Guy who wants to burn the Quran on Sept. 11
 

What do you guys think about Rev. Terry Jones planning to burn the Quran in Gainesville Florida on September 11? I don't think that what he's doing is right but people say that he has the "right" to do it. And I was just wondering how this might affect the opinions of Americans in the world.

It is sad that an nut like this, with a congregation of 50 followers (and he lost 30 after his announcement of his plans) can get the world's attention like this. He is taking the attention by the media like a pop star without realizing he mat be on the front lines of a religious war he is single-handedly starting.

He is a nutjob who I hope will see the light before 9/11 and cancel his event, which will surely have more media cameras than supporters.

With such a small congregation. I dont know why this is newsworthy.

I think the media are being somewhat irresponsible.

General Patreaus has already stated that this event will endanger his troops. I will say that coverage of this event is the problem. Not the event itself.

Im not saying that the news should censor itself in the interests of national security. But this kind of story belongs in a local newspaper with city or town officials commenting on it. Not something that world news networks run, inviting worldwide attention.

This might be off topic, but it seems to me that the world, or at least America, is about to hit a new "Dark Age" where religion influences the choices of a government more than the political leaders. Rev. Terry Jones maybe a complete, single minded, idiot, but he is probably just the calm before the storm.

This guy is just looking for his 15 min of fame. Im sure he and his followers would throw a fit if a bunch of Muslims burn the bible on Christmas.

Hes a nut job he and handful of others are whats keeping people from understanding each other. Instead they chose to spout hate. Under our Constitution he is free to do it does it make it right NO but hes protected. I to ever fiber of my being hate these people.

I really don't know why this is getting so much attention. I suppose people are bored.
He's clearly psychotic; psychotic people do psychotic things. At least, it seems conclusive to me.

He's going to burn the Quran on 9/11, frankly, so what...? I'm not impressed. It's going to be very offensive, naturally, but it's not the first time something held sacred by a certain people has been burned: ethnic and national flags, pictures of significant leaders and religious figures, religious and non-religious books, etc.
Anything that represents a cause or belief... it's probably been burned.

He does have the right to do it -- if the loopholes of the law don't get to him first -- or he accidentally burns down a nearby house. But people also have the right to make him miserable for it. And they will try.




Anyway, I assume this nutjob has created a great opportunity to bash America and/or Christianity. That's generally how society operates, these days.

Tsk. 9/11 for Muslims is non-equivalent to Christmas for Christians. Muslims as a general group are hardly related to the terrorist attacks that were committed. In addition, Christians as a general group don't necessarily align with this guy's methods. I'm Christian, I definitely don't agree with this guy's methods.

You were probably just speaking loosely, which I can understand... But, as it is, burning a Quran is horrible. To also mention burning a Bible... kind of falls within the same mindset as this guy. Retribution. He's in his own little world, at the moment, I personally would prefer not to drag average people into his equation.



Why don't we all just burn some firewood??
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I agree 100%. I think it the media taking advantage of putting a mic in the face of a nutjob, and the musings of this wacko may actual threaten lives. Turn the cameras off. He has already gotten much more attention than he deserves.

This issue has nothing to do with government. Rev. Terry Jones lost 30 members of his already tiny congregation because of this issue. He literally only has influence on a few dozen bigots. He has no influence on government.

My comment was merely indicating that they feel its ok to burn the Quran and convince others that Islam is evil. If the situation was reversed he and his group would be throwing a fit. Im not sure where you got the idea that i was ok with burning the bible in retribution i dont believe in retribution. Yes i am Atheist and proud of it but i dont condone this kind action on any level nor any level of discrimination of race and or religion.

I am not ok with what hes doing at all and the message he is trying to send.

I was referring to the similar retribution aspect of that statement, but I understand what you're saying. I agree.

This means he blame about 9/11 to all muslim in the world. That quite sucks. It likes umm...... when someone drive Hummer hit your grandma, then you blame all Hummer's drivers in the world.

Is it fair if you hate Hitler you got to hate all German?
Is it fair that you hate communism you got to hate all Russian?

That's nonsense.

One more thing. If he burn Quran, he got to avoid any contact with any of the Muslim because he will be beaten to death for sure!

To be honest I can honestly see that hapenning. . . not necessarily by any specific religious group, but someone is bound to do some damage to him or the church. It's rather worrying. He's putting himself, his congretation, and the troops on the front line in danger (due to reasons another poster listed). It's just incredibly dangerous behaviour, and very hypocritical of him. He's angry at a group for causing the deaths of many, when potentially he could be doing the same.

