Japanese views on sexual entertainment
 

When I go to Tokyo this summer I'll probably try out a few strip clubs. Will I be among old perverted guys, or do Japanese people in their 20s also visit such places?

Also what does Japanese people think about paying for sexual entertainment/services (prostitution, strip clubs etc) - do they see it as here in Norway, something only for desperate old men that can't get a woman?

I'm interested in this as well as I plan to do the same thing as the OP

As far as I am aware the whole area is called water play, or wet play, something similar.

I will find my sources later, but I remember reading that full on prostitution is harder to find and quite rare, but most hostess bars will have back rooms for massages and such.

The places that do prostitution tend to mainly have girls who emigrated from other parts of Asia, sometimes working illegally. The higher up hostess bars and less-seedy massages are mainly Japanese girls and at the top of the food chain are the tall/blonde western beauties who often don't do anything seedy unless it involves a specially arranged private date and will cost you an absolute fortune in time and money. I believe they are called dohan.

It was mainly salarymen I saw going into hostess bars and other places covered by the telltale plastic hangdown sheets of half naked anime girls..or places with profile style photos of girls stuck outside.

Not sure about strip-clubs in the western sense. Not sure that is all that well known in Japan.

Are you talking about Mizu-shoubai? [水商売, The "water trade"]

I have been in plenty of hostess bars, and is the OPPOSITE of how they run their businesses. By being flirtatious and cute the hostesses can keep the customers coming back again and again. The whole point is, once she has sex with her customer the mystery is gone, and chances are he will not want to spend any more money on her. Hostess bars capitalize on a man's ego and desire to score.

A club where illegal SE Asian women are employed as prostitutes would be considered for bottom dwellers. 99% of hostess bars in Japan are staffed by Japanese women, and no prostitution is involved.

Those probably weren't hostess bars, but may have been massage places. Here a lighter form of prostitution takes place, and in general foreign men are not welcome.

I have never seen one in real life, butI have seen them on TV, but it is more of a cabaret type show than one girl dancing to Warrent's "Cherry Pie".

The Japanese sex industry is massive. There's a service which caters to every interest/fetish possible, and then some. I won't go into the details but check out a site like fuzoku.jp to get an idea of what's out there.

As for public perception, it's much more accepted than it is in western countries. For example, when I visited a famous Yukaku in Osaka a few years ago, I was surprised to see men in their work uniforms strolling the streets. I even witnessed an employee coming out from an establishment as he thanked his boss for treating him. (What the hell, I work my ass off and I get a Starbucks gift certificate!)

With that being said, most of these establishments are off limit to foreigners. Unless you see a sign which specifically says, "Foreigners welcome", I'd go with the assumption that you aren't welcome.

Yeah, I reckon you're right spicytuna.

I mean come on.. we're talking about the land of Loli Porn for Chreezy's sake.

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As far as I know, "desperate old men" in Japan have enough money to acomplish so-called "sexual tours" to any part of the world.:)

You sure make silly comments for a mod. You've never even been to Japan.

Tours that men from all over the world, including the US and Europe, participate in.

I will be watching this thread, and if it gets too misinforming, it will be closed.

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Of course, they do. No offence to japanese men in particular, I just mean that many old men aren't SO desperate on a specific field "to get a woman".:)

I'm specifically looking for hostest clubs and massage parlors that allow foreigners in. Looking for either general areas or specific places. Can anybody help?

Also looking for bars and clubs (regular ones without prositutes) that are welcoming to foreigners.

You are not reading what I am saying. Hostess bars are not brothels. You can expect to spend five to ten times the amount of money you wound in a regular club, but don't expect any sex. For the most part, foreigners (with money) are surely welcome.

I don't know of any massage parlors that service foreigners.

Pretty much all bars and clubs are welcoming to foreigners.

I didn't say hostess bars are borthels. I'm not expecting any sexual service there. Just drinks and conversations with pretty women. Money is not an issue (hopefully).

I am expecting sexual services at the massage parlors however, so I am looking for ones that let foreigners in. But if I can't find any that may be something I do after moving to Japan and getting friendly with the local yakuza.

I'm just being honest.

So am I.....

I live near the main strip of downtown Kobe, and twice a month or so I get little flyers for "delivery health", a chick comes to your house, if you let it be a random one it's like 100$ for 90minutes, and she will officially do absolutely anything except for penetration. Her driver waits outside, and you can request various kinds of cosplay or body types etc.
Like I said "officially", I know plenty of guys that do this and penetration is often involved.
(I haven't ever done it myself, my gf would slaughter me, so my info comes from what's written on the flyers and stories from my friend and you can do some online research on it too)
I can upload pictures but I have a feeling they would belong more on 4chan.

