And the more I learn, the more I see I'm right.

I think it's looking at the more subtle examples that enforces my view.

In short, if you take Thailand as an example, you do get a neglected and fascist feeling. Not that the US has legitimacy in Thailand, but the tyrant elite and ruling class, backed by the military and monarchy, use great figures as a legitimizing technique.

The Thai government is basically controlled by the military. Weak coalition governments with MP's bought out by big business, ineffectual in creating policy and have thier strings pulled by the corrupt. The source of so much despair and poverty in this country, yet kept this way as those in power benefit. Keeping the doors closed to foreign markets, allowing the rich to grow richer whilst the poor drag their feet because the products they produce are worthless under the current market layout. It's terrible.

The military has no democratic claim, end of story. The only way they can maintain their grip is through claiming legitimacy from other bodies. The monarchy is traditionally used for this - racist Buddhist karma dictating he's a Demi-God who should not be questioned. Whenever the military acts, they do it in his name, claim they took orders from him. They didn't take orders from him, as they hold all the power, yet it gives them legitimacy, so they think.

When Abhisit (Thai PM) sucks up to Obama and shakes his hand, it does not help. Pro democracy demonstrators were just massacred in the streets by this man, yet Obama is all cozy. Thailand is worse than Iran in terms of racism and oppression of its people, but the US does not care, so long as the Thai elite remain useful to US capitalism, that's all good.

You can see this US policy all over the world. They do not care about freedom and demoracy, they'll openly support tyrants and dictators such as Saddam or the Persian Shah on larger scales, Abhisit on smaller, so long as it lines US pockets. The fight against communism to install democracy is a complete farce - the US only cares about the appearance of democracy, not the substance of it. There's no democracy in Thailand. The only time we've had it was 2001 - 2006, but Thaksin was vicously put down and is to be executed for terrorism if he comes back to Thailand.

It's fascism. Lies. They're not here to help or make things better, only get themselves ahead. Human rights, freedom, democracy. **** off. They support who they want when they want and only do it to keep themselves ahead. The desires of the common people, such as the Thai peasantry, are entirely irrelevant - control should be maintained from the top down in pure fascism so the market remains uninterupted.

US citizens grow fat and rich with the capitalism their government produces and squeezes from other countries. Just as so the Americans know, others are shouldering this burden.

Please share your infinite knowledge.


Please continue to wear your ignorance like a badge of honor. US CITIZENS are not getting richer.

Good point. Probably why US foreign policy is constantly getting more severe and corrupt.

Do you not see any truth in what I'm saying? You think it's okay for the US to take sides and steer the fate of others who arn't even allowed to vote for them?

I think the US should mind its own business unless it has the power to help in situations in which it has the power to help.

I agree completly.

Did anyone else laugh at the fact that Obama's speech after the mid terms amounted to'Gee,I guess america was too dumb to understand the great things I'm trying to do."

I feel like a scolded schoolchild:P I am apparently too stupid to understand what he's trying to do,so I should stop thinking and just vote all of his socalist policies through.

idiot.

im so sorry for amrica now that tea baggers have the power...
i mean you have to be nuts to vote for them. they are against what average class american wants + just crazy. O'Donnell - im not a witch! :eek:
im sorry to ask but were americans get these nut jobs? one dresses like Nazi on weekends with his son....+ EVERYONE who is against homosexuals gets caught being a homo....
btw...what an BS was that they repelled was it 3% tax for what you make over 200$ ? it's probably that there still is the belief that anyone can become a millionaire so if that happens people don't want that tax to be too high....
+ the don't ask don't tell was set back again thou 70% of americans are for it. like...they had to make a "study" how this will affect military...yea since when anyone asks soldier anything? next - will you go to war...please?
+ idea of pensions being set for people of 70 years old while GE and Mobile didn't pay any taxes last year.

really - these people in tea party need charismatic leader and here we go - 3rd Reich rises again.... :cool:

The Tea Baggers didn't win. They lost in over 2/3 of the races they were in. O'Donnell was destroyed by her competition.

It's hard not to let the media cloud reality.

i know that O'Donnell was droped early on.
and sorry for tea tea baggers i meant that conservationists won. some of the things they say and do...just pure crazy.
as they say - individual crazy is hard to find but almost every group is.

I wish it was conservationists (people who believe in protecting nature) who won, but it was more conservatives in the House of Representatives. The Senate still has a left-win majority, so in the end it means little will be accomplished in the next two years.

nature?
i think thats last thing they want. first thing for them is "to get back old america".
repeal obamas health care for deficit fix etc.
btw.why they just don't cut military budget? america has like bigger budget than next 15 countries combined and usa is allied with all of them.