I got your point Robinmask. If he burn the book, then what will happen. At least strike at American embassies around the world will occur for sure. And that is just THE LEAST dangerous one. You can guess the more dangerous one right?

You know, what I really hate most about this guy is that now people in the middle east are rallying and yelling out "Death to Americans" because of him and his congregation, people see Americans as bigots. This waney happening before right? I wonder if it's because of the mosque that people don't want built near ground zero?

I hope he gets killed. The world will be a better place without him.

I'm sure that is how the catholic church thought about people like Martin Luther, and now we have the protestant church and all the branches that come from it. its like a rock slide, it only takes one small pebble to start it. It is quite possible that though we see him as a nutjob, others may see him as a man who they should follow. With the loss of his 30, he may gain hundreds, and that may lead to thousands and quite possibly millions, but then thats on pure slight possibility and speculation. I hope it doesn't happen, but from what I'm seeing, it seems like it could happen.

What I was saying about the government issue is that its getting to where religion is strongly influencing Federal decisions, not that he is trying to control it.

I don't see religion having any more influence on the American government today than it did 10, 20, 30 years ago, or even from the foundations of America's birth.

huhu.. this just prove the fact that every religion has an extremist..

Since when, before Obama, did the American populas ever question a President's religion? Granted that it was probably a ploy by the republicans to try to give Obama a bad start as president, but why did choose relgion? Religion should not influence the government, instead the government should influence how the religion is practiced. Was that not the reason America was first established for, to give a person the right to practice a religion as long as it abided by the law? Now days, christians are putting stress on the government to stop the center in New York City, muslims citizens are said to not be as strictly enforced by the law because of their possible connection to people in the middle east. It might not seem like to you that nothing has changed, but it does to me.

The religious practices of the US president is always under scrutiny. You are right, Obama, a practicing Christian, has been labeled a Muslim so many times by right wing extremists so often that 40% of Americans actually think he is a Muslim. That being the case, he still got elected.

Religion should influence the government as much as the government should influence religion.

People are trying to influence the government to not open the Islamic Cultural Center in Manhattan. How much influence did they have? The City Council of New York voted unanimously to allow to happen. The mayor of New York declared it should be built.

I would like to hear more about how Muslims are not being held to laws as strictly.

You can find extremists in just about every large group of people.

Granteed that this one statement might not be reliable, I watched a FOX news special about "honor killing". it was basically a woman, who was married to a muslim, had her daughters killed by her husband. Wheather this was true not, I don't know, but it was said that he probably was able to leave the country before he could be found and questioned. Either way, he was put on a wanted list for a possible "honor killing", but few days later, the part "honor killing" was omitted because it was considered offense and could potentially harmful to information gathering from muslims in the middle east, and the pretty has pretty much died down.

I've seen cases of people stealing cars last years and this murder case was basically closed after a year or two? Granteed that this is from a news source that is said to be "picky" with their sources and topics, but it still a news source.

Your source is FOX News? OK, now I am seeing where the problem is. What is the one "news source" that keeps harping on the president's religion? FOX News. Never heard about this story, but are you saying FOX News is saying that the American authorities allowed the guy to leave the country after killing his wife and children because he was Muslim? Do you realize how incredibly silly that sounds?

"Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also."
I'm not Christian but even I know this much. A pastor should know better.

The wife lived, the daughters were the ones killed, and I see where your getting at. However, what your saying makes it sound like that just because FOX news did a report on it we shouldn't believe it. What if I said it was from CNN? Every news group has its bad suites, but does that mean we should disregard every report they make?

I saw the video on crappy resolution on youtube not too long ago, I found it slightly funny but mostly sad... I don't really have anything new to add, pretty much agree with what people said :cool:

You should be careful about mentioning FOX News, steamboatsam. It can be seen as a piñata. FOX lies habitually and are too politically one-sided. Much unlike other news sources, such as NBC or CNN. Crediting any form of information to FOX tends to make your argument unfavorably moot.

I understand that all to clearly, but thats where I first heard about it.

You know that Fox is known for making news without actually checking for facts? :rolleyes:

Does that not mean a person can't check to see if its real?

Texas – Honor killing of AMINA and SARAH – chilling

American Girls - Page 1 - News - Dallas - Dallas Observer

Here are some random links that talks about it (that is not FOX)

I understand that FOX has a bad reputation for that(hench why I said it might not be reliable), but then again how can you tell that other major news groups do the same thing? Do you check every single news reports from CNN just to make sure that they are 100% real?

That's an interesting point you made. How did you come to this conclusion, exactly. Do you know first-hand or did an "honest" source reveal it to you.

It's a shame, the way I see it, most, if not all, mainstream news sources are politically biased, selective in their sharing of information, and prone to making assumptions without thorough investigation. FOX and CNN are no exception, regardless of what is believed their varying degree of guilt may be -- though the respective sides would generally disagree, respectively. However, it's absurd to claim that all stories presented from either program are false for this reason. Information is information, and it usually doesn't come completely refined when conveyed through another party. Personal methods should be taken to determine the quality of information. To immediately label any body of information as particularly poor from a source similar to others solely because of the name that represents it... doesn't seem wise. But that's my opinion.

I won't continue. I've digressed enough.

FOX News is good at taking a story, or a non-story, and twisting it.

Here's how they do it:

Man is Muslim
Man kills family
Man flees country before he is apprehended.

That's where the story should end, but then they ask the question:

Could it be that government officials allowed this man to escape apprehension simply because they didn't want to stir up trouble with the Muslim community?!?

There is as much reason to pose this question as there is to ask whether his escape was assisted by UFOs. But what they do is plant a seed in the heads of the viewers, and then feed it and feed it and fertilize it until 40% of the country thinks the president is a Muslim.

Your first alternate source uses FOX News as it's source. Notice how the blogger describes a 9-1-1 call as a 9-11 call.

Your second sources is a very long article, but no where in the article does it mention that the government assisted or allowed the father's escape. That's the FOX News "twist".

Another thing about FOX that we can't forget is back during the Bush v.s Gore election. They hadn't even finished counting all the ballots and then here comes fox saying that bush was the winner. That then led to othe news agencies reporting the same thing. And more recently with the thing about Sheryl Sherrod, The first place to call her a racist was fox. And they made that assumption on a video that was a few minutes long that was taken from a long speech. And Bill O'Reilly is way too biased.

I'm sorry, but isn't that a news group's job?

I placed the those links just to show that FOX was not the only news group that covered it. Plus I RANDOMLY picked them. It was to prove a point that all the stuff that FOX reports and just something made up completly (like some people strongly believe and appear to be stating). Every major news group does it, its just FOX seems to have a worse reputation about it than others. Why do the news groups do it? because it brings ratings. Thats probably why this Rev. is getting so much news media. It brings their ratings up.

I took the liberty to shorten the quotes so I didn't spam too much.
My statement was a reply to steamboat as he defended Fox News by refering to CNN and other news groups hence I did not mean that every single news Fox makes is without checking for facts, with that said if you find out that they have made some news that hasn't been checked would it be wise to continue watching Fox News? even if one didn't know that but knows that they are stretching it and/or opinions are heavily biased why would you continue watch it?

If I get the time I'll try surf the net for you and dig it up but I remember one that should be in youtube which I found a little funny as lot of gamers rage over it... their news covering over mass effect game which they ended up retracting.

It's sad too say that it's true,ratings are all some people care about. Why can't they focus on getting the truth out rather than try to promote their own agenda.

Absolutely not!

That's called yellow journalism, and goes against the pillars of those who study journalism and call themselves reporters or journalists.

The idea that the government would be involved in this man's flee out of the country was introduced by FOX News. No one told them that. Read your second source...a 9 page article from a Dallas newspaper. In 9 pages not once did they bring up the idea of him getting help from anyone when he fled the country right after committing the crime.

So what started as a story about an Egyptian man killing his daughters for dating American boys has been twisted into an anti-government story. Is that what you call news?

No, not every news group does it like FOX News does it. It is probably the "news outlet" with the worst reputation because they are so brazenly skewed and wear that on their sleeve. Their twist is they tell their viewers that all the other news outlets are a part of the "liberal media" and so their right-wing take on the news is actual the middle. It's a good business strategy, but isn't good journalism.

FOX news is a joke.

Here is a documentary on the organization called "Outfoxed"

OUTFOXED : Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism

Also one of the biggest lies that I will never forget was a lie told by FOX news.

Remember the whole "Obama was raised in an extremist Islamic style school in Indonesia!" incident?

The Bush V Gore election result was bogus too as mentioned earlier

I remember watching OUTFOXED back in my high school economics class. I'm glad I watched it cause it really helped me to see what fox was really about. Although I prefere to watch CNN, they just seem more honest and they actually try to get all of the sides of a story.

Wow, so it means we shouldn't watch FOX?

Just kidding.

But I hope this man die or be taken to custody before he bring the WWIII.

Small thing make bigger thing happen. WWI happened because a Serbian student killed Austrian prince. I'm afraid that this small idiotic man will bring chaos to the world