There are places you can go to called fuzoku, but they would never let a foreigner in so forget about that.

If you go to bars/clubs you'll be very disappointed, if you can even get in, the money is made off of you drinking and "thinking" you'll get some, but getting a light touch at most. They aren't directed at tourists but rather at return addict customers.

Honestly, if you just want to get laid and you aren't hideous, go to a dance club and you'll be the one to get picked up by what most westerners call a hot chick within moments, seriously.

The sex industry in Japan is a very confusing but active place. Some TV stars openly admit that they go to fuzokus, saying things like "everyone does it..."

Delivery Heath: デリバリーヘルス - Wikipedia
(english) Delivery health - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fuzoku: 風俗店 - Wikipedia
Giant note: Delivery Health IS legal (if they insist there is no penetration, which they obviously lie about).

Sexual services is a broad term. If you're looking for actual intercourse, the only legal establishments which offer that are soaplands. They're mostly concentrated in the Yoshiwara area of Tokyo and near Kawasaki station in Kanagawa but I'm pretty sure that 99% of them will reject you.

Your best bet would be to visit a place like Kabuki-cho in Shinjuku. Visit one of the many information booths and tell them what you're looking for.

And make sure you have nothing in your wallet you plan on seeing again in the morning.

It is illegal to do "actual sexual intercourse".
May I write?.........
Doing by the hand or the mouth is lawful. The real thing is illegal.
18 years old or less is an out even in case of other party's lie.
There is no criminal punishment when the other party is married people, However, the compensation money request is possible.
( the statute of limitations runs out after 30 years)
Hold out so that it is not cheated. ;)

Anyone else find it more than just a little bit weird that you would be planning to visit prostitutes in another country? Just seems so damned creepy to me...
But then I have never sought out the services of a prostitute in any country and don't quite understand the allure :confused:

Remember who started this thread....

Don't be surpirse, but I know people who would visit another country just for that reason

I took a few friends with me to Japan in 2007, including me, there were only 2 orientals in that group. My Italian friend really want to visit a strip joint so I took them. I had a hard enough time taking them to a strip joint in Osaka (Juso OS or something), it cost me a bit of broken conversation with the old man sitting at the front to let us in, even after entering, the bouncer (i will call them that, but I am sure they are associated with a family) keep walking by us. Its not a form of discrimination, they are just extra careful with a foreigner.

That was with a strip join. And as far as I know, any establishment that provide any kind of sexual services will most likely NOT let a foreigner in.... there are exceptions I am sure, but very very rare

Hostess bar is completely different story, the aim was no to sell sex, but to sell expensive overpriced drinks...

If your interest is just in prostitution (Oriental to be specific), you should go to Thailand or Philippine, or China.... Japan is just not the place for it. Unfortunately, contradict to popular believes, Non-Orientals attract attention in Japan because they stood out as minority and nothing else....

Having sex with someone from a different country is a turn on. To me, anyway. I dunno if it's just me or there're people out there who feel that way. As a woman, I don't find appealing the idea of having sex with a person who does so for a living, and I doubt I'd feel any differently about it if I were a male. However, I do understand the thrill that comes with sleeping with a stranger who doesn't speak the same language as you, for some weird reason. But before paying a hooker I'd try to get someone do it for free, someone who'd be willing to try the same experience.

Going to a strip club doesn't mean you're getting laid. On the contrary, most strip clubs forbid the girls to have any kind of contact with the customers.

Thanks, water-trade that is the word I was scratching my brain for.

I am confused, you said you have seem the opposite, then went on to explain that there is no prostitution in host bars. That is what I said. It is very rare to have anything above a massage (ie light flirting)
What is opposite?


again that is what I said, the places of actual prostitution are the SE women in low class establishments.

I really hope the last part about moving to Japan then getting to know the Yakuza is a joke!:rolleyes:

If you want to have conversations in Hostess bars better hope your Japanese is up to scratch, although これはとても高い飲物ですよ is probably all you'll be able to remember when the bills comes.

Japan is not really a place for foreigners to come for prostitution I feel, it exists in various guises for the locals, but as MMM and someone else said it seems foreigners are really not welcome, as this amounts to some kind of sexual tourism, which is not a great reputation for Japan to be giving out really.

I am sure there are other parts of Asia you can go for sex tourism.

As for clubs and bars, there are various websites I sure you can find that explain good places for gaijin to have a good time and even chat-up/pick-up women.

tokyoclubbers.com

Seemed a good explanation to me, but I have not been drinking really whilst in Japan so can't vouch for the accuracy of it.

