What is wrong with you people?
 

Why are the Japanese people killing off the whales? You guys are criminals. There should be a bounty on whalers. IT IS ILLEGAL!!

Are whales all that different from cows, chickens, or fish? Do you not know that everything a person eats is a living thing, be it meat, vegetable, or fruit? In China they eat cats and dogs as well, should that also be illegal?

Unless you are strict vegetarian, and carrying on your crusade in the name off all animals, you are nothing but a hypocrite my friend.

Also, not everyone here is Japanese...and plus, if you don't like this culture, why'd you join?

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

I will leave this open for 24 hours to allow the OP to prove he is interested in a real conversation and not a forum jumping graffiti artist who just wants to insult people.

If he doesn't come back, then the thread will be closed.

Well chickens, cows and sheep are NOT endangered species. They are also NOT illegal to harvest. Why harvest endangered species when other meat is available?

So your point is eating whale is illegal?

Some kinds of whales are NOT endangered species.

Why can you decide illegal or not?
Why do you think so?
Or you are just talking about municipal law in your own country?

Btw,did you visit Norway, Canada,US(native american) forum?

Most certainly I can agree hunting any endangered species is foolish and should not be allowed to happen. But if it is not endangered be it a cow or whale, there is nothing wrong with hunting them then. Playing favorites with animals is nonsensical.

Hehe...

wah, there's a ten character minimum to post on here...wow

-Sends my parrots with tranquilizers to defend the endangered whale species-

And which internationally recognized endangered species of whale are being killed?

I am asking the OP more, as I just don't know.

MMM, you would be the person who gave this fucker a chance to prove his point. Close the damn thread.

O_o

Anyways . . .Any and all endagered whales and all other engangered species shall receive protection!

I have no particular love for whales or think they require any special protection above that of any other wild animal but I do think justifications for Japanese whaling are obviously completely and utterly ridiculous. If they can even slightly make a case of it being somewhat traditional then how about retricting their whaling to traditional areas rather than down in the Southern Ocean around Antarctica. The industry itself is not exactly profitable and only exists because of government subsidy. There is little domestic demand for whale meat, certainly not enough to justify the current amount of whales that are killed and the scientific study justification is little more than laughable.
Personally I think the whole industry here only continues to exist for political reasons. Mostly I beleive it's just an easy way for the government to appease hard line nationalists around the country that the Japanese will remain strong against the big bad westerners trying to influence Japanese culture.

Insert grammar and then it might be readable.

Really, MMM? I can read that perfectly fine and I've understood everything he said!

EDIT: Just out of curiosity, is "readable" recognised now? Or is it just traditional teachers telling me not to use it, and to stick to legible?

If you think so,you don't need to say that justifications for Japanese whaling are obviously completely and utterly ridiculous.
You should only say treat whales as same as any other wild animal.Instead of that,you posted so long anti whaling opinion.Don' act like as if you were Neutral.Where are the justifications for anti whaling?

As for current demand,Have you ever been to Shizuoka,Chiba,Iwate,Wakayama Prefecture?
They actually eat whale meat more often than in Big Cities like Tokyo.
In addition,why don't you take account of potential demand?

I wonder why someone try to forbid whaling,when he thinks there is no demand for whale meat.

As for Nationalist , even communist party don't say stop whaling.All political parties from left to right are not against whaling in Japan.They never treat whaling as political issue.
On the other hand,the Australian Labor Party tooK a legal action for next election.

Unfortunately,Aus Gov.doesn't allow any kind of whaling ,even in Japanese traditional areas.And The Southern Ocean around Antarctica is Public see.

Japanese government doesn't justify whaling by saying only "our Culture". This is mainly resource problem.
"provide for the proper conservation of whale stocks and thus make possible the orderly development of the whaling industry".

btw,there was no Westerner in Austraria continent.Why don't they go back to Europe? Their traditional areas.

Perhaps Greenpeace isn't the most neutral of sites and articles are a bit old, but these are two interesting articles that seem to back up some of GoNative's post.

Whale meat in Japan | Greenpeace International

Whaling is Bad Business | Greenpeace International

Because it's meat?

I personally, even though I'm Japanese by race, I dislike seafood. Including whale.

Back up?
GoNative's post is obviously based on Green peace's opinion.

:rolleyes: Green Peaces' opionion is that it's bad to kill Whales, full stop! The facts mentioned on the articles BACK UP GoNative's post!

Green Peace allows Aboriginal/Subsistence Whaling.
I thought "no demand theory" is Green Peaces' opinion.They chose The facts mentioned on the articles to justify their theory.
I don't think CURRENT demand for whale meat is essential.

