Japan dolphin hunt film
 

Three theaters last week canceled showings of the movie after they were swamped with angry phone calls and threatened with noisy protests by nationalist groups. It was banned on a U.S. military base in Japan as too controversial, and 23 other theaters are still deciding whether to show the film, according to Japanese distributor Unplugged.

Japan dolphin hunt film triggers censorship debate - Yahoo! News

This movie is stupid and will never reach the right people. The movie is obviously a dramatization geared towards a western audience, and many Japanese people will probably never see the video, nor would they really care to as it's not in their demographic. All that's going to come of this is new fuel for western tree huggers to say things like "Those damn Japanese!," while continuing to sit behind a computer monitor and never even partake in any of these social commentaries. Now all we've got is a bunch of Japanese nationalists who take the side that all this video is is a bunch of foreigners breaking laws and slandering an industry, with the intention of shedding light on a group of people (westerners) who aren't the ones who can even solve the problem.

Lol i know it seems dumb.

I don't know...it seems kinda fake to me lol

Its a movie what do you expect?

Hahaha...lol...maybe I just expected moviemakers to have a little more dignity...I forgot what era we were in for a sec...LOL...XDD

Only thing were missing in this movie is extreem high speed car chasses and hundreds of explotions.

Ummm... Im a "Western tree hugger" who is appalled at Japans hunting of Dolphins yet I dont think "those damn Japanese".

I happen to think the Cove is an interesting movie... a little biased but hardly offensive. I actually went to see it with a Japanese girl when I was in NZ and she wasnt offended by it (Im currently living in Japan).

How about you check your facts before you start talking crap.

Yay for outliers!

How about learning the difference between a fact and an opinion.

Outliers? Environmentalists tend to have issues with most GOVERNMENTS.

Anyway I dont think youve even seen the movie. If you watch the movie you will actually see a scene where the environmentalists are in Tokyo talking to some everyday Japanese people and they seem appalled at the hunting. They also commend 2 of the JAPANESE city council members who were on the side of the environmentalists for taking dolphin meat off the lunch menu in schools.

Keep talking shit though.. its really interesting watching Japanese fanboys defend the Japanese government when they know little about the viewpoints of the environmentalists let alone the country they are in love with.

Have you seen the movie?

Who are the "right people"?

I doubt a dramatization would have won Best Documentary awards.

Don't you think the Japanese people who do care to see it should have the right to?

Already it has brought awareness about dolphin slaughter that people even in Taiji were not aware of and many are not happy about. For that alone I think the movie has achieved its goal, despite your complaints.

again sorta not
 

Unless you've been hiding under a rock this film has already been released to DVD'.
The documentary won the U.S. Audience Award at the 25th annual Sundance Film Festival in January 2009. It was selected out of the 879 submissions in the category. On March 7, 2010 The Cove won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Film at the 82nd Academy Awards.

Paradox~

Just out of curiosity (I'm a bunny, it won't kill me :p), what's with this sudden forum hype of large scale large fish slaughtering?

I know, right? This has been going on for a LONG(understatement) time. Why is it that people have decided to bring these things up now? <_<And sadly, most of the people that respond to these tend to be part of two extremes; one that is appalled by it to the extreme and making us wonder why they joined the forum(because they are obviously trolls), and the other extreme is the one that follows a country blindly. As expected, neither of these groups have the capacity to justify their opinions because they have nothing to back them up with. As usual, Ronin4Hire seems to be the only one who knows what he's talking about. >_>

I love Japan, but I don't really know much about the hunting issues, and I don't live there, so IF I had anything to say, it wouldn't matter because it isn't something that affects me anyway. But if you're going to bother posting about it, make an effort to justify yourself, and don't be part of the "Japan is amazing, you're stupid" extreme.

No, not a paradox. I loved it because the dophins were being killed.

And that makes the "save the whales" movement pissed. Having someone watching dolphin gore and enjoying it.

