North Korea Employing Thugs for Diplomatic Solutions
 

2010 World cup opening ceremony took place at the Soccer City Stadium, Johannesburg on June 11th. During the ceremony, South Korean diplomat to South Africa, Han-Su Kim left his seat to use the restroom. At that moment, North Korean diplomat to South Africa, Hee-Jung Ahn snatched Kim's arm and said "If the South continue to behave that way, North Korea will not tolerate it" in an aggressive manner.

North Korea is unhappy with the South Korean government's effort in raising international support over the Cheonan sinking. It is evident that the economic crisis in North Korea worsened as the international community reproached DPRK and imposed sanctions against it. However, it doesn't mean that its diplomat can openly makes threats against another nation. Even now, they are unwilling to admit their fault. What a weird nation.

blame president barack obama for worsening north korea's situation. for everyone who voted for obama i hope you'll be miserable that america has more enemies inside and outside of america than never before.

Go NORTH KOREA! Shoulda done a Zidane style head-butt as an Homage to the world cup :D

Remember you have no right to tell anyone how to vote, obviously the people who voted for Obama and for MCcain voted for their own personal reasons. If everyone should vote like you then we cease to be democracy. Now you have a problem with how Obama has handled North Korea thats your right. But dont sit here like you are on some kind of holy mount and have all answers and say you hope other Americans are miserable.

Heres a tip America will always have enemies on the inside and out no matter who is seated in the white house and honestly pleasing all of the American public is impossible to do. If you dont like him then show it the democratic way vote him out when his term is up. But dont wish ill will on the average working American whos just trying to get by what the hell is wrong with you.

Well said.

ditto.....

May ask you one thing? Are you a republican?

North Korea is a punk. Nuff said.

Nine posts? Fuzzy logic even getting to an attack on Obama?

Troll. Not even likely an American.

Move along, nothing to see here...

Well, what can I say. Democracy tends to encourage undemocratic actions like mob rules and especially groupthinks. How ironic.

Nothing to see here, citizens.

For some reason i had feeling you would say something along these same lines huh curious.

What do you mean?

During the 2008 Presidential Campaign, a lot of people told not to vote for a Republican party. How undemocratic it is, it's up to you. I'll assume I don't have any rights to say anything further because I'm not an American.

Huh? Populism already killed democracy in America. Whether it is from FOX News, or a conservative Christian televangelist or borderline-Trotskyist university students in the USA.

Voting is not everything in a democratic system.

In South Korea, democracy has become more like a socio-folk belief than a political belief. That's because South Korea is a democratic country and its citizens are too skeptical about voting. They don't vote because they want to support their suitable party; South Koreans usually vote because they want to get rid of a party that they hate. Then again, this was sort of like the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA: for the sake of getting rid of the Republican candidate. Slightly different nuances of two dynamics of voting but it makes a huge difference. As you know, voting was originally for consciously choosing the candidate you like, not consciously ostracizing the candidate you hate.

I wouldn't say South Korea is a democratic country because of this.

When I was in school in South Korea, I learned that democracy is not all about voting. But sadly democracy in advanced western countries are all about three things: trivialized voting issues in every sector of the society, sensationalized political media circuses (esp. involved in voting), and pray by raw faith that the politicians would do something right after they get elected by voting. This doesn't sound like democracy to me but why many of the Americans or others think that it's a democracy? It's more like vote-ocracy than democracy.

I'm sorry if I offended your beliefs but I really can't believe in democracy.

He's somewhat right. Majority of Americans lack faith in Obama: poll | Reuters

He sounds more American than most of the Americans here IMO. Maybe because he read too critically about the US Civil War. I don't know. Maybe I don't have the rights to say this because I'm not an American.

- Liberty instead of Democracy!
- Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else.
- As for the moral status of majority rule, it must be pointed out that it allows for A and B to band together to rip off C, C and A in turn joining to rip off B, and then B and C conspiring against A, and so on.
- The American model – democracy – must be regarded as a historical error, economically as well as morally. Democracy promotes shortsightedness, capital waste, irresponsibility, and moral relativism. It leads to permanent compulsory income and wealth redistribution and legal uncertainty. It is counterproductive. It promotes demagoguery and egalitarianism. It is aggressive and potentially totalitarian internally, vis-à-vis its own population, as well as externally. In sum, it leads to a dramatic growth of state power, as manifested by the amount of parasitically – by means of taxation and expropriation – appropriated government income and wealth in relation to the amount of productively – through market exchange – acquired private income and wealth, and by the range and invasiveness of state legislation. Democracy is doomed to collapse, just as Soviet communism was doomed to collapse.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe

komitsuki as usual you took everything i said and twisted it. You just don't get it dude and it was obvious what i was trying to say. I will make it more simple

Dont wish Ill will on people just trying to get by and live their lives with their families. Just because my government doesn't like Iran or N Korea that doesn't mean i wish for their citizens to suffer. Get it?

