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cosmetic surgery
Cosmetic surgery seems to be very popular now.
Is there the same interest in Japan? I feel that so many celebrity magazines make girls or women feel inadequate-- . Ipersonally think its a real shame that the body one is born with sometimes feels not good enough-- so girls have boob jobs and other things- but is it really necessary? I can understand if someone is really embarrassed about part of themselves-- there is a genuine need to have some help-- but should young girls also have cosmetic surgery? shouldn't they wait until they are fully developed-- before going under the knife or having botox etc. I am uncertain if men have surgery to fix something they are unhappy with. It seems to be very big business here but is it also in Japan? Do men appreciate women who have had cosmetic surgery or all they use to try to look younger. I feel that with older women that lines make character-- but surgery can kill that. you don't see the real person. |
In America plastic surgery is actually becoming very popular with men. Ask any plastic surgeon who has been in the business for a long time and he'll tell you that back in the day 95% of his clients were women but these days it's near 50/50.
I'm actually considering plastic surgery myself. In America looks are the most important thing you can offer to the opposite sex (sadly). America is a *VERY* superficial place. Probably the most superficial on earth. |
thanks for that. I feel its a shame not to be happy with the body you were given.
its like keepin up with the JONE's as we would say in UK. Its good to be proud of who you are and not just want to follow the crowd. I blame many of these celebrity magazines and shows really-- and the pictures in them are usually air brushed so not a true picture at all. I wonder if MEn actually like women who have had boob jobs. having an artificial substance underneath the skin. Also the other worry is those who believe they have to be skinny-- almost skeletal------------One of my gr daughers has anorexia and I swear its because of Victoria Beckham and her ilk. It seems so artificial and unnecessary to me. Of course if people want to spend their money having surgery its up to them I guess. I wonder what sort of surgery the men have. |
I think it's pretty much the same in most countries. I know one of the most common surgeries in Asia is eyelid surgery..
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I'm not talking about getting a boob job for the sake of getting a boob job, but there's plenty of cosmetic plastic surgery out there that really does help people, and unless you have a problem that should be corrected then you'll never know what it's like.
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If you think it is superficial, then why are you considering it? You aren't making any sense. |
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yes but young girls bodies change naturally and surely they should not have a boob job -- after all what happens when a woman with such a thing has a baby-- what happens then? I was very small until I had my children-- then after breast feeding my babies my breasts developed. many people have things done because they are not confident with themselves. Its a shame because surely our character shows through the way we look. Obviously if there is something one really hates about oneself or some thing disfiguring-- then go ahead-- but just to follow the CELEBS or your Peers? in the end of course its up to the individual but I bet millions of pounds and dollars etc are made from this industry. |
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But even if it is just some girl looking to get a boob job or nose job or whatever, you can't just disregard the psyche behind why she wants to do it, why she feels inadequate, and what can be done to help her after she's still not satisfied after the procedure, which is a common case. This opens the doors to a much deeper meaning as to why people go through these procedures from a mental standpoint. Some of these people could be considered "sick" for lack of a better term, if they're willing to mutilate themselves based on what they've seen on TV. So don't you think these people would be better off getting some kind of help rather than being chastised for being "artificial?" |
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Then there are some who get the surgeries because they have done all they could on their own and nothing worked or it didn't work efficiently. Sometimes, it's not all about self esteem or self confidence, I feel. |
I'm going to take a risk and go on-topic by trying to answer the OP rather than taking this conversation down the expected path of "is it good or not" :rolleyes:
I teach English in Japan, as a result I meet people from pretty much all walks of life, even English haters. One of my most popular lessons is about piercings/tattoos/plastic-surgery. I'd have to say that about 1% of my students have had plastic surgery if not less. Everyone seems to have a very strong idea of exactly what they would get if they did get it done, and yes eye-lids is one of the most popular, along with nose enlargement lol. Either way, it doesn't seem to have caught on very much here, it's not shunned really but it's not seen in a good light. It is assumed, though, that a celebrity will have had it done, as a career requirement practically. The one rationale I always get for "Why not do it?" is always "I can just use make up to make myself prettier ... " So, that is the mentality of the vast majority of Japanese women I teach. |
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I believe there is a word-- that eludes me-- where a person does not see their true image when they look in a mirror-- but their idea about their looks which is mostly in their own mind. I wondered if it was world wide in popularity.?A lot of it is about being happy within ones own body or having poor self esteem and trying to make oneself look like Celebs etc. It is similar to those who starve themselves because they believe they are too fat-- when they really are normal. pLEASE FORGIVE THE WAY i HAVE ANSWERED i STILL DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SEPARATE QUOTES ALTHOUGH COLUMBINE HAD TOLD ME WHAT TO DO. bABS. bY THE WAY i AM NOT CHASTISING ANYBODY-- ITS UP TO THEM WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR OWN BODY. mAYBE ITS MY GENERATION THAT FINDS IT ODD. |
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What percent of Korean girls/woman actually get plastic surgery? - Yahoo! Answers Ask a Korean!: Korean Women -- Fixer-Uppers? I think men do appreciate it though |
thanks for that although I am not a fan of statistics at all.