The movie opened the other day. Not without incident though but I suppose its a victory for the good guys.

YouTube - Japanese Nationalist Protest the Release of The Cove

Protests, police at Japan opening of The Cove | Reuters

Dolphin hunt film never be important than human hunt film.Why don't they go to
Palestine or Afghanistan?
Why don't they save the people? They are sentient beings
Members of the academy were　pure children.:)
They just made a safer decision. Dolphin hunt film doesn't make someone angry in US.different from "Food, Inc."

I'd say it's because of the show 'Whale Wars' that's been broadcast in the UK and USA (and I assume some other countries).

Apparently it was a huge hit and brought many people's attention to the issues. I think that's where the sudden surge of anti-whaling people have come from.
I believe the shows being renewed for it's 3rd or 4th season (forgot which) which'll be broadcast around summertime in the USA.

lol. whale wars - such a piece of s***t.

you know that creator of the show - that dude with white beard - he actually faked being shot just to boost ratings.i remember seeing the ads where - yea, action, everything happens and then screaming - captain has been shot.of course he wasn't. and i love how they rush to the scene and then..........do nothing. just talk.


btw..southpark made nice pardoy of them:southparkstudios.com/whalewhores

P.S ronin. going on a rampage again how "self aware" animals are so precious ? i love environmental nut jobs who have the balls and don't have brains to see how fuc**g hypocritical their views are when it comes to life we should protect and then what we shouldn't. typical white people win/win situation like always - gets to eat his burger and then mentally masturbate by feeling like a hero who does smth "noble".

I'm a vegetarian fucknuts.

And you might not agree with my argument.. but it's a consistent one which sets it apart from both the whalers, the Japanese government and governments opposed to whaling.

lol :D
made my day. yet in the original topic you said that you do eat pig and beef. only after someone said that pigs are self aware you said something about maybe not eating them too often.

and sorry. in no way i believe you are a vegetarian (still..it's not vegan so you eat fish and eggs,m? KILLER! :cool: ). i am still going with white boy who mentally masturbates with his twisted views when he gets into discussions like these about "right and wrong"

and yes. whatever views they are - they at least are consistent. ill give you that.

I've became a vegetarian just over a year ago.

And I draw the line at sentience. You draw the line according to chromosomes (assuming you don't eat other humans that is).

Therefore I think my position is a lot more significant than yours.

And what's with this "white boy" thing? I'm pretty sure that being white.. I'm going to win a racial epithet match no matter what.

Not that I believe in such things.. but still. Don't start something that you can't win.

The plant is a life-form.

Either that was in response to me or you are just a random person.

If it was a response to me then you clearly haven't been paying attention.

whit people* thing is just a stereotype but however there is large % of them. people who choose win/win situations. same people who use pink ribbons for "women breast cancer awareness" - result is that they feel good - they rise awareness but that awareness doesn't change anything. they feel good without doing anything that would actually take effort and benefit someone. not just those ribbons...also - save the whales - but make sure my chicken is deep fried...etc.

well you get the point.

I made a lifestyle choice that suits what I think is right. I'm not qualified to do anything more than that.

Just like I'm not qualified to come up with the cure for breast cancer.

I don't think you can even compare the two either. One is a moral standpoint which involves reason and discourse (which is what I was doing here) and the other is a terminal illness (unless you are pro-breast cancer or something)

PS- You're from Latvia. I really think you should stop with the stereotyping lol.

and? in my lifetime i have already visited some 13 countries. i have a pretty good insight of how people are.

you are getting off the track. my point is that most people are hypocrites or are out there just for self satisfaction.
life is sacred they say - don't kill dolphins while feel free to cook and eat everything else. i hate this kind of BS. either you don't harm anything or do as you please. viruses - we use medicine to kill them yet they are living organisms. mosquitoes, bugs and millions of others we kill.
so convenient when we get to chose who lives and who not, don't you think?

it is the always same..people make themselves feel good without actually doing anything - either those are the ribbons or eating and killing only those animals who are unworthy aka not so cute.

so. i eat all kinds of things, have killed all kinds of living things also. i know that and that is why i don't go out there telling other people what to do when i am no better.
you see people form India coming over and telling you don't eat cows? a? for them they are "magical" creatures - can't be harmed. yet some people now have the balls to say something about dolphins to Japanese when they ignore that 1 billion of people believe cows are special. i guess that doesn't count...why ? because this kind of total BS can only be made up by self indulgent white people!

