I think so. I hope that your sister has a great birthday!! :D

Usama ben laden kill some amerecans because americans have killed a lot of muslims in Iraq and Afaganistan and Palestine and they are still killing muslims.....I am muslim and I don't think Obama will agree to build that Islamic center because they always say that they respect freedom but they don't.........

If I remember correctly, the current president of the United States is Barack HUSSEIN Obama, for God's sake, whatever God it is.

1) It really isn't Pres. Obama's (or the Federal Gov't's) business whether they build an Islamic center on private property in NYC.

2) He has already agreed, even though it isn't up to him.

Maybe yes he has agreed because his father is a muslim ..... however , muslim center is a good idea to start a new page between muslims and other people...........but I think he will back out
muslims don't need to build an Islamic center there ....we need to stop killing us and respect our religion and let us to worship Allah.....we will not forget what amerecans do with us

Obama is not a muslim as I now.....he was muslim when hen was very young but because his father is a muslim he named him ''HUSSEIN''...
and I don't think amerecans will let a muslim to be there president

Kozra, this post goes past what is acceptable in terms of religious discussion. We must stay on topic or else the thread may be closed.

They allways place mosques on the sites of thier greatest victories. It's to establish Islam as the primary relgion in that area, and shira as the law of the land. They have allways practiced this, it's why you have "the Dome of the Rock" on top of the Hebrew temple mount.

A mosque isn't a church...it's not just a relgious center, it's also their courthouse, their statehouse, and thier pentagon. You may dislike hearing that, but that's what it's about, it's pretty straight forward really. It's about haveing the whole world under one "Caliphate" government.

What a mosque isn't is a community center with a basketball court and cooking lessons.

I dislike Islam as much as the next guy... but its no different than Christian churches.

They want to spread their religious ideology at all cost and establish their own brand of Christian law also (prop 8, teach creationism alongside natural selection and evolution etc.)

Um no you ignorant moron, 9/11 was an inside job whether your british twat faced ass likes it or not, how about you actually look at the proof instead of dismiss it like every other ignorant moron out there.

Guess what dumbass, America IS A CHRISTIAN NATION, IT WAS FOUNDED BY PROTESTANTS, so if you don't like it, get the fuck out. kthx.

lol... read a history book.

It can be said that America is a "Christian nation" because the majority of Americans are Christian.

However the USA is not founded upon Christianity. Its founded on secular principles. Furthermore, many Americans AREN'T Christians so if YOU dont like it get the **** out.

You're an idiot.

Quite frankly "idiot" is the perfect description for you.

Also you claim the majority of Americans are Christian, yet you also claim many are not Christian in America, so if I was American why would I leave America due to a supposed minority not being Christian? Defeated by your own logic, amusing.

Oh brother.

You are a Christian living under SECULAR laws and a SECULAR constitution.

If you as a Christian do not like living under SECULARISM then I suggest you should leave for Northern Ireland maybe and fight for the protestant homeland you so desire.

Actually yes, it was founded on christian princeable, a steadfast belief in God. The founding fathers were adament in keeping that aspect. They even warned that the American form of government would collapse and fail if it ever became an unchristian nation. To fully understand what it was that these men were trying to put together, I would suggest the Federalist papers to start. There is much more but we can stay with the basics for now.

The American legal system is not "secular" in the sense that it's with out God. law is God based, again check the Federalist papers or even many of the opions from the Judges of the time. You have to base law on a higher authority than man or you have no foundation.

How can one man judge another? who's authority would you use? cause you said so?..Cause your King? Your army is stronger? That's not "law" that's bully legality. Really, that's no better than apes.

9'11 wasn't an inside job, your flat wrong on that. They were aircraft flown into buildings. Planes taken over by Jihadi's with a vendetta. That's simply the way things happened. I strongly suggest the documentary made by a couple of brothers who were filming about a fire department and actually witness the whole thing first hand. You see the planes fly into the buildings, your inside the building when it collapeses..it was the only camera to be there on the inside. It's called 9/11 by Jules and Gedeon Naudet.

As to Islam, yes, it seeks to take over the world under one Claiphet, that's it's ultimate objective and they will use to force to get there. That would mean everyone lives under shira law, you can pretty much throw the constitution out the window if that happens, cause it won't exist.

It's all in the Koran,( a pretty scary read) wich is basically a play by play on how they are suppose to conduct operations, both within the muslim community and on the infidel.
The infidel ( wich would be everyone non muslim) either converts or they are killed, no negotians, no liveing with peace and tolerance. In fact, muslims can't sign any peace deal or deal of any kind with a non muslim that lasts for more than 10 years. They break it after that, many times before, if they can.