I have many things that could do with improving on my own body-- I am in my mid seventies LOL--- but its more likely to be hip and knee replacements. Trying to be active and keeping fit must help for sure. Its a good job I am not a plastic surgeon-- my sewing is so bad that all the stitches would unravel in no time------------:rolleyes: |
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fascinating. |
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I would like to hear more about these shows. I am familiar with the Jessica Simpson one, but I would not conclude that the reason all women in Asia get blepharoplast (eye widening procedure) because they want to look white. For a certain percentage, with that one procedure, that may be true, but larger eyes are considered attractive in practically all cultures, and it's not because white people generally have wider eyes. It makes one look younger and more expressive. In Korea, for example, a lot of people get this procedure done, but nowadays it is almost expected and a sign of upper crust culture, not of looking western. |
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Yeah I'm with MMM here.
If Asian women are trying to look white by getting certain facial surgery, then by the same logic white women are trying to look black with their tanning attempts and breast and butt enhancements. Of course both assertions are absurd. |
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Go to any bookstore in Japan and you will be hard pressed to find western magazines. Japanese women don't need to read western magazines as there are dozens on top of dozens of Japanese magazines already on shelves. |
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btw in that article dogsbody put up in another thread it also sed "As attractive as Japanese women are there has long been a feeling that Western women were more beautiful. A character in a story published in 1908 by the famous Japanese novelist Soseki Natsume said that the women depicted in ukiyo-e woodcut prints “have disappointing narrow eyes compared with the clear-eyed women depicted in Western paintings...There are no Japanese woman in earth comparable to Madonna of Raffello Sanzio! Should there in fact be such a beauty she would never be considered Japanese.” and "These days in Japan, shampoo ads for Proctor & Gambles and Unilever feature glamorous Western blonds while those for the Japanese shampoo Tsubaki feature famous Japanese women and the slogan “Japanese women are beautiful.” forgive me for reading such things and coming to the conclusion that maybe the west does have a big influence in asia - becoz thats the kind of stuff ive seen in the past aswell |
I've lived in Japan.
The reason they have some commercials with Western women is because these commercials are the same ones being shown all over the world. The reason why Americans are prancing around on Japanese TV selling shit is the same reason why Americans are prancing around on British TV selling shit. It has nothing to do with East and West. It's about a company using well known celebs to sell shit. Also.. the "I've heard other people say it therefore it's true" argument is bogus. Like I said before... the same rationale used for saying Asian women are trying to be Western can be used to say white women are trying to be black. |
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However, it also reciprocal. I'm half-Asian, and I have friends and complete strangers say how beautiful I am, just for being half (HALF) Asian. It's stupid. Don't get me wrong, I love my ancestry, but there's the same concept of adoration on BOTH sides. People will love what they cannot have (without expensive, grueling cosmetic surgery). I can't speak for other parts of the Western world, but Americans love tanned skin, while Japanese, for the most part, love pale skin. Japanese may like big eyes, but Americans still think Japanese and other Asian facial features are down-right gorgeous. It's just a weird mirroring social effect between two cultures that are very interested in each other. |
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I mean I've never met a Japanese man or woman desire to look or be western no matter how infatuated with the West they were. Being inspired by something and wanting to be something are different. There exists a particular style in Japan that I could say is unique to Japan as a result. (It's still as tacky and commercial as the shit in the West but that's a whole other thread) |
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I'm just saying that it's the same rationale that missprincess and others are using. I don't actually believe that getting your breasts enlarged or getting tan means you are trying to be black. |
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It's one thing to say a model or actress is beautiful, but to say "I am getting eye surgery done to look white" is quite another. Quote:
and I have lived in Japan and don't ever remember seeing a blond woman on a shampoo commercial. A brief search on YouTube shows only Japanese women and western actors with black hair. It would be silly to market a product for Japanese hair using a blond actress. No one would buy it because the perception would be that it is made for hair different than their own. Quote:
This implies some kind of cultural superiority that simply isn't there. I know several Japanese people who tell me they prefer American movies to Japanese movies. Is it because they find Japanese actors difficult to look at compared to American ones? Are they fantasizing about leaving the trap of their Japanese life and move to the open plains of the US? Of course not. "American movies tend to have larger budgets, better effects, and are easier to follow." And these points are all true. |
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But i doubt you would consider this is what "western" women aspire too (at least I hope not). My point being anyone anywere can point at somone and say I wouldnt mind ...........(finish as appropiate) and lets not be fooled into thinking its a female thing only as I know plenty of guys who would like to be taller/broader.6 pack etc etc. Human nature I guess. |
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lol.. for the record I never associated those things with being black or trying to be black either untill I heard someone say that Asians are getting eyelifts to try to look Western. :D I simply based it on the fact that black people are darker and the stereotype that they are a bit more.. let's say "developed in particular areas" than us white folks (which might be true on average.. but not a rule of thumb which can be applied to individuals) :p |
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so challenge the validity of the journalists or whatever portraying such a notion to the west and not my inference from such - because usually u watch doc's because they inform u about things u dont know about, whether or not they are accurate is a whole diff thing same goes for the article - if u have issues abt whats mentioned within it then i suggest u go and dispute this with the writer and not the reader of the article lastly no one is implying any cultural superiority anywhere - generally when u see a women on tv making a statement like im doing this because i want to look more western - u believe her statement - granted not all asians are getting plastic surgery to look western but there are SOME who are - and thats something that cant be denied esp when they go flat out admitting it on tv |
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THE MAJORITY of them dont, but a surprisingly large amount of them do or are starting to, go online and search for these pro anorexia forums where they have comments on how beautiful a certain actresses bones look sticking out in certain parts of her body due to emaciation - the size zero (and below) phenomenon is big in western society - granted again NOT ALL WOMEN DO IT but there are growing amounts of women who do - |
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Whether or not an article/documentary is accurate is the creator's responsibility, yes, but whether or not you believe it, support it, and reiterate it is YOUR decision. Be an informed and conscientious reader/watcher. |
I think Japan, compared to the UK has fairly relaxed views on cosmetic surgery. I mean, there's less stigma about getting surgeries done just to look better, whereas in my area at least, people who get cosmetic surgery fall into one of three rough categories:
1) Having it done for a very good reason (to repair a physical defect or as a last resort to counter a psychological dysmorphia) 2) One of those insane fashion types, who would buy the latest It-shoes and surgery is just the next fad. 3) Chavs and WAG-wannabes. so with the exception of 1), it's generally a negative view. I don't know anyone who's had any work done. I hear orthodontist procedures are on the rise in Japan as well; straightening and whitening, though I don't imagine it's as wide-spread as other procedures yet. There's also non-surgical things which are fairly particular to asia and Japan such as skin whitening lotions, or whitener in skin products. It's fairly common-place, or at least enough for me to have to check bottles carefully; lets just say that for some reason, 'white' is NOT the result it gives me! 8< Quote:
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for eg, i saw a doc about head hunters in the amazon rain forest, about tribes who cut off human heads and in some situations even cannabalised - they took a video of these villagers admitting it was something that was practiced but has not been for some time - now ive never been to the amazon rainforest and i have no plans to go there anytime soon (esp to visit this tribe), so would u call it ignorant to believe that what these people are claiming is true??? or would you call it being ill informed? |
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Also gotta ask "proverbs"...really! |
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That is what you said, so you can understand my confusion. Quote:
One I have seen. In it ONE Japanese women mentions western eyes. They also talk about how having large eyes makes one look younger and expressive, but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that. Quote:
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If I see a woman on TV saying she wants more western looking eyes I think "This women wants western looking eyes". I do not come to the conclusion that all Asians want western looking eyes, or that people that get eye surgery are doing it to look white. I wish you could remember the names of the other shows you saw Asian women saying this, as the Japanese and Koreans I know are very proud of who they are and would be quite offended at the notion of trying to deny their nationality to look like another race. |
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