Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as Quickly as Possible'
 

Lone Chernobyl first-responders survivor speaks:

Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as Quickly as Possible'

"What message do you have for Japan?
Run away as quickly as possible. Don't wait. Save yourself and don't rely on the government because the government lies. They don't want you to know the truth because the nuclear industry is so powerful."

And yes, don't panic and trust what they tell you. 'They' being the same people that lobbied for continued use of a dangerous reactor in a heavy earthquake region of the world decades after it was deemed dangerous by experts.

I really hope this ends well for Japan.

Running away
 

Nice quotation of survived liquidator given by AOL:rolleyes:

I was reading other interviews of Manzurova and other former liquidators of Chernobyl disaster a year ago or so. She called for "immediately runnnig from a possibly contaminated zone of disaster, up to 30 kilometers". Not about "running from prefecture, region, state of country.....

Manzurova's quotes from AOL interview :

"Where did you find the dog and how did he survive?

We moved into a former kindergarten to use as a laboratory and we found her lying in one of the children's cots there. Her legs were all burned from the radiation and she was half blind. Her eyes were all clouded from the radiation. She was slowly dying.

Were you able to rescue her?

No. Right after we moved in, she disappeared. And this is the amazing part. A month later we found her in the children's ward of the (abandoned) hospital. She was dead. She was lying in a child's bed, the same size bed we found her in the kindergarten. Later we found out that she loved children very much and was always around them."

Current animals living in Chernobyl Zone:

Be wary
 

Interesting news find. Just be careful because the incident here is a lot different than Chernobyl. Also, it's not that easy for people just to get up and run. This is our home. People stayed in New Orleans after Katrina for the same reason. It's not easy to leave. Things here are better than they seem and a lot of the hype is the media, thank goodness :)

Tam
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The Japan system has a better containment unit..considering the Russian reactor was built with out one. I still say they are overblowing this whole thing. The animals around chernobyl are alive and reproduceing, the forrests thrive..they all just happen to be radioactive. Life adapts.

leave the area
 

yes, i agree with your opinion : leave the area .. at moment 80 km says the americans, but i think 500 - 1000 km ... the situation is very bad and they have no solution ... i hope a lot of people will take care of themselfes and LEAVE THE AREA now very suddenly ... :vsign:

Here we go again...

..|.,

yes of course .. i will be always there for the rest of your life in the net ... :ywave:

at moment the responsable person in japan ignore any international information to evacuate people out of that area, its really unbelieveable .. greenpeace made own measures of radiation ... but the politicans seems to be completely mad : otherwise there is no explanation for that ... even the japanes nuclear office says that people must be more evacuated than yet ... so, go out the area ... japan says 40 km, usa says 80 km and i say 500-1000 km ... :vsign:

and they will not have a solution, it goes worser and worser now up to the chain reaction ... for that, go away as far as possible ... the action that they do at moment is only to save time, but no solution ... the meaning of all international specialist are told in our tv : the japanes make curious try to save but it will not help to stop it ... :eek:

i think it will be the biggest catastrophy in mankind and i think north japan will not be settleable for the next 250 thousand years ...

after chernobyl this is our second and last warning ... the third is the end ... nature hits back ... the mankind is not able to be respectful and responsable for the things they do ... thats a fact ... life is a great gift ... we must think about that ...

of course animals go in the zone and be radiated and will be ill or die .. you see them going there but you donnot know how long they will survive ... the animals which was in the catastroph time there are all shot down by a special team, cats, dogs, cows, all was killed of an 50 men special commando ... thats fact ...:eek:

and of course you cannot eat this fish ... if radiation is in your body you are definitive k.o. ... this is the badest dangerous thing you can do, to eat or drink s.th. from that radiated zone ... :mad:

あなたは人類最大の悲劇です

Here in Zimbabwe we watch tv and it's scary really what is going on
i watch news so i KNOW Europe is in great danger because of too many nuclear plants and Japan is very close
i would like to invite you to my country Zimbabwe, we are greenpeace
no nuclear plants...only green green...green forever
we
we are in great need of red so it would be lovely if u can help us
p.s. is africa far enough?
Regards:ywave:

You should be more scared about the black holes from the Large Hadron Collider at your border with Switzerland.
I mean LEAVE THE AREA, take a spaceship and zoom out of this galaxy. You already seem to be out of it a bit...but still to be sure, RUUUUUN for your life. If I can save at least a pair of blue jeans from the black hole, I can say my life is complete.

And the Japanese can move to Germany and start builiding more reliable cars.