In the Gotanda (Tokyo) area, appropriately nicknamed "Hoetanda," you'll get propositioned for sexual services every ten meters. I only thought it was HJs and whatever at first, but a friend told me first hand it's actual intercourse. I'm pretty sure it's with SE Asian women though. And they accept foreign customers because they specifically target you and will ask in English.

I'm kind of curious if anyone can answer a question though. People always say that cops have nothing to do here in Japan, yet there are "pimps" all over the major stations on weekends. Why don't the cops deal with this?

If a foreigner can't get laid within a few hours of stepping foot inside the average dance club then he's got some serious problem.
Just in case it's not the same everywhere in Japan, the places I know for sure are the Sam&Dave clubs in Osaka and especially Kyoto and I've heard it's the same in all major cities.
The concept of paying for sex just blows my mind.

The sex trade in all it's forms is legal so long as penetration doesn't occur. Assuming the organization has registered itself, check out デリヘル.

Yeah, I've heard of the "no penetration" standard, but there are plenty of people I've talked to who've gone all the way, and most of the time I'm propositioned it's for "full service." All a cop would have to do is either do an underground sting or just follow the pimp back to their shop, kick down the door, and see what activities are taking place.

You'd have to catch it right in the act, and even then the parties involved could say it was just .... 素股
You're right that it's very often full service, though on paper it's not usually advertised that way.
Many of the デリヘル flyers I get say no penetration but have pics of blatant sex. Kind of a massive read-between-the-lines lol.

That's true, theoretically speaking.

However, soaplands are able to get around that regulation using some creative techniques. While I'm sure that many 風俗 workers will accept a bribe for intercourse, it's generally accepted that soaplands include that in their fee.

Pimps? Are you talking about the young guys in the black suits?

I'm sure the police are aware of what's happening but there's either a loophole or it's just too much of a hassle.

For example, if a client calls a Delivery health and has a girl come to his house, I doubt that the police can enter his home on the suspicion that penetration is involved.

Or take a place like Tobita Shinchi in Osaka. One of the biggest red light districts in Kansai where there are around 200 prostitutes sitting in front of their tea houses dressed in various attire. You can walk up to any of them and ask them what's included and they'll tell you straight up that, "ここは最後まで出来ます".

And yet there's a Koban located just a hundred meters away. :confused:

Does this count even if you are going alone to a club?

Rugs are oriental. People are Asian.

Hostess bars are not places to look for sex. There are no "champagne rooms" in the back where you can expect sexual relations. Everything happens in the open, and that is flirtatious conversation with essentially no chance of sexual activity. Girls that have sex with their customers lose their jobs, because the customers stop coming back... they move onto the next one.

These are considered to be in a completely different category as pink salons, massage parlors, or soaplands, where the point is sexual activity (though legally not "all the way".) There is nothing to be ashamed of by going to hostess bars, and I often went with colleagues and friends, both male and female. Does that clear it up a little?

I have been in that district, too, and I think it is a bit of a special case, as I heard it has some kind of historical designation, as it has existed as is for so many hundreds of years.

Though, I agree, it would be hard to enforce the "no penetration" law.

Yeah I think we are still misunderstanding each other a little though, when we were essentially saying the same thing. By massage I don't mean anything sexual, just like a private booth where you might get a fully clothed backrub or shoulder rub in a light flirty way? Does even this level of contact not happen in some hostess bars?

The second category you are talking about are what I was trying to call "the sort of hostess bars that employ SE Asians and are in shadier districts" I just didn't know the terminology, so sorry if I confused by labelling them as a type of hostess bar, I always saw them as very different places.


For anyone else interested in learning more, such as the OPs:

I saw a really interesting documentary on male host bars once:
THE GREAT HAPPINESS SPACE

Stratosphere girl Stratosphere Girl (2004) - IMDb is fictional but touches on some aspects of hostessing too.

There may be some physical contact in a hostess bar, but everything happens in the open. Hostesses are not masseuses. A brief shoulder rub or might happen, but in many hostess clubs the girls will never come out from behind the counter, so physical contact would practically be impossible. The mama regulates where the girls go, who they talk to, and whether or not they can sit down with them.

I think you are talking about two different things here, but it is easy to mix up, as there is some gray zone, I think. I have been to a Filipino hostess club before, and they basically cater to Filipino clients... Filipino men living in Japan... They weren't prostitutes, but I heard that some of them dabbled on the side. On the other hand, there are brothels (I understand) where you can find Russian women or Chinese women or women from other countries nearby less off than Japan. My sense is these places do not discriminate against foreigners.

You mean doing actual work instead of giving directions and checking bike registrations? It's honestly not like they've got anything better to do.