Environment/results
 

The discussion on japanese womens rights has spread to the way we bring our children up/ have a fulltime career


What actually is the result of environments where we were all brought up.


I am a strong believer in- that our childhood experiences last all through our lives and have repercussion or Benefits from our experiences through childhood.


I do believe that where we live is part of it.

Do we live in huge council estates or in the suburbs where possibly we may mix with different class of people.


Are we in a remote village--?

In a busy city or town where parents have to fight to get placements in a good school-- as is happening nowadays.


where we live at specific times can affect us I believe-- those we mix with, whether we have decent parents who do their best to socialise and teach us how we should behave. What encouragement we have had as a child and young person.

whether in big ESTATES where most youngsters hang around, with not enough to keep them occupied so they get up to mischief.

whether we are an only child-- who is spoiled-- or encouraged to do things sample the opportunities out there by partaking and joining in clubs-- learning to play sport, dance, play instruments---do various activities apart from school time.


Learning to mix with children from all races. some areas are really multi- cultural where more remote areas may not see many from other ethnic groups in society.


The place we grew or grow up has an influence on us in many ways-- the friends we made or lost.


HOw do you think your own child hood environment affected you an dmade you as you are-- or a general view about our Environment and its influence.?


Why do we have youths with knives here in the UK-- when it would have been unheard of not so long ago.


things are changing so fast-------- are we doing our best for our own children-------

Are parents getting sufficient help plus incentive to get out into the work place.


The benefit system will be changing- so hopefully less benefit cheats.


any thoughts on ENVIRONMENT and its effects.

An intresting argument!

Is it how you are bought up or where?

Nature or nurture?

well yes Nature and nurture but primarily WHere YOU LIVE or lived as you were growing UP.

Your environment and the influences around you.

I recommend a book titled "Affluenza" that you might find interesting.

Basically the premise of the book is that we in the west have never had it so good in terms of health and technology yet we are the more unhappy than we were in the 1950's

It seeks to find out why and concludes consumerism and materialistic attitudes are to blame.

oops... It seems I've forgotten how to embed

Anyway.. here's a video you might enjoy dogsbody. It sort of represents how I feel about society today.

YouTube - Everythings Amazing & Nobodys Happy

HI roni, he certainly is hilarious and much of what he says is true although not sure of the relevance here.

I thought this one was clever. thanks.

So yeah, the social environment in which you grow up influence your life and the person you grow up to be. I think everyone agrees on that, what's there to be discussed?

xDDD That was a laugh. Actually I used to be really excited the whole time of the flight when I wasn't used to flying on airplanes. It's what he says, I couldn't stop thinking "Geez I am sitting in a chair in the sky and I am flying at super fast speed!!!" But yeah, I couldn't agree more about everything he says. I mean, the whole thing with phones nowadays? Okay, you have an effin' I-something and it takes pictues and has an all-time internet access. So what? People actually think they can't do without any of this shit. It's so sad. I hate to see society becoming so high-tech obsessed.

whats not to discuss.

Our environment moulds us-- so why not talk about that.


Would you be who you are if brought up in a different environment.

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fair enough ROBIN.


the thing is that when we see the results of certain environments have on us all would we want to have changed that?


It doesn't have to be personal.


I am definitely the person I am because of my childhood circumstances.


I hav led a long life since then but growing up through a WAR for a start has maybe some positive or perhaps cynical or critical view on life. Not having security also had an effect.


One thing-- when babies or children are adopted from another country-- often a country that is very poor-- then a celebrity comes along such as Madonna and takes a child from its own family--


when a child forgets its former life and background how hard will it be for that child as it gets older and if the adopter has not helped keep the childs natural history and parentage in the foreground-- or later when the mature person wishes to find his or her original family then finds the poverty or totally different way of life.

will that child be glad he or she was taken into modern society for a better life! Maybe he/she will wish to go back to original home and if help is needed in its own country-- perhaps become involved.

I recently heard a Vietnamese born girl who had been adopted into the UK.

she is happy that she went to a good English Home but now wishes to help make a difference in her own country of Vietnam.

the environments would both be so different.


