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RickOShay 10-22-2011 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by termogard (Post 884294)
Sounds like a nonsense.

And what gives you special knowledge to know anything about how the WW2 generation of Japan feels?

It sounds like a you just disagree with no basis.

Ryzorian 10-22-2011 11:42 PM

Actually the children born in the era when Macarthur was in charge are called Macarthur's generation. He ran Japan almost like a shogunate for 6 years.

HOURAISAN 10-25-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 884299)
Actually the children born in the era when Macarthur was in charge are called Macarthur's generation. He ran Japan almost like a shogunate for 6 years.

/me imagines a white guy with a corncob pipe dressed up like Tokugawa Ieyasu

Awesome XD

Ryzorian 10-27-2011 12:48 AM

Well I used that image cause I didn't think "Occupation Tzar" fit.

termogard 10-27-2011 06:32 AM

special knowledge
 
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Originally Posted by RickOShay (Post 884295)
And what gives you special knowledge to know anything about how the WW2 generation of Japan feels?

It sounds like a you just disagree with no basis.

Oh, yeah. They were grateful to Americans for nuclear bombings, in particular.

Ryzorian 10-28-2011 01:00 AM

Term; Frankly I don't care if they liked it or not, it ended the war and for the US that's all that mattered. Historically, the US occupation of Japan help create one of the largest, most modern economies in the world.
Plus, they have the worlds best military protecting them for a fraction of the cost to maintain thier own army. So in some ways, they do pretty good.

termogard 10-28-2011 01:34 AM

protectors
 
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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 884709)
Term; Frankly I don't care if they liked it or not, it ended the war and for the US that's all that mattered. Historically, the US occupation of Japan help create one of the largest, most modern economies in the world.
Plus, they have the worlds best military protecting them for a fraction of the cost to maintain thier own army. So in some ways, they do pretty good.

Ryzorian, I see your viewpoint. Indeed, that's a right of a winner of war.
I disagree with a statement of other member of this forum concerning to warm feelings of "gratefull old japanese generations".:)

JohnBraden 10-28-2011 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by termogard (Post 884711)
Ryzorian, I see your viewpoint. Indeed, that's a right of a winner of war.
I disagree with a statement of other member of this forum concerning to warm feelings of "gratefull old japanese generations".:)

Perhaps the people were grateful because the occupying forces treated them in a manner unlike they were lead to believe they would. They may have been warned the Americans would kill everyone and spare nobody as a fear mechanism to fight until the end. It did happen in Okinawa, where civilians jumped to their deaths instead of becoming prisoners.

I'm quite certain the occupying forces weren't unkind to the local populace. And maybe they could even have grown fond of them, seeing as their own families were thousands of miles away in the states. It did happen to my mother and her sisters when the Japanese occupied their home in the Philippines. The Japanese officer, a colonel I think, who had appropriated my grandparents' home was fond of the girls since he had a few of his own in Japan and was missing them. He even had them learn "Sakura Sakura" so they could sing to him on occasion....

dogsbody70 10-28-2011 12:31 PM

May I recommend reading Embracing Defeat" by John Dower who explores deeply into the follow up to the war and its aftermath. It truly is an enlightening read.

Ryzorian 10-29-2011 01:58 AM

Everything is going to be seen through the lense of that person's perspective. I do it, everyone does it. The real truth is seldom how anyone thinks it to be. I think American soldiers behave better and more honerably than perhaps they have, while others believe American soldiers to have been more cruel and disrespectful than they probably were.

Guza 10-30-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RickOShay (Post 884277)
It's not a statue.. didn't you know? ;)

haha right, and it activates to fend off the city when godzilla comes to tokyo right?

Lakaluva 10-31-2011 09:23 PM

Japan is much better than the USA. Japan has honor and discipline, while the US is full of fat people.

No one in the USA would ever develop characters to be honorable. They always are shady or have a criminal past, and always are loners. USA is full of loner type people who think there are no other people on Earth like them.

I think Japan should have it's military but they should not use it against other people. Instead they should use it to help the country out when tsunamis and stuff like that happen. The USA has the national guard, so let the military of Japan become helpers, not imperialists.

Where I come from, there are Imams and Clerics who tell everyone what to do, and the military is corrupt. They held Osama bin Laden (his name be praised) until the US could attack him.

Go Lakers

Ryzorian 10-31-2011 09:57 PM

It's difficult to become the most powerful nation on earth, when all you have is a nation full of fat, lazy, dishonerable people. Japan thought that was what the USA was like back in the 40's...They learned how wrong that was. Just as Bin laden ( who rot's in hell) learned as well.

The US is a nation of everything, all kinds, people of all cultures who were unwanted and unloved everywhere else. They came to the USA to live free. To have no Iman's or clerics, Kings or queens, nor mini dictators telling them how to live, who to marry, or what to read. Freedom is what we crave, and we will crush anyone who seeks to take it from us.

DragonNL 11-04-2011 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 885120)
It's difficult to become the most powerful nation on earth, when all you have is a nation full of fat, lazy, dishonerable people. Japan thought that was what the USA was like back in the 40's...They learned how wrong that was. Just as Bin laden ( who rot's in hell) learned as well.

If you think Osama Bin Laden deserves to rot in hell I suggest you first take a look at your own presidents.
People should learn how to look past the western propaganda media.

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Harry Truman gave one single press release after the US murdered 200,000 people in Hiroshima. It's a military base, he said. And they were done with it. Obama's however been skiing slalom through all his bungling lies about Abbottabad and he can't seem to get his story straight. The people in the USA don't need more hints than that: Barry trying to find the winning lie and failing miserably every time.

This same 'Okey Dokey' president flew to Oslo Norway to accept the tribute of the Nobel Peace Prize even as he escalated another in a long line of wars of aggression and shoved off an additional 30,000 grunts to killing fields.

Does that leave an impression on the people in the US? Hardly. They congregate outside 1600 and cheer the murder of someone in a place so far away they can't even find it on a map. The final scenes of 1984 come to mind. But Winston Smith and Julia had to be tortured to conform; the people in the US are much much easier to fool.
In regard to Japan. Does it really matter if Japan has their military back or not? The're not looking for trouble so they get no trouble.

RickOShay 11-04-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakaluva (Post 885119)
Japan is much better than the USA. Japan has honor and discipline, while the US is full of fat people.

No one in the USA would ever develop characters to be honorable. They always are shady or have a criminal past, and always are loners. USA is full of loner type people who think there are no other people on Earth like them.

I think Japan should have it's military but they should not use