People vote for their own personal reasons and have every right to chose whom they want to see in office. The previous poster nor I nor you has the right to tell anyone who to vote for. I am not a sheep i don't listen to fox news i make up my own mind. You should know Americas history by now and how this system was formed. Like the role of Electoral Collage whom i don't think we need anymore.

I know your not trying to offend me but id rather be killed face down in the dirt like a dog then to bow down to a king or fascist. Id rather take up arms and die fighting than to have someone tell me how to live every aspect of my life. I consider myself luckier than a lot of people around the world that do not have a say in their country. But i will also agree that democracy can not and will not work in every country for varying reason. Americans are wary of too much government because of our history with England hence American Democracy

Sometimes i get the feeling you would like to tear down an institution in a matter of days causing chaos rather seeing what it can evolve to become. We can sit here all day long argue points of what system is better. I happen to think that every system has it advantages and disadvantages but only in terms of it population and culture. This is the system that the US has my points were directed that goal not to be drawn into a debate over whats wrong with American Democracy.

The OP's post honestly pissed me off and thats why i responded. Ok im done im way to too tired to do think after being up for nearly 19 hours and these kind of debates are irritating which i why i dont visit the Japanforum as much anymore.

No, you're the one who doesn't understand. I've lived both in the West and South Korea enough to question democracy. I know we will never agree with anything. I don't see how I always twist your words when you already know my background.

How rude and insulting of you. Do all Americans act like you? I don't think so (maybe except for our oddball mod, MMM).

You have one wild imagination. Or paranoia.

I don't see any reason why for you to be pissed off. He said a couple of very appropriate stuffs but he said it in a rude way. But that's just me.

komitsuki I'm interested in what you believe is a better alternative to democracy. You have stated your opinions about the bad things about it but what is a better system?

Im neither paranoid nor an oddball. I have had the pleasure of visiting more countries and living in majority of them for an extend amount of time in my life than most ever will in their entire life time. You always say i dont mean to offend anyone but when you do you brush it off like it doesn't matter. My problem is not if we agree or not if everyone thought the same then life would be quite boring.

MMM feels strongly about his opinions as do you but the difference is you think hes an oddball because he feels that way that's rude. I don't think your a bad person because of your views. But the way you come off is anyone who disagrees with you is disillusion, brainwashed, or an odd ball how is that fair?

I have plenty of friends who are from China and or Korean decent and they feel strongly about the some of the same views you do. But the difference is in how they present their words. They don't give off an air of superiority in their words that you statements tend to carry. I told you before that some of your comments make it sound like you would like everyday Americans (Not politicians) to suffer or worse. Im not saying you feel this way or this is your intent but your phrasing gives rise to question.

So once again this is what pissed me and why i replied to it. This is has nothing to do with Democracy vs any other institution nor which one is better so please leave that out.


Why would anyone want any citizens of any country to be miserable or suffer? The OP has a problem with Obama and blames him for the current crises. Fine i dont care about that but again dont wish harm on ordinary citizens who are just trying to live their life's and raise families and dont give a crap about politics this goes for any nation.

The US isn't a democracy anyway, it's a Republic. It's not even democratic, it's a Republican form of government ( No, I don't mean the party).

As to American's not agreeing with each other, that's how it's allways been. Even dureing the Revolution only a third of the folks where for it, a third where actually on Britain's side and a third just didn't care. It's when we all agree on something that makes us dangerous.

There is no better alternative to democracy. Komitsuki is just confusing his issues with particular governments as being the fault of democracy.

Anyway, I think the Europeans, in particular the Scandinavians have the best system so its kinda strange that he picks the one of the worst examples of democracy (USA) to make an example of.

all the posts make me think that i'm the minority being ganged up by the majority. lol.

i'm an average american. thank you very much for a meaningless baseless respect. albeit i was born in new zealand and throw away my new zealand citizenship like a stray dog. different educational background compare to other americans but still american by heart.

dude, suffering is a natural human development. common sense.

correct answer. democracy is not the keyword. it's called republic. republic is the manifested form of democracy. every country is either a republic, a islamic republic, or constitutional monarchy under a republic form. democracy is not on the picture.

wrong answer. see ryzorian's post carefully like you would read a simple english sentence. otherwise there is an alternative of democracy and republicanism. it's called libertarianism and it is meant to be an alternative to democracy and republic forms under reasonable ideological agreements. political system doesn't stay forever.

north korea says it's democratic according to its namesake. when north korea is calling themselves democracy then even a stray dog would be called democracy.

