Martial Arts
 

Ok this even hard for me to say because i have been a fan of martial arts for the longest...

However the time has finally come where i just have to say that this Martial arts stuff is all a load of S***. I have been involved in so much violence in my life and so many fights and never once have i seen or used any martial arts move FOR AN ADVANTAGE in any scenario. I bet there are people who will disagree but i am telling you i train with some hardcore martial artists and yeah they are extremely fit and healthy but i have seen them get battered on a night out by joe nobody and the ones that dont - dont actually use any martial art to asist them either - its all fake!

real fighting with real agression involves no planning or no art, you just collide and go for it. (maybe there might be an argument on the stamina side)

lol.. Martial arts doesn't guaruntee invincibility. It sounds like you need to change your focus. Even though I would say Kung-fu or TaeKwondo or Karate (except Kyokushin) wouldn't work in a real fight.. they are still respectable arts because they encourage self-improvement and health.

Anyway which martial art has failed you?

In my opinion Boxing or Muay Thai are the only effective ones for streetfighting. They teach you how to throw a good punch and they emphasise full contact sparring a lot which is probably the most important thing in martial arts.

In a one-on-one situation Judo or BJJ are effective too.. but streetfights are rarely one-on-one situations.

I have a part time job as a doorman at the moment and must say that there are some good Aikido moves that involve wrist or joint locking that I've learnt that work when I need people to move or need to control someone.

I disagree that karate is useless in a real fight. I think it all depends on how much training and exposures one has.

I think Kyokushin Karate is the only Karate that is useful.

It emphasises full contact sparring that other karate styles don't. If there are other full contact karate styles that are out there that I don't know about then my bad... but point style karate sparring or semi-contact or non-contact sparring is just not realistic and in no way helpful in a real situation.

arts
 

[yawn]. Seems, all your fights took place in a bars or pubs filled by drunk peasants.
Try to fight combat Sambo wrestler or any guy who seriously learned Kyokushinkai or Kudo Daido Juku. After that, we' ll talk about advantages / disadvantages.:)

in addition
 

KUDO DAIDO JUKU

YouTube - Kudo Daido Juku 3rd World Championship, Tokyo, Japan, 15 november 2009

KYOKUSHIN

YouTube - This is Kyokushin fighting


Enjoy !:)

The Kudo daido is pretty good.

It's like amateur MMA with space helmets lol.

Their ground game is not very good though. Get a Brazilian Jiu-jitsu fighter in the same positions as these guys on the ground and he will own.

karate
 

A bit more tougher than in Kyokushinkai, right? :) That's why Takashi Azuma created this style. Various punches, kicks and grapples from any other arts of boxing and wrestling. Minimum of limitations and maximum of reality.

And guy in white wasn't so dogmatic in fighting as his opponent in blue. For instance, his punches remind boxing, his reverse kicks are clearly borrowed from Savate or Muai Thai.


Quite possible:)

Interesting. Thanks :)

practical fghting
 

..and if we are talking about pure street fighting, good skills of classical boxing may be very useful against any kind of punches and kicks.:)
A guy from Turkey succesfully repelled an attack of a local "fat boss" and his agressive sidekicks:)

YouTube - Real super street fight (in Turkey)

I still stand behind karate. Some school that teaches traditional goju ryu teaches beyond point sparring. And it really depend on how the person train. I myself trained in taekwon do and goju ryu. I take my training beyond the dojo, using what i learn from the dojo, i have regular sparring session with people fro different art, our sparring are al. Full contact, k1 style. So it's really how one train themselves

If you take your training beyond the dojo then it's no longer goju-ryu that's teaching you how to fight. It's yourself.

The styles I and Termogard mention teach you how to fight INSIDE the dojo.

Hmmm I suppose, fair enough, but my fighting style is still based mostly on the goju principal

style
 

Ronin is completely right. Street isn't a dojo and one need to train hard. As for style....

Applied karate: blocks and counter-attack, front kick training.

YouTube - Gru Spetsnaz

thanks for your reply ronin and maybe i was a bit harsh on the "arts" however i still maintain that the main reason theyre good for is to physically train your body to be fitter and so maybe perform better, however not to provide any specific skill once actually fighting.

the thing is anybody can throw a punch you dont need martial arts to teach you that, maybe train you so that you can throw harder and better but so will other exercise.

Iv watched the vids posted - none of them represent an actual street brawl theyre done on stages with padding and guards and more importantly with rules or there fighting really slow as in th case of the rusian vid. More over when youv got 2 guys with thesame martial arts expertise both trained the same both trained to think in the enviroment of their art well you can see them pausng and hesitating while trying to "outsmart or counter" teir opponents move - real street fighting isnt like this at all.

I knwo a martial artist who on the DAY of his wedding! got into a fight with another guy who was smaller than him the little guy jumped on him and bit off the front lower part of his face - he was truly fucked up - he has tp have plastic surgery every 8- 9 months now and guess what he doesnt go to the gym anymore.

Street fight has no rules... a properly train martial artist are trained to be prepared for all kind of situation and attack. Your example of a punch, sure, anyone can throw a punch, but how many knows how to do it properly? And how many know how to hold their fist properly? As ronin said, the training doesn't make you invincible, but having the additional knowledge and be able to apply it is different... people who train in the art and is too comfy sparring in the partner is totally different from someone who train to handle street situation specifically.... In my dojo, we have multiple type of training: Traditional and Sport. Traditional training is very very different, we emphasize on real street situation... anything is allowed, the "below belt" rule does not exist

in that case wouldnt boxing be fine - what extra would you gain from martial arts as opposed to normal boxing or kickboxing?

Nothing. Martial Arts = Fighting Arts. Boxing and Kickboxing is one of them. Each art has its highlights, pros and cons.... I wasn't debating whether any robed/belted art is better than others or boxing/kickboxing. I am just saying that being trained is better than not being trained, and definitely have a better chance at facing something on the street. A well trained street fighter is a different story

video
 

[Sigh]"Slow video" represents just a training of blocks and kicks. This is not a kumite. In real "street" situation a skilled fighter from a unit of a special force may easily kill his opponent by a front kick in abdomen. Fighter's leg in a heavy army boot is a very serious thing.
Speaking for myself. Usually I try to avoid any possible conflict situations. But real life gives various "surprises". I hate to brag but learning and training of applied karate saved me in street fights at least two times. One or two good sudden fast hand strikes into nose, eyes, ears or throat of your opponent, one or two good sudden strong low-kicks on knee or abdomen.


Perhaps, that "martial artist" knew nothing more than monkey screams and strange, overcomplicated movements from chinese kung-fu movies.

Here is a video about a guy, skilled in boxing versus two street scums. He defended his girlfriend very well.:)

YouTube - Боксер

a point
 

Golden words:)

Watch the UFC or any other major Mixed Martial Art's Organization and you will see how Martial Art's can make you a deadly weapon.

You can't just join an American Karate Dojo and hope to kick ass on the streets.. ;D you need to join a combat Dojo. Maybe even an MMA Dojo and then study it extremely hard.

Ok now that i agree with you!

That martial artist was once underground no rules champion in uk - he is no pussy believe me. Your video btw - is nothing more than good punches - i see that almost every weekend, and almost every day at the gym.

let me guess though - my gym is full of untrained monkey peasants whilst you train with ninja super heroes who complete special forces missions in their spare time, whilst simultaneously teaching shaolin monks the art of self -defence :p

gym
 

You observe good punches in your gym while that guy demonstrated good punches in street fighting.

What a brilliant example of humour from UK:) Is it considered to be funny joke, huh??