Tea baggers? I'm sorry...what? I've never heard that used except to refere to us English and I don't think that's what you are meaning. Is this some political front in the US or what? And if so what is the stand they have that you are madly against. I keep hearing horror stories, from people I speak to on line, about what's going on in the US now and from the few years I spent in the Detroit area your country scares they shyte outta me and I'm ever so glad I'm back here in my lovely England. I don't hate the US or Americans they just scare me these days and damned if my boyfriend isn't over there right now studying in uni. I keep wanting to shout to him, "Please Kuran, come home before they devour you!"

And what is wrong with Obama? Wasn't he, just a short while back, touted as the great American success of being the first colourerd person elected president? Why can't you make up your minds if he's your savior or the devil? You lot need what we have, the power to call for a vote of no confidence and kick the wretches out if they start going horribly wrong.

You see a lot of this on the news over here as well.

Tea Baggers: Former slaves who after the civil war rounded up other ex-slaves and sold them off again.Probably not what you meant.

Tea Party: A republican based political group who organise rallys,etc.

Correct me if i'm wrong on the tea baggers. There's far too much tea in american history...

totally unenlightened party where 90% think that taxes have gone up since obama stepped to power when actually they have decreased.

Well if you Yanks had had your right senses, you would have drunk tea and remained part of the UK (wicked grin...I'm just joking) Well are those republicans somehow Nazi's or evil in some way? That's the idea I'm getting from evanny.

(Hey baby, its good to see you, don't get lost over there :p and don't forget the cute Japa'neglish girl over here waiting for you :rheart: )

Errmmmm.....taxes have only gone up in in U.S for those who are economically considered to be lower high class or above. Obama has instituted policies that,as he himself has put it,'Spread the wealth' so that those who work hard have to turn around and,in some cases, give almost 60% of their hard earned money around to support those people who can't be bothered to work.

An entire generation has been trained in America to belive that the rest of the country'owes them',and as such they shouldn't have to work,merely que up at the county courthouse every week to get 'their' money,all at taxpayer's expense.

apart from that,oh yes,brilliant. Obama got elected based on his campaign of'change'. well,it certainly has changed. The american dream that has supported the country for two hundred years is in ruins all becuase of socalist policies from a man who isn't even legally allowed to be president.


Good to see you too baby,don't worry,i've got a map,so I won't get lost,and I could never forget you love.

What? Obama? How is he not legally allowed to be president?

(and darling, I'll come get you in a row boat if I have to, I'll never let you get lost :rheart: )

kyokoUK. not all of them but one got caught spending his time with his son dressing up as SS unit and reacting battles.
KuranUSA. just what? O.o 60% ? well when you count all the taxes together almost everywhere people pay in taxes some 50%. but the increase if there was one was some 3% for a dollar over 200 000 $ a year. basically nothing too noticeable. its like top top 1% of americans who have to pay.

3% off a dollar over 200k a year is 6 thousand dollars(if you make 200k a year.) Let's take that off of your paycheck and see if it's 'too noticable'.

In order to be president,there are a number of things you need to present. Like,for example,a birth certificate that isn't a forgery. Proof that you are a citizen of the country. None of those have been provided for Obama.

OMG! Really? Its a crime over here in Europe to wear a swastika. Now I know there are many war re-creationist groups around the world but I've never heard of any allowing WWII costumes as we are still just way too close to those horrors. Even I shudder to think of what the Japanese became due to the influence of the Nazi's and of "reformers" who totally perverted Shinto into something it never was and lead us into those horrible years, years that ended in more horrible things that the world has ever seen before. How could a member of a political party allow their son to do something like that?

i wouldn't.
its 3% overall!!!. if you make 200 000 you can afford basically anything you need. that money instead off being spent on couple of expensive business diners goes to people who have to think if they are going to eat next week.

So...from what I have heard from people that Bush (the son) wasn't properly elected. Something about the votes in Florida not being counted or the supreme court intervening or some such as that. That makes two illegal presidents in a row. I thought us having a split party government now was a bugger, not to mention following on the heals of Gordon Freaking Brown. You know, if any other country had illegal presidents elected the US would have troops over there in and instant forcing the government out and holding new elections at gun point.

"I wouldnt"

you made me laugh just then.

before you step into the shoes of one of those'top 1% people who have everything they need" consider what they might actually use it for. I have known a plethora of buisnessmen across the world,it's part of my job to know these people. The vast majority are not like those you see on TV. The vast majority are types who do indeed donate to good causes. Who go out on the weekends with salvation army and build houses.

I can only assume that you are getting your facts from Television,which apart from being foolish,is clearly providing you with the wrong image of waht is occouring in the united states.

Precisley. Bush jr. had problems with florida because the votes had to be recounted. twice.

You are right,the US would have troops over and taking over if it were any other country.