I'm not getting off track. You're trying to pull me onto your track and I'm not going to get on.

It's not bullshit and I'll explain AGAIN really simply how it's not.

You draw a line at humans though right? Assuming that you do (I'd be surprised if you think that eating humans is OK) then all that means is that you draw the line based on the chromosomes of an organism.

I draw the line at sentience. Now I don't think you understand what sentience means so I am going to suggest you look it up because your paraphrasing of my argument was way off. Furthermore you alluded to cows in your example. Cows and chickens are not considered animals that are self aware but I still refuse to eat them because they are sentient enough to feel stress when they are factory farmed and slaughtered.

Oh.. and I've been to 22 countries in my lifetime. Lived in 4 of them and spent a good deal of time travelling in the rest. So if we're going to see who has the biggest dick regarding this then I win.

i understand the term.
however i do not agree with dividing life forms eat/save categories by simply implying that they become special once they are thought to be "self aware".

i can't get behind that argument. i believe everything that lives is the same aware or not aware. so if it is ok to eat one then go ahead and eat the other one. in some cases you can have problems with law but as for the moral decision - i am not going to judge anyone and i think no one should.
so. people enjoy your dolphin burgers with bacon and McNuggets while you can.

P.S and so what? you've been to more countries. that doesn't make my statement invalid.

P.P.S and still. you don't eat them since they are aware. at the same time they don't eat cows because of their special meaning. and yet they don't go to the usa and bitch about it because they are not pretentious in their views like white people are!
take their lead - live as you like but mind your own business!

Unfortunately that's a belief that has no valid scientific backing. Mine on the other hand does.

It makes where you've been irrelevant. I don't know why you brought it up in the first place if you're going to back away from such a statement so quickly.

I've already told you that I don't eat cows you barbarian.

But even if I did. I believe in the free exchange of information and the power of rational discussion and reason. If an Indian wants to convince me that cows should not be eaten then he is more than welcome to try. The only thing is that he/she would have to do so rationally. Considering the argument Indians make is based on hinduism... I highly doubt it will be a rational one.

The argument I make is rational and consistent. But more importantly it's relevant. The killing of another species that is self aware causes pain and suffering in that animal. Even species that aren't self aware should not be subjected to highly stressful situations each and every day.

Your argument simply says "they're not human therefore it's OK". It's really a crude and simple one and actually skirts the moral question being asked altogether.

scientific basis? lol. no - the reason you don't eat them is purely emotional. there is no science - no scientist has said - got damn it, my burger has feelings. just because they detected that they have doesn't mean anything.
on the other hand i present more logical therefore more scientific view where whole life is equal. animals eat animals - everyone feeds on everyone. now there is basic fact. 10x times the science you can offer,

eh. white people now have a member.
P.S rational argument? what's fu**ing rational about emotions? could say the very definition of emotions is irrational!

Now you're just wrong.

Scientific studies have suggested that dolphins are highly self aware and marine biologists say evidence points to the same being true with whales.

Dolphin Self-Recognition Mirrors Our Own: Scientific American

Whales Might Be as Much Like People as Apes Are | Wired Science | Wired.com

Furthermore my justification for not eating other animals is that most of it is factory farmed which places animals in a constant high stress environment and has nothing to do with their sentience (other than the fact that they can experience distress).

And your argument is logical but as I said before... it doesn't address the moral question which is the one I'm asking (and answering).