Hahahaha....Protheus...you nailed it there. That's actually what they are trying to make at that place...Blackholes..I mean really.

Bluejeanslady, if your really worrid about death and destruction..the idea of trying to creat Blackholes...wich are gravity wells that could completely wipe out this planet in seconds..Should worry you far more than some low level radiation leak at a busted reactor 10,000 miles away. You see..the radiation won't bother you where you live..a Blackhole could kill everything on earth in an instant.

Is there another option? There were no hopes of resurrecting the Fukushima plant anyways (all 6), so regardless of "Closing" it or not, they will need a new alternative eventually to fill the gap...

couch potatoes
 

well you couchpotatoes, especially thermogard + real james + godwine .. i told you all this before ... now the world can see that japan hits our ocean / water and our air and our nature worldwide ... you will pay regress for that all .. and of course, the people of vancouver, one of the beautifulliest places of the world will start next with regress, because they lose their worse of houses and land and nature, their income ... so, save money to pay this all .. it think this will be the direct way for japan from a modern rich country to a poor 3rd world country ... i will buy nothing form japan in future, no car, no technics, no fish or sushi - never again :ywave: ... but you know everything better than the rest of the world and your interest and reaction is terrible slowly and you are always lying ... i say you are arrogant couch potaoes ... at first you kill thousands of dolphins and wales every year and now you are going to kill people worldwide who has nothing to do with you ... think the mood will change because japan is really a arrogant country which do not like to wake up and see the reality ... your mistake was not to say at once after it happen worlwide HELP WE HAVE AN NUCLEAR ACCIDENT AND NEED HELP FROM SPECIALISTS WORLDWIDE AT ONCE ... you did not do this, no you will pay a lot of regress for all the damages you do ...

I deleted the message, talking to a wall and making it understand would be more sane than trying to learn something to some jeans.

Sanity
 

User CP (located below the big Japan Forum logo)->
Buddy/Ignore Lists (located under Miscellaneous on the Control Panel on the left side of your screen)-> Ignore List (the bottom of the two boxes)=>

Copy and paste "bluejeanslady" (without quotes of course).

Click on Save List (located in the Ignore List box) and enjoy!

If ever there was a good case for banning someone from this forum surely these continually more and more riduculous comments from BJL warrant the consideration of the mods?? She is only getting worse. Don't think anyone on the forum would object mods! ;)

Quickly LEAVE GERMANY!! Time is running out! you are so close to Chernobyl! go! Be smart! I am concerned about your health!

Funny enough, none of us ever said anything about it having no impact. Yet her comment was directing just at us

BJL, you should learn how to read, obviously, you don't, otherwise you would have clearly see that I never doubted there will be impact. While I wasn't expecting (and definitely don't agree to) the Japanese government to make the hash decision of just dumping the water into the ocean (plus, none of our statement were made with the knowledge that the government will do this), we were not debating over whether or not there will be an impact. We were just debating over some stupid dumb b!tch's idea of evacuating for 1000 miles, the A$$ f*cked obviously have sh!t in her brain. You made it sound like we doubted there will be any impact, and we doubted how serious this is.......

Secondly you seriously need to learn how to spell. Its painful enough to trying to guess what you are trying to say....

Go and support your German engineering marvel. Both my Audi and VW (Just so you know, they are DEISGN AND BUILT in your country) uses NGK spark plug (Japanese), Hitachi coils (Japanese), and Clarion audio system (Also Japanese). If you think its that easy to just "Not buy anything from Japan", you are very wrong

run as soon as possible
 

Why Germany?;) Leave Europe! :eek:

Actually this was to be expected, as they were pouring every day thousands of liters of water to cool those troubled reactors. Although they poured radioactive water in the ocean, its level of radioactivity and the amount of radioactive dangerous elements (such as Cesium) are too low to be a danger for an area bigger than at most 50 square km of seawater*. Most of the radioactivity was from Iodine, which has a half life of about 9 days, so besides being diluted in millions of liters of water, it looses about half its radioactivity every 9 days.
Also the impact on marine life is almost nonexistent, since the area it was poured in, was already struck by a tsunami that ravaged everything there and scattered the fauna away.
Anyway, to comply with BJ, RUUUUUUUN, I heard jogging is good for the health and releases endorphins.


