PM Yukio Hatoyama to resign
 

Yukio Hatoyama is stepping down as Prime Minister of Japan.

Japanese PM Yukio Hatoyama to resign - CNN.com

I was just about to start the thread. LOL

Well, I figured it out that this was about to happen, he promised the people from Okinawa one thing he didn't able to do. Not only he lost the seat of power, but also public's trust.

Japan can throw off one's responsibility out in the summit held in June if there is no responsible person in Japan. Japan can throw off one's responsibility out in the war that might be done in a Korean peninsula in June.

A remaining resource can be consumed domestically if it does so. There are a lot of incapable head that can be destroyed at any time in DPJ. There is a usage as incapacity if it is incapable. Japan need not be involved in the storm though the world is in stormy.

I'm more surprised that he expressed his resignation during the "obviously semi-rigged" South Korean regional election.

Japan needs a politician who resembles the late Roh Mu-hyeon.

You mean "there WON'T be a war in the Korean Peninsula.

he left his position after almost 9 month.. the last PM Aso Taro actually finish 1 year before leave the position.. o_0

Its interesting to see because he made such a turnaround from his campaign promises.

I was actually looking forward to a more independent Japan in foreign policy.

Also I really dont think the American presence there is justified like it is in South Korea.

Not only Japan and US,but also South Korea and Taiwan think American presence there is very important for them.
Even China might think it is important.Because American presence prevents many Japan Self-Defense Forces from being stationed there.

Being a South Korean myself, getting rid of the American military in Asia will make the whole region stable. As you know, any pro-American South Korean politician is a huge threat to South Korea but also to domestic Chinese and Japanese foreign policies. East Asia needs a stronger Russia, not America. America shouldn't be in the East Asian diplomatic picture.

Funny that I noticed this in South Korean news websites, they also blame PM Hatoyama for "pissing off" Russia.

Hopefully the next Japanese Prime Minister wouldn't offend Medvedev and Putin.

If not for the US military in the region then there is a real risk China could invade Taiwan and that North Korea could invade South Korea. I support getting rid of the US bases on Okinawa because the Okinawans overwhelmingly dont want them there but I recognise the practical need for US forces in East Asia.

As for what East Asia needs. What East Asia needs is a China that recognises and respects the soveriegnty of Taiwan as an independent nation-state (as well as Tibet), a North Korea that feeds its people and lets them speak freely and a Japan that can stand up to the United States.

I thought we have a "don't-comment-to-each-other" policy. Why are you the one who tries to reply first? This is the third time already.

Sorry to say, I don't really need to respect your opinion.

I have to say. I was right that you really have no clue about South Korea.

I never agreed to such a policy. You say something that I dont agree with then Ill respectfully challenge you. It is you that insists on taking my comments personally

Furthermore the topic isnt South Korea. Its US military presence in the region. :ywave:

I second to this, PRC don't recognize Taiwan as an independent state, this is the main reason why there is no Taiwan representative in the seats of U.N.

Many people are saying that North Korea should be destroyed, I highly disagree to that since most of the people there are uneducated when it comes to the outside of their own world, they shouldn't be destroyed or harmed, but they should be liberated from fallacy.

As for Japan, they should kick the U.S. out, for a Prime Minister, I think he should have chosen his own people than choosing the ones outside of his own country, Philippines kicked them out, so Japan should have the guts to do the same.

But look at the bright side of Yukio's resignation, there are very few politicians who has the dignity to accept their mistakes. At least he walks out of the seat of power honestly.

lol, there is no country call taiwan, there is only one call republic of china. :vsign:

Good luck with that dong-mu. :vsign: But what is a challenge that we will never agree? Is that really a challenge?

For a person who respects the United Nations (the current head of UN is a South Korean) so much, you do forget about South Korea very often in your discussion about North Korea or China. I find it ironic.

President Ma still calls Formosa (another name of this island), the Republic of China. Yet, the previous president who wanted Taiwanese Independence is in prison. A country that no democratic countries take seriously except for few small countries in Africa, South America and the Pacific.

Do Westerners really consider RoC (Taiwan) serious? Or are they following the doomsday cult of democracy like bunch of irrational people?

Please tell me where I neglected South Koreas role in my previous comment.

Ask any ACADEMIC and they will tell you that Taiwans grounds for independence are well founded. Most Western governments dont recognise Taiwan because China pays more than Taiwan. I think its bullshit but thats just the reality.

Haha.. the nationalist/fascist is calling Democracy a doomsday cult. Oh the irony.

Why does this have to be about "East versus West" anyway?

We get it... you prefer a Confuscious style autocracy to a Democracy. But you dont speak for Asia or South Korea... you only speak for yourself.

Go read your posts a year ago.

Citation needed.

You mean you are out of the reality because the Taiwanese independence movement WITHIN Formosa is officially dead because Chen SB is in prison ordered by the opposition party.

Thanks recognizing this island as an independent country but go over there and see the opposite.

Not an irony in my position.

That's how the West became strong: generate enemies.

I love how you assume people that makes some members here quite irritating and get you multiple bans. ;) Good show, Kiwi. :)

I get it... you prefer a Democracy to a Confuscious style autocracy. But you dont speak for the West... you only speak for yourself.

any ACADEMIC? did you CAP that just because you can't give names because they don't exist? :vsign:

the president of ROC himself stated that he does not want foreign intervention on the affair of the republic of china. and thanks for admitting that no country recognise Taiwan a country, they surrendered Hongkong and they will surely surrender Taiwan, we already know that.

The separatist faction knows the capitalist faction on the island already favour the beijing government even if they do not support immediate unification, they will resist any plans for independence with all their wealth, this is why the separatist are doing everything to damage trade, they are at war with the capitalist more than the nationalist at this point.

however, it may already be too late to change anything. even the DPP which has traditionally depended on seperatist vote, finds the position impossible to hold, the separatist vote only just isn't enough to make majority and win. not only does the KMT and PFP send delegation to the mainland now, even the DPP had to do so to survive in the current Taiwan political climate. DPP is under fire from separatist but the separatist got no one else to vote for, they have no chance of winning and must accept DPP's moderation toward the mainland.

No one here expects a hostile takeover of Taiwan, but I am sure no one sane will expect rebellion in Taiwan neither. if the Separatist does break rank and establish their own republic, the capitalist and nationalist will definitely suppress it as they have too much invested in the mainland, they just can't risk it. the result will look like northern ireland with the separatist turning to terrorism in an attempt to unified the island.

even DPP wouldn't want that, they know moderation is the only way to survive as a single entity, they don't have a green taiwan and a blue china actually becoming 2 entities...

I was speaking at a more fundamental level rather than making a commentary on the current situation i.e. the question as to when is a state considered independent.

(Interesting that you brought that up though... Relations between Taiwan and China resemble relations between 2 states more than anything else)

Taiwan meets all criteria required to be considered an independent nation EXCEPT recognition by other states (though even then it depends on which states you talk about).

Coming back to the issue of US armed forces in the area... The US forces keeps Chinese invasion off the table EVEN IF the seperatist faction becomes powerful again. (you see my point now? Wow you pro-China activists can use anything as a springboard for your rhetoric)

For my position on Taiwan see my statement replying to alinhoo... he may be a rude prick but at least he is a coherent rude prick and has something to add instead of trying to get back at me for some sworn vendetta that you have against me so I will continue to talk about that with him.

Regarding your post though... Do you even remember what this thread is about? Why do you insist on shifting the parameters of this discussion, or even what I said?

And finally... Yes I ONLY speak for myself... no shit. I never pretended otherwise.

You have a long history of offending others here. Not many people (but not all) have something positive to think about you anymore.

The last time I remember, some bogan intentionally replied to me for the first time in 8 months who believed that he "challenges" me when we already know that we will never agree on anything.

Sherlock, what's your point about that? If you are trying to point the obvious to offend somebody, you are doing something.

Well by "challenge" I mean expose your ideas as flawed.

Regarding this thread? I think my mission has been accomplished.

Seeya:ywave:

i have never heard of any independent state that state it would not join the UN, that it would not declare independence. in fact, as long as it does not declare independence, it is still part of China by default. :vsign:

there is no state, zero that recognises a republic of taiwan. some may recognises ROC instead of PRC as China, but none actually back a ROT.



US forces keep invasion off the table? sorry but there is no US troop in any part of China including Taiwan, the only country to have troop in Taiwan is my country: Singapore. This is a chinese affair, western troop are not even allow into Taiwan by the ROC government, are western countries still so delusional to not get the message? :ywave:

and what do you mean by pro-china as if we shouldn't be? ROC IS CHINA... you anti ROC racist. :mtongue:



if by accomplished, you mean by defeated in arguement yes it time you flee because you know your argument is full of shit. cya, loser. :ywave:

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akinkhoo, I will tell you right now these sorts of personal attack arguments will not be tolerated here.

You are new, so I give you the benefit of the doubt. However discussions here need to stay on topic and not be reduced to name-calling.

If that cannot be done then resolutions will be made by the mods here.

Perhaps you have bad English? When I speak of Taiwan I am of course referring to the ROC. If your beef is simply because I didnt use the official name for the state of Taiwan then too bad for you.

Anyway I said Taiwan had GROUNDS for independence. That it met all the criteria for being and independent state EXCEPT for recognition. (Their own armed forces, economy, political system etc.)

I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about US forces in the East Asian region. In fact I dont think I ever implied that US forces were in Taiwan.

ROC (Taiwan) is not PRC (China).

Anyway to close I just want to share an article with you

China retaliates over US arms sales to Taiwan | World news | guardian.co.uk

If Taiwan is a part of China then China really sucks at keeping its shit together.

Compare what Ronin did last year to some others (and got multple bans), akinkhoo didn't do anything wrong.

You mean you proved that you are a Sinophobic racist? Good call. Good call.