I think that where you live as a child can make or mar you. Is it in the lap of the GODS.


personally I dislike celebrities taking children because I do not trust that they will really care for those adopted children.

There's no way I can know for sure, but my guess is probably not.


They are not taking the child away from his family. The family either doesn't want the child or cannot afford to raise him, so it is a good thing that someone else is willing to take care of him.

There's no such thing as "natural history", your history is what you make of it. If a Vietnamese born girl is adopted by an American family, then this girl will grow up to be just as American as anyone else even if she was born some place else. If later on in life she wishes to go back to her birth place, she is free to do so and figure out what her life would've been like if she hadn't been adopted, and if she wants to make a life there she can do so, it's up to her.

Personally, I'd choose to live under the same roof as Angelina's rather than an orphanage.

it must be good to have your confidence about everything.

Here is an adoption site--mostly american I think but interesting.

What’s Going on in China? — China Adoption


Debate: Are celebrity adoptions helping or hurting international adoption relations? - Helium

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UM I 'll talk about this later-- but considering the kind of life that many celebrities lead-- FAME MEDIA etc are the children protected?


I know many adoptees plus mothers who had their babies removed and it is not simple at all.

to say there is no such thing as ones own natural history-- is nonsense.

even adoptees in their own countries DO have many problems about their roots and their back grounds. None of it is Black or WHite I assure you.

Our roots are very important indeed.

One can be blase about this -- but it is not straightforward as you seem to think.

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only thing that the environment doesn't affect is our looks - mostly everything is based on genes. other than that every baby is a blank sheet that gets filled during his lifetime by social cast he interacts with.
everything - who we are, what we like - is based on place we grew up, parents and social policies used.
no offence but it's dumb to ask if you would be different if you grew up in other place. not even thinking about like village in Africa - you would be totally different if you grew up with your neighbours as parents or only with one of your parents.

I don't see many problem with celebrities and adoption. What you say is almost like you think celebrities shouldn't have children at all, that doesn't sound right.
But if you say these children are used to make someone more popular, and they are sort of trained and put in a pose they cannot possibly enjoy, than I must agree, this would be considered as a dreadful act, as no human being should be used as a mere tool of any but more importantly not for some shallow reason (like getting more famous-popular...).

I think there certainly is 'natural history'(though this expression does not really describe my thoughts). A person has nature, temper, characteristics and even talent, which all can be inherited.
And arguing about if it existed or not would be almost like arguing about if reincarnation exists or not, which really would lead nowhere, only in this case there are some proofs that nature does indeed(scientifically proven) shapes who we are, what are the perspectives of us and what possibilities we have etc... Anyone says otherwise have never met peoples who born with mongolism or autism etc. These are quite extreme examples so I give another one much less extreme - art-talent is something can(not necessarily) be inherited, translation: someone with talented ancestors for example musicians can inherit this talent (according to American researches and personal experiences) so if she was adopted and had never met her parents or anyone who she is blood-related to, and shows talent in music is not rare and not coincidental.
Well what I think about other factors of a person natural history would be certainly more arguable, so I think not sharing is the best...

For the OP:
Anyways I also dislike talking about my personal history, but if something to be said that wasn't before, I'd say my personal goal would be that I could over-leap the results of the environment and my nature, although I had beautiful childhood, have good education, wonderful family... Whoever pleased with itself hardly evolves.
And I don't believe in forcing people to do something. If someone is to really change, it must come from inside of a person not from the society or environment. All we can do that we shaw a possible way, what we genuinely think/believe is the best by acting so. I mean if there are problems caused slowly by society or environment, the only way to solve it is to slowly change it back bit by bit, and what can an ordinary person do?...

I was involved for many years with ADOPTION-- and believe you me there can be many issues.

However I'll leave you all to think whatever you like


PS: for those who think the title ENVIRONMENT is a subject not worth discussing-- Then Just DON''T bother. either to read or to write. Its perfectly simple.

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