Ummm.. Libertarianism is an ideology. Democracy is a political system. You can be a socialist and believe in democracy. Im pretty sure you can be a Libertarianist and believe in democracy too (Im not too familiar with that ideology though)

PS- Thank you for leaving New Zealand to become an American.

Libertarians believe in very limited government, that the constitution is a static document, not a liveing one. In other words, it says what is means and means what it says, if you don't like it, you have to change what it says..you can't try to interpret what it says.

North Korea is a dictatorship run by one guy who deligates through his cronies, the people have no say in what happens at all. They don't get to choose every 4 years about wether they should keep kim il or not. 5 years from now the US might still have Obama but 9 years from now we won't.

Obviously suffering is a part of life we struggle we suffer we over come. However do you yourself wish harm on others? I dont and i suspect that majority of people would say no.

Read what i said carefully. It has nothing to do with suffering which is normal part of life. If you wish harm on others because you have an issue with one individual you have deeper issues.

That ranks up among the stupidest remarks I have heard of late. Have you completely erased all memory of Obama's predecessor? Not that I am in agreement with everything Obama has, or hasn't, done since taking office, but the only real cause for anything worsening in North Korea since 1994 is the person running that government and those aiding him in his insult to humanity.

The OP's reference to the actions of the North Korean diplomat are not surprising to anyone familiar with the tactics of his government over the past 16 years, or his predecessors for that matter.

Oh one other thing......

Just curious why North Korean - U.S. politics is up for discussion on a Japanese discussion forum. I can think of correlations, but none of them have entered into this so far.

If it became a hot war and embroiled other factions, such as China. If it became more regional, Japan would possibly become involved as well. The irony being that Japan and the US would be fighting on the same side.

That about sums it up in a nutshell.

oh you from new zealand? didn't notice it. i thought you were an indonesian muslim who studies in japan judging by your picture. still struggling with hiragana and katakana. kanji is ok for me because i studied mandarin in beijing last summer on a language program.

let me guess. you are a political science major who can only think in a single way like any politician around the world. while we economics majors want to make fun of political science students for thinking so narrow. lol not many people think about politics professionally like you or like a lawyer. spare the troubles. don't alienate yourself from the general public.

the majority of americans have an issue with george w bush. i will assume you have an issue to our repubican president in the past. you might too have a deeper issue like me. i am so proud to have a deeper issue like anybody on earth. it is called being a human. thank you very much.

nork (north korea) doesn't have any direct relationship with the american public. is this an issue for us commoners who have american citizenships? i want to think positively for north korea after doing my mandarin summer language program.

Indonesian muslim? Thats a bit random. I bet you meant that as an insult lol. Way to prove that not only are you stupid, you are racist too. :rolleyes:

Anyway, You are close, I am an International Relations major but there is a relationship with political science I suppose.

By the way, I have nothing against economics majors, but I fail to see how an economics major is more open minded than a political science major. In fact I think the stereotype is that its the other way around. Furthermore humanities students in general (religious studies, sociology, philosophy as well as political science and IR etc) are more open minded than your average law/economics student (according to stereotypes)

Anyway whatever... you are just butthurt that I called you out. Dont take being wrong so personal. :mtongue:

No one is really "openminded" anyway, everyone see's things from thier perspective. Sometimes you can see other peoples sides to the stroy but even then you won't interpet them as being correct from your own side.

misunderstanding is everywhere. i had to take care of indonesian muslim friends in my university in oregon under a student managed peer friendship program for a school year. i thought you were an indonesian muslim who did not have a grasp of english. you looked like one. i thought you needed help in your grasp of english from my earlier posts. and what is this. you are like a person who loves to accuse others racists. i have been reading your old posts for days.

however it seems that you humble sir are a racist. from a post by another member.

or offending a poor thai man from your complaint.

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/site...istency-2.html

another thing. you are unusually funny for a guy from new zealand. international relations and economic go into social sciences. both of them are never under humanities.

what is butthurt? i did not know that you loved to be spanked. can you tell me what this meaning it is? i am not too keen on internet slangs like you. i never really mind being wrong when it comes to an abusive person who is taking my wrong so seriously.ok. i will talk exactly like you. dude. anyway, whatever. you are just a misogynist and a racist to insult a woman like me.

do not treat other forum members badly.listen boy. i do not need to act like your mother. i do not need excuses from you to make yourself good to other forum members who were offended by your words.

bravo. you sir are better than that person called ronin4hire. thank you very much.

finally. ronin4hire, i do not need shallow excuses from you. have a nice day boy.

Wow... you are lecturing me on my English ability... how ironic since your posts are FULL of mistakes :cool:

And dude... get a life.

Not only have you failed to show how Im apparently a racist (why do people keep calling me that but then fail to show how anything I say is racist?), you have shown how pathetic you are for trying bring up old stuff to start a flame war.