*forgot to mention, this is for most 2-3 days after pouring, until it gets diluted

Yeah I know about the water being pumped in, but i was expecting it to either have vaporized due to the heat within the reactor core, and whatever not vaporized will goes in to some sort of circulation system. Failing that, I was expecting them to pump the water to an alternate container

On a different note, depending on the type of material, short half life may not be a good thing, because that also dictates how long it will take to be "depleted" dud to diffusion and "radiation". But in this case, I don't think Iodine falls in that category of "Extremely toxic substance"

radioactivity
 

Without day-to-day monitoring of sea contamination it's too early to speak about completely safe situation.

well 1000km around Germany basically leaves Portugal, Spain, South Ireland...
So yeah Europe! Good point!

I am pretty sure she said 1000 miles, that will be around 1600KM... if we draw a circle of 1600 KM around Chernobyl how far will that be? And how far will that be if we draw a circle of the same distance around Fukushima?

Sorry, me geography as bad as BJL spelling...

Well that would be almost all of germany and a huge chunk of the middle east...

For Fukushima it would be 99% of Japan (everywhere except okinawa, but almost there actually), ALL of south korea, and north korea and a big chunk of eastern China and part of eastern Russia.

I bet there are very few places in the world, on land, that are more than 1600km from any nuclear plant...

Ah, so the solution is to either get rid of all the nuclear plant (BJL will be jumping up and down cheering for this), or just fly everyone to the moon......

Well clearly there are only two smart solutions, entirely change to natural energy sources asap, or improve nuclear power to a point of safety that nothing short of intentional sabotage could cause it to go wrong.
The best solution in the mean time is to do both while somewhat phasing out nuclear power dependency...
That's my opinion.

That will be the long term solution that make sense. There were other articles discussing the use of geothermal energy, i am not sure how close we are to that.

Its really sad that the efficiency of solar power is still very poor, I don't think there are any major breakthrough in that area for the last 10 years, it still cost a fortune to produce very little power, and its maintenance fee is so frigging high

a point of safety
 

Here is a my translation of interview of russian specialist of nuclear energy. He describes an emergency situation that occured at nuclear power plant located in Spitak-town of Armenia in 1988.

Source

The point is : no need to blame nuclear energy for rude human mistakes or plain irresponsibility......

I don't mean to blame nuclear power, but like you said it's human mistakes.

Human mistakes always happen, it's unavoidable. Making a system that doesn't have severe consequences when human error occurs is simply wiser.

Nuclear power is close, but not there yet.
If the windfarm manager comes to work drunk, it's a different story lol :)

blades
 

Or, say, if a bunch of extremal BASE jumpers makes a speedy fly through mentioned windfarm:eek: Still no reasons to blame wind energy for bloody mess of legs, arms and heads....

Radiation concentration
Fukushima>German>Tokyo>?
ODL Deutschland

I want to choose clean land if running away.

Well, if we buy the 1600KM suggestion, then nowhere on that side of the globe will be safe.

Come to Canada, build another Odaiba in the middle of lake Ontario.. that will benefit everyone, especially our boring country...

haha! that's awesome!
see that bjl? evacuate germany!!
thank you siokan!

rapid evacuation
 

Here is a musical gift, special for bjl :

Radiation Ruling the Nation

A perfect musical background while packing travel bags;)

Nuclear power can power my computer and everyone elses in the state. Windpower can pump water for the family cow. That's about the extent of it. Wind and solar will NEVER be suffcient for the power needs of today's lifestyle. I'm not apposed to those being utilized as best they can to supplement our other sources, but they can't replace them.

Okay I am fully convinced now that this is not some wacko lady from Germany, but a bonafide troll. Anyhow mods please ban this probably fat-ass never had a date, dorkfaced loser living in his parents basement, with nothing better to do than entertain himself by spamming about events stemming from a horrific tragedy. Enough already. Put this loser in his place so he can start spending his pathetic life elsewhere.

I won't say NEVER, it will take a while before they are sufficient. With enough turbine or panels in place, it can probably power a single family efficiently. We have programs in Canada (North America as a whole I think), where family can sell power back to the grid by installing their own panel. The panels look UGLY, and its huge (Occupy almost the entire roof of a single garage home), but its efficient enough to power that ONE house and sell power back to the grid

That said, the system itself cost over 6-8K to install, then there is the maintenance of it.

I think what they are trying to do is to make it efficient and cost effective enough that enough household are willing to adopt this, and everyone will be producing their own form of "free" energy. It will be a true dream if we can get 25% of household doing this...

It is very difficult to use Renewable energy in Japan.:(

"The population is few", "The country is wide", "There is a neighboring country in succession"
If one of the conditions is not filled, management cannot be done.

However, the photovoltaic power generation is the same as the recycling of dirt and ineffective.

Does not a huge battery drop anywhere?:( :( :(