Environment/results

[Suki]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

Would you be who you are if brought up in a different environment.

There's no way I can know for sure, but my guess is probably not.

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

One thing-- when babies or children are adopted from another country-- often a country that is very poor-- then a celebrity comes along such as Madonna and takes a child from its own family--

They are not taking the child away from his family. The family either doesn't want the child or cannot afford to raise him, so it is a good thing that someone else is willing to take care of him.

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

when a child forgets its former life and background how hard will it be for that child as it gets older and if the adopter has not helped keep the childs natural history and parentage in the foreground-- or later when the mature person wishes to find his or her original family then finds the poverty or totally different way of life.

will that child be glad he or she was taken into modern society for a better life! Maybe he/she will wish to go back to original home and if help is needed in its own country-- perhaps become involved.

There's no such thing as "natural history", your history is what you make of it. If a Vietnamese born girl is adopted by an American family, then this girl will grow up to be just as American as anyone else even if she was born some place else. If later on in life she wishes to go back to her birth place, she is free to do so and figure out what her life would've been like if she hadn't been adopted, and if she wants to make a life there she can do so, it's up to her.

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

personally I dislike celebrities taking children because I do not trust that they will really care for those adopted children.

Personally, I'd choose to live under the same roof as Angelina's rather than an orphanage.

[dogsbody70]

it must be good to have your confidence about everything.

Here is an adoption site--mostly american I think but interesting.

What’s Going on in China? — China Adoption


Debate: Are celebrity adoptions helping or hurting international adoption relations? - Helium

[RobinMask]

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[dogsbody70]

UM I 'll talk about this later-- but considering the kind of life that many celebrities lead-- FAME MEDIA etc are the children protected?


I know many adoptees plus mothers who had their babies removed and it is not simple at all.

to say there is no such thing as ones own natural history-- is nonsense.

even adoptees in their own countries DO have many problems about their roots and their back grounds. None of it is Black or WHite I assure you.

Our roots are very important indeed.

One can be blase about this -- but it is not straightforward as you seem to think.

[RobinMask]

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[evanny]

only thing that the environment doesn't affect is our looks - mostly everything is based on genes. other than that every baby is a blank sheet that gets filled during his lifetime by social cast he interacts with.
everything - who we are, what we like - is based on place we grew up, parents and social policies used.
no offence but it's dumb to ask if you would be different if you grew up in other place. not even thinking about like village in Africa - you would be totally different if you grew up with your neighbours as parents or only with one of your parents.

[File0]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

UM I 'll talk about this later-- but considering the kind of life that many celebrities lead-- FAME MEDIA etc are the children protected?


I know many adoptees plus mothers who had their babies removed and it is not simple at all.

to say there is no such thing as ones own natural history-- is nonsense.

even adoptees in their own countries DO have many problems about their roots and their back grounds. None of it is Black or WHite I assure you.

Our roots are very important indeed.

One can be blase about this -- but it is not straightforward as you seem to think.

I don't see many problem with celebrities and adoption. What you say is almost like you think celebrities shouldn't have children at all, that doesn't sound right.
But if you say these children are used to make someone more popular, and they are sort of trained and put in a pose they cannot possibly enjoy, than I must agree, this would be considered as a dreadful act, as no human being should be used as a mere tool of any but more importantly not for some shallow reason (like getting more famous-popular...).

I think there certainly is 'natural history'(though this expression does not really describe my thoughts). A person has nature, temper, characteristics and even talent, which all can be inherited.
And arguing about if it existed or not would be almost like arguing about if reincarnation exists or not, which really would lead nowhere, only in this case there are some proofs that nature does indeed(scientifically proven) shapes who we are, what are the perspectives of us and what possibilities we have etc... Anyone says otherwise have never met peoples who born with mongolism or autism etc. These are quite extreme examples so I give another one much less extreme - art-talent is something can(not necessarily) be inherited, translation: someone with talented ancestors for example musicians can inherit this talent (according to American researches and personal experiences) so if she was adopted and had never met her parents or anyone who she is blood-related to, and shows talent in music is not rare and not coincidental.
Well what I think about other factors of a person natural history would be certainly more arguable, so I think not sharing is the best...

For the OP:
Anyways I also dislike talking about my personal history, but if something to be said that wasn't before, I'd say my personal goal would be that I could over-leap the results of the environment and my nature, although I had beautiful childhood, have good education, wonderful family... Whoever pleased with itself hardly evolves.
And I don't believe in forcing people to do something. If someone is to really change, it must come from inside of a person not from the society or environment. All we can do that we shaw a possible way, what we genuinely think/believe is the best by acting so. I mean if there are problems caused slowly by society or environment, the only way to solve it is to slowly change it back bit by bit, and what can an ordinary person do?...

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by RobinMask

I'm pretty sure the discussion about adopted children and their roots has been had before, and many different people on the forum - some adopted and some not - all seemed to say the same thing. The family who raise you are your family, blood ties are not as important as you seem to think - (I'm including culture and native origins under 'blood ties') - and I really don't think the majority of adpotive children are as distraught, confused, or have any real crisis of identity as you make out.

No, it isn't black and white, but roots aren't important in the sense you make it out to be. To most adoptive children their family are the ones that raise them, that culture is there culture, and when there is a curiosity it's just a curiosity. Also not all celebrity children are Paris Hiltons or Kelly Osbournes, some lead very well-adjusted and productive lives, again because they had families who loved them - no doubt the adoptive children stand the same chances.

Edit: I also don't remember saying there is no such thing as natural history, just that identity is a seperate issue, and most children who are adopted at birth do not associate or identify with their natural history. (Sorry, I see the 'natural history' comment was aimed at Suki, but my point still stands).

I was involved for many years with ADOPTION-- and believe you me there can be many issues.

However I'll leave you all to think whatever you like


PS: for those who think the title ENVIRONMENT is a subject not worth discussing-- Then Just DON''T bother. either to read or to write. Its perfectly simple.

[RobinMask]

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