I thought your assumption that I was an Indonesian Muslim was intended to be an insult. It may not be racist if what you say is indeed true... but it does show your ignorance though. I mean what is the difference in appearance between an Indonesian Muslim and an Indonesian Hindu (Bali) or Christian?

of course. i already have a quality life. my chinese boyfriend and my wonderful family although i am british-german by blood for your curiosity. my new zealand father who is now happier than his life in wellington. proudly got his american citizenship many months ago.

what do you have? insulting others online is your life? i do not want to say you are pathetic to you. i am not a kind of person to be demoted to your level of attitude.

let me repeat this again boy. i do not need shallow excuses from you. have a nice day boy.

You are either CLEARLY lying about your heritage or you are really stupid.

I mean your English looks like it was written by an elementary school student or someone who doesnt speak English as their native language.

(In fact it looks suspiciously familiar)

Go back to primary school or stop lying... whichever is the case.

Its actually not my intent to insult people when Im on here but in saying that... Im glad you are insulted by my comments! :D

exactly how am i being insulted? boy go drink your mother's milk.

Ahem...

Plus the fact that I think you and fakeｄ an identity just to pick a fight with me makes me think that you are insulted.

(I am pretty sure you are komitsuki or a friend of his.. for a start your English is way too bad to be a New Zealand born university student. Second of all the English is similar to komitsukis. Third of all the fact that you have taken issue with me in particular and have tried to dig up past events to insult me.)

Anyway... have a nice day you Chinese-fascist. :D

you could stop the ramdom accusations and be respectful to others. many weeks ago i was a new member and i was not offended from your comments I first read.

you mention komitsuki so often. an obsession or something. i did not logged in for slightly over eight days. i had plenty of time bookmarking the search result of your comments with many members and read them.

do you know what he wrote about my thoughts?

komitsuki neither praised nor offended me. my response was thank you very much for a meaningless baseless respect. i was slightly offended from komitsuki's first impression of my comments. not to the point of being mad. this person thought i was a great person or a narcissist and saying i am a he. no i am not one of those at all. i am an average individual. does that look like we know each other? i cannot care komitsuki with that unlucky first impression.

you are an international relations major not an amateur linguist like komitsuki claims in his signature. how do you know? how you treat me you keep saying english is bad to any non-english speaking member who disagrees with you.

you are making too many enemies. it is not good for you.

i may have a chinese boyfriend and studied mandarin in beijing. am i a fascist?

you kept saying komitsuki komitsuki komitsuki komitsuki from your mouth for several months. do you like komitsuki? or are you into mean girls and like that member?

do you have personal issues that concerns you? you can send me a message. i cannot understand you like this. of course how you keep saying like this to me or to others. do not worry. be happy and improve yourself.

Maybe you arent komitsuki... and for that I sincerely apologise to komitsuki if he happens to be reading.

But you are a fake and while Im not a linguist.... I think I can recognise the kind of English you are writing and you make the same mistakes in your English that a lot of Chinese immigrants make.

I dont care about your "chinese boyfriend" your "british german heritage" or your father who "gave up NZ citizenship to live a great life in America". (all lies of course)

In fact its not even relevant and my relationship with my country is mostly a pragmatic and practical relationship and only slightly emotional (what can I say.. I think Wellington is a beautiful city with many diverse and interesting people) so your attempts at insulting my pride as pathetically lame as they are, are actually ineffective.

Wow! Well, things happen a lot if you leave JF for a long time. Eight days are enough to offend by Ronin4hire's past comments. Here's the keyword: karma.

I apologize for being rude unintentionally. I see no reason to be angry, so please accept my apology.

Well, he has the utmost brave gut to call me a "Chinese Fascist" in a racist tone or saying to me that I have "bad English" when he ironically understands me perfectly. I don't care. He has a poor merit here. Mods aren't doing anything to him and I don't know why. So please be very careful about him, Atredies.

No need to be sorry. I don't personally expect too much from you. Thanks, but no thanks. Just like Atredies said: be happy and improve yourself :rheart: But, I honestly love the boy go drink your mother's milk quote towards you for some reason. Not in an offensive way obviously. Just that Atredies brought me the laughs. ;)

komitsuki.

Your English is good enough to be understood but not good enough to be clinical or academic with it. You also often fail to grasp what Im saying a lot of the times and you make simple grammatical mistakes that go beyond the shortcuts that native speakers use or typos.

I apologized for the chance that I might be wrong... I wasnt offering you anything.

What is racist about "Chinese Fascist"?

You keep accusing me of racism but never back up your claims.

My english isn't very good either and I'm native to the US, so eh.

Fascist , communist, socialist...all same thing really, government controle over everyones life. The only real difference is wether they treat you like pond scum or children.