Well, Islam and Christianity aren't that different to me (sorry, but I'm Zen and you can't tell 禅 from 日蓮宗 ether).

Ryzorian, you sound exactly the same as some Muslim fundamentalists who think their country should be ruled by God's law, which ironically proves their point that US wants to conquer Islamic countries and force feed its Christian values.

I like a country that is more lenient to different cultures and values. And I believe most people in the world think the same way. I don't like people who think they are doing God's deed and therefore they are always absolutely right. In what God they believe is irrelevant to me. And in that sense, I think this is a perfect opportunity to show the world how the US holds with the idea of diversity and freedom.

What? I never heard about that objective.. where did you heard or read about it? What is your resources?? Do you think every Muslim countries live according to the Sharia Laws? Do you even know about Sharia Laws anyway?? I think in your mind, Sharia Laws is all about stone-throwing to adulterers and stuff.. :o

Do you even read the Quran? Or you read some books that put some incomplete verses from the Quran and start to infer according to the writers mind.. If the Quran was so scary to read, how come there are more than 1 billion people embracing it? What are your logic/reasons regarding the peace deal? Are you trying to talk about the case of Palestine/Israel issue?? Come on, search more, listen to both stories before making any judgment..

peace! :vsign:

What is scarier than the Quran is the Hadith. Majority of the Quran was influenced from the Old Testament traditions that even Christians can handle. What is scarier than Islam in the American point of view is the Dispensationalism being influential in American foreign policies.

It's good to be in a "half-Christian" Korean family plus an uncle who converted to Islam. I can see the both sides. You know what's funnier? Koreans have a rather positive opinion on Islam because of the American evangelical traditions.

I had a much longer answer but MissMisa was correct, we were getting off track.

This is about planting the flag. When Ohio State Beats Michigan..they plant the Buckeye flag on the big M in Michgan stadium. It's sigifigance is simple...we beat you, now take this finger in your eye. The Mosque at ground zero is on the same princeable.

The sole reason I side with the US is because I believe most Americans take 9/11 not as an attack to Christianity, but an attack to Liberty and Freedom.

If it was a same old religious war, my comment would be,

"Again? You guys have been bickering for 1000 years over who the real prophet was, The Crusades and all. When do people grow up? Are Abrahamic religions really promoting peace? Or are they promoting war?"

If it's an attack to Christianity, yeah, you're right. You shouldn't let the "enemy's flag" flying high in your territory. If it's an attack to Liberty and Freedom though, Muslim aren't your enemy. Your enemy is a bunch of douchebags who don't like Liberty and Freedom, and it doesn't matter what they claim they believe in.

Do you think the majority of Islamic people were for the attack? Do you think the majority of them think that the mosque has the significance you say it does? I'm inclined to beleive that the majority don't feel that way at all.

Something really significant that I thought of when September 11 happened was how the American government saw it fit to basically arrest "Arabic" people. One of my brother's friends was arrested (I really disliked that person, but he obviously had nothing to do with 911... so even I wouldn't have wished that on him). If "liberty and freedom" and all the bullshit that goes with those two words is so important, then how could something like that happen?

If you rewind history 50 years prior to 911, you'll notice a similar event. Although the attack on Pearl Harbor was much more obviously a government sponsored thing, a similar action took place as a result. Japanese Americans got completely shafted. Not only were they basically put into camps, but their land was taken away, so much for "Life, Liberty, and Property" (which later got switched to "the Pursuit of Happiness"). Many of my grandpas close friends and neighborhood families were subjected to that treatment. Ironically, my grandpa was a first generation American, and some of his friends whose parents and maybe even grandparetns were born in America had this happen to them.

History had basically completely repeated itself in 2 generations after 911. So in otherwords, maybe it'd be a good idea to try to learn something from 911 and the "laws" that came out of it if we are concerned about "liberty and justice for all". (I figured it'd be a good idea to leave out the "under god" to avoid religious debate).

Well, I don't like you assimilate Perl Harbor to 9/11. One is clearly terrorism. One is an attack to a military facility by military force. And sorry your friend got treated like crap. Cops aren't the most liberal people wherever you go, but while I don't like cops in general, I still believe cops in the states are a bit better than cops in Iraq before the war.

I see your point and I believe 99% of Muslim people want peace. Just like 99% of Christian people do.