It's like saying war is natural because it's natural for societies to conflict. It's a reasonable statement (without getting into the big debate about human nature let's just say it is) but it says nothing about whether it's OK or not. I wonder what your parents or grandparents think of that argument? Your country was nothing a stepping stone for the Russians and Germans to get to each other after all.

just because scientists discovered self awareness doesn't make your argument scientific. only basis is that animals feel and so other people feel sorry for hurting those animals. its pure moral investment. nothing else.
yea. my argument might not be as morally based as yours but it is the natural one.
on the other hand moral question arises when people chose to let one life forms die and other to live. i think self awareness is far from being enough of a reason to decide how worthy ones life is.
in my opinion it is immoral to make those decisions so lets treat everyone equally.

Ummm.. what would you call it then?

Then how is empathy with another human differ? Because I don't know how empathy with an animal can be brushed off as "moral investment" because then empathy with another human would be the same thing.

No shit it's the moral question. Your "natural" argument is not even relevant to the moral question so you just look like a fool for bringing it up.

And I don't believe it is your opinion to treat everyone equally unless you think it's OK to eat other humans too. (if you follow your thought to it's logical conclusion then that's where it takes you)

not relevant? how thick headed are you? it is and i explained it to you in detail! you now have "white people vision" too when you only see what you want to see? i said moral question arises when you choose who lives and dies! that's why i say everyone is equal and i say eat what you want!

and yes your argument is not scientific. people discovered it by using science but your argument is based on emotional result that they came to by using science. argument itself is not scientific. its wrong because you say its wrong and that's it.

eat people? i don't have to, i have options plus law forbids it. however im not going to object to man who chose to eat his partner on uninhabited island to survive. eating people in a normal situation - well that's just murder.

lol.. "white people vision". You're a racist prick you know that not to mention that I'm pretty sure most white people would not agree with me on my stance on animals (though I think a lot of Tibetans might).

You're the one that fails to see the flaw in logic of your own argument.

I'll repeat what I said earlier. You draw the line at a specific amount of chromosomes. (Your comment implies that you hold humans above animals to some degree and you mentioning scenarios where eating humans would be "OK" to you doesn't change your stance all that much)

I however draw the line at sentience. A high level of self awareness to be exact.

Where I've drawn the line is rational and addresses the moral question completely. (It's not the only line I've drawn as I've given my reasons for not eating beef, pork, chicken and other factory farmed animals).

Yours doesn't.

The question of which species it is OK to kill or not has been decided. But to you merely deciding is immoral. I'd like to know how merely deciding violates your morality?

PS- My argument is not strictly scientific. But it's more scientific than yours and it's scientific where it needs to be. Furthermore you'd be hard pressed to find any opinion that is strictly scientific.

There is a country that committed genocide of the whale from the latter half of the 1790's to 1964.
It slaughtered it until the price of whale oil falling, and not becoming business.
The attitude is strapping though it is a criminal group that drives it in to the edge of extinction.

90% of people is opposite to the whale fishing.
(The aborigine of 12% seems not to include it in "People" )

There is no problem because it is not a person though the rank is applied to the living being.
The criminal is supported to the other party of "We do not like it" though it is a law-abiding country.

Woah... I didn't think my post would ressurect this thread in such a way!

I won't get involved in Ronin's and evanny's argument because it seems to be deeply rooted amongst themselves at this point...

My experience, based on reality rather than comic books, is that when Japanese people see The Cove they are deeply shocked, moved and become instantly against it. It does not represent them nor their vision of what Japan is.

That is why the bureaucracies that are challenged by it are doing everything in their power to stop it being seen and to create group think disarming it.

As for the "joke nationalists" who rallied against it, they are just ridiculous attention whores attempting to cream off their little bit of media from the hype surrounding it by attacking people's innocent mothers at their homes.

What sort of assholes would attack someone else mother with mobs and loudspeakers out their homes?