I'm no Green Peace expert and I don't care much for Whaling since I don't know much about it... but facts are facts! Whether they choose these facts and not others to support their argument is besides the point! It still backs up what GoNative said!

Perhaps, as someone neutral here, you could give me some facts to support YOUR opinion so that I can make my opinion on this situation! Because quite frankly, at this moment in time, I see A LOT more negatives about Whaling than positives.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of whaling. I'm right in saying that whales aren't harvested for farming, right? That's where it's different to eating cows.

While some questions are raised about how humane killing cows, chickens, sheep etc is, killing a whale is nearly always a slow and inhumane process, just because of the size of the animal.

Obviously, they should not be killing endangered species. If cows were endangered, I'd say the same thing. Whether or not they are killing endangered species of whale is something I don't know about.

Until they find a more humane and less painful way to kill the whales, it shouldn't happen at all. Personally, I think it shouldn't happen at all really. It's not profitable for Japan, and kind of pointless.

Japan isn't perfect. I don't have to like everything about Japan, like a lot of narrow-minded people on this forum seem to think. Sometimes if people get a whiff of Japan critism, they go mad. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is basic stuff.

Institute of Cetacean Research
whaler's opinion.
http://www.icrwhale.org/eng-index.htm
It is difficult to find "neutral". There are arguments in detail.For example,risk of extinction,number of whales etc.
Aus Gov　might think International Court of Justice is neutral.So,they took a legal action. Wait for decision.
What are you talking about?
As for this forum,everyone,including "narrow-minded", is entitled to their opinion.Only Moderators can delete posts.
I don't think it is good to label someone negative like "narrow-minded".It makes you seem "narrow-minded".

Those that enjoy eating whales are morons.







It's kittens that make the best white meat.

I may have to try it some time. They look cute so I can only imagine that they taste cute. I've never tasted cute before.

I think it's all about money. It seems like money is more important than anything else. Screw the whales, the environment and everything else. Just as long as they make money. I came here a bit p*ssed with the way things are being handled and the lies being told by the Japanese govt. saying it is "research" BS...it's cash...it's always about cash.

I don't think it has anything to do with money. It is a cultural thing. In parts of Japan whale has been a common staple. I am not sure what "money" you are talking about.

MMM: I believe this poster is talking about the money made when selling the meat or other porducts made from the whale.

Still, fepony, MMM is correct, it's more of a cultural thing than anything else. Yes, there is money involved, but it's about the tradition, and the sentiment behind that. I believe the Japanese know the risks involved-- including, but no limited to, the edangered species of whales, and the lawful risks-- I don't believe they'd do such a thing blindly. Culture is quite important in Japan, and it means a lot to its people, that includes whaling. I'm not a fan of it, myself, but I do have the ability to see their side of it.

Also, if you have so much anger with the Japanese culture, why did you join here? Just to flame?

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

I'm a moderator, but I don't know what that has to do with anything. I think you misunderstood what I said.

I said: people who think that everyone should love Japan, no matter what, are generally narrow minded. There are people on Japan Forum that love aspects of Japan, but are still able to keep a level head about things they don't like about it.

Just because you like Japanese culture doesn't mean you have to agree with whaling. It is only one teeny tiny aspect of a very large culture.

(Not that I'm defending this guy or anything, lol.)

Yeah, I don't like whaling, either, but I just can't help wonder what else this guy is gonna go off on, you know? =.=' Lol...and it's no problem, MissMisa.

Is whale meat really a staple in some areas???

I had it a couple of times (I had whale sashimi, too) and it was mediocre at best. If I can go beyond the moral and political stuff, it just doesn't taste that great haha.

I heard they used to serve it in school lunches and stuff like that... so maybe people built up a taste for it that way-- you gotta imagine how whale meat got into public school lunches to begin with though. I think that was after some deals were done so it does seem a little shady.

I really don't have a stance on this one way or the other... except that it's hard to justify on taste alone.

If it is a cultural thing then why do they not just do whaling in traditional whaling areas around the coast of Japan? Modern whaling using factory ships did not start in Japan until around the 1930's so let's not talk BS that the modern whaling fleets that head down to Antarctica have anything whatsoever to do with some long lasting traditional heritage of the Japanese.
I certainly don't think it's just about money either though. As I said previously the industry only currently survives due to government subsidies. The government has attempted to stimulate the industry by bringing whale back on the diet in many schools but the actual commercial demand for whale is very limited and certainly doesn't justify the current size of the catch they take each year. But of course you need to kill over 800 whales a year to further scienftific research! :confused:

I have nothing against whaling as part of a traditional and cultural practice like that done by the Inuit in Canada. It is carried out within traditional hunting grounds and often using traditional methods. It is not done on a large commercial scale in some far away ocean for reasons that are little more than laughable.