you through anything you need help with.

BT

And, yes, I was bullied in high school, and it has impacted my view of many things. My view on when to fight back, my view on the need to strong self-defense, my passion for defending civil rights and civil liberties, my willingness to die and kill in the name of freedom and democracy. The need to protect the weak and innocent from those that would prey upon them. My positive view of affirmative action, feminism, and restitution for previous ills by dominant hegemonies.

All of this started based on the microcosm of rule by might that exists in high school. I became a teacher because my teachers didn't do enough to enforce rules, set boundaries, or engage students in good civil behavior, with the exceptions of a few, who I remain in contact with and look to as examples of what a good role model should be.

There is not much more that can key me up and bring out my passion like bullies can. It is one of my life goals to prevent children from ever feeling they need to bully, by both addressing their own issues, and teaching them about how to properly treat others.

So I apologise for my own condescending tone in my response, and recognise I may have been overboard, but it is a subject that I am very passionate about, and is one of my trip wires. This discussion tripped it.

GregFromScotland 07-18-2010 02:09 PM

Mainly, I just hate people who butcher the Japanese language because they think they know best because they're biggest hobby is everything to do with japan.

I was in a bookstore once with a Japanese friend, someone over-heard her use the word sakura, and proceeded to tell my japanese friend that she was wrong and that it was pronounced a different way...

Horrible arguments persued afterwards.

Jaydelart 07-18-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi (Post 820363)
I guess that someone got bullied when he was in high school.

What was the point of that. lol

/troll

JasonTakeshi 07-19-2010 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsuwabuki (Post 820387)
I meant in a conversation debating the definition of weeaboo. That's pretty darn weeaboo.



I've never wanted to be Japanese. I still don't. Probably even more now that I live here. But I was a huge fan of j-pop and still am, although most of this crowd has never heard of the groups I listened to, and still listen to, given that it was the nineties. And what you may not have realised is that just because they were introverts in school didn't mean they didn't have a social life outside of school. Maybe they didn't hang out with you because you never gave them a chance?

I'm glad you regret your actions. It sounded like you didn't, and that was what pissed me off and put me into rant mode. If you're contrite, then I accept that, and I'll back off. Just know that you still had a choice, as we all did, not to bow to peer pressure. Just because teenagers don't have a deep well of experience with which to draw good decisions from doesn't mean that the choice between right and wrong is completely foreign to them.

I like teenagers, a lot, which is why I am in secondary education. My job is not just to teach a subject, but to help deepen and broaden that experience well so my students make better decisions than either of us apparently did.



This is what makes me question if your regret is genuine. That comment is totally uncalled for. Actually, I have always sucked at drawing, and so no, I didn't. I also am well acquainted with what outliers are, thank you, and the definition is not as applicable here as you would like it to be.

Actually, most of the weeaboos I know have gone on to successful careers. Most of the creme de la cream of the high school social scene? Well there are those that succeeded by talent, of course, those who succeeded by money, those who succeeded by beauty. Those that had none of of those? They still work in minimum wage jobs in the same town that we went to high school in. It's awkward running into them when I visit my parents in the States and run errands. And yeah, sometimes I feel guilty for not feeling guilty that I am doing better than they are.



Oh, we're not even in e-peen territory yet. My point is that you drew a very broad picture of anime fandom that is so condescending, so dismissive, and so inaccurate in many cases, that I was exceedingly offended at your choice of words. I'm glad you were successful, and I am glad you seem to recognise that your decision to be abusive to your peers was not a good one.

Anime and manga never made me want to become Japanese, but it did inspire me to become like the characters I enjoyed watching and reading about. And I did. I came to Japan for the money, but anime and manga made it easier to come. It's also something I said I would do in high school that people like your earlier self didn't believe I could manage to actually do. My ten year reunion is almost upon me, and now I'm curious to hear what those people have to say about it.

So before we start dismissing entire groups of people, and then actively and seriously degrading them, humiliating them, emotionally disturbing them, or even physically assaulting them, we should ask ourselves how we would feel if that was done to us.

Golden rule, people. It's not rocket science.



In settings, mouse, you can set your middle dot or side buttons of the mighty mouse to be right click; that's what I do. I'm a mac user and would be happy to walk you through anything you need help with.

BT

And, yes, I was bullied in high school, and it has impacted my view of many things. My view on when to fight back, my view on the need to strong self-defense, my passion for defending civil rights and civil liberties, my willingness to die and kill in the name of freedom and democracy. The need to protect the weak and innocent from those that would prey upon them. My positive view of affirmative action, feminism, and restitution for previous ills by dominant hegemonies.

All of this started based on the microcosm of rule by might that exists in high school. I became a teacher because my teachers didn't do enough to enforce rules, set boundaries, or engage students in good civil behavior, with the exceptions of a few, who I remain in contact with and look to as examples of what a good role model should be.

There is not much more that can key me up and bring out my passion like bullies can. It is one of my life goals to prevent children from ever feeling they need to bully, by both addressing their own issues, and teaching them about how to properly treat others.
So I apologise for my own condescending tone in my response, and recognise I may have been overboard, but it is a subject that I am very passionate about, and is one of my trip wires. This discussion tripped it.



Tsuwabuki 07-19-2010 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi (Post 820454)


JasonTakeshi 07-19-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 820423)
What was the point of that. lol

/troll

And what was the point of that?

And what is the point of this?


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