Somalia,for instance.

and who, pray tell, that has that sort of money...even those without...live only with what they only NEED? That's just a silly statement.

and yet i know more about recent american politics than average joe...
im not saying people who earn much are douche bags or anything.
just those 6k is just another way of donation. the old america that right wing wants had some 40% tax for the rich. sounds better?
i aside with pure math - 1% with little to no harm and 99% with little help wins in my opinion.
i totally hope we here would have a progressive tax policy even if my family would have to pay more.

and my sources are political shows. sorry for not having Times magazine in the part of the world some there think is a country.

P.S not living only with what you need. just that damn 3% out of anything is basically nothing! im going to have a pie. i bet more than 3% is going to be small pieces left that i will throw out with the rest of the box.
see my point?

judging by what you've been saying,apparently you don't.

in short,Obama has taken all that america stands for,Freedom, and is slowly crushing it with socialist policies that take from everyone and give to the poor.

They tried the same thing in russia a while back,among other things,that triggered the revoloution there.

Oh,and for the record,i'm studying ecenomics here,and using some of Obama's policies on how not to budget. Go figure.

some part of the world where some there thinks its a country? Say WHAT? You got anymore American Supremacist bull shyte to sling at us "other parts of the world?" And I know countries that would pay to lick your plate mate!

my misguided info can only come from their political shows broadcast.
and actually i don't think i am. which point exactly? i had my doubts about 3% tax being repealed and yet it probably will since right wing has gotten bigger.

only tax increase was the 3%. and for rest of the people some of them were decreased as far as i am informed.

kyokoUK...ah. part of the world as Europe. there is alarming number of people who think that whole Europe is a single country.
try not to overreact. :)

If you don't mind,what political shows are you watching? I think that you may have gotten the wrong views,and are misinformed.

Well actually, the scary part is, all Europe IS trying to form into a single country. We have their flag all over here, even on our car licensens plates, the EU with its blue flag and its halo of stars. So I'm not that far off and I am one of those Brits totally against the UK merging into that horror of the EU.

Now to my darling boyfriend whom I love dearly. Darling don't forget that we (the UK) are one of the few successfully operating socialist governments i the world so its good for some people its just not what America sees at their ideal so I have to support them in stopping it but I tend to live ours.

Larry King and also i like real time with Bill Maher. there is usually a nice balance - right and left representatives and yes...comedic touch.
yea...tried Glenn Beck since name sounded familiar but...

and no. im not watching fox news. :)
maybe not perfect shows but helps to keep track of current things.

Oh...I have a question about evanny's comments about America not being a facsious government. If they aren't why do they have the one major symbol of it, the fascius, the axe made of a bundle of smaller rods around a single center rod with the axe head through it? Isn't that sort of telling? And what having to "show your papers" at every turn? I know from being there a few years that you can hardly go anywhere without some police wanting to see your ID card. In England we just defeated, happly, an attempt at a law to force all us to carry picture ID's that could be checked every time we turn around. That's what passports are for. I think you may be closer to the old goose step than you think.

Glenn Beck? Cor blimey mate! I've seen him and he's a freaking right wing facioust swine!

Hmm. Fair enough. Larry King,only problem is that frequently he focuses on being funny more than actually doing the news. Glen Beck...meh. Have you tried O'riley?

OOOOH! You mean that some people actually think Europe IS a country now, instead of a contenant? Hehehe yeah, that's like a racist I once heard say that to end the "nigger" problem "we" should invade Africa. I had to tell him, "Hey, mate, Africa is a freaking contenant you idiot, not a country!" I still don't think he got my point.

he was one of the 3 people in congers (it that the place?) who raised his hand when asked who doesn't believe in evolution. i have seen some of his speeches and seems as a normal person but he is very deeply Christian and since im an atheist our opinions differ. but as for his heart - seems in the right place.

Isn't your congress split into two houses? Sort of like our House of Lords and House of Commons? You have the Senete and the House don't you? I think so but...the only one who didn't believe in evolution??? And a Christian??? What does that have to do with anything? I'm a Buddhist and believe in evolution and live in a socialist country so does that make me some evil person? I don't get what you are getting at. And what about my question above about American facisim? You seem to have ignored that.

that his views are based on Christianity and my are pure scientific.
i haven't seen him so much but probably this means that
1. he is against abortion
2. ereasing separation between church and state thou it is in the bill of rights
3. teaching only or along side with evolution so called "intelligent" design which has actually happened in some 3 states. correct me if im wrong.

again. don't now so much about him so it's hard to debate his views.
P.S please try to read harder. i would understand if i wasn't able to understand you since this is not my language. i said that from what i've seen seems like a good person with heart in the right place. but that doesn't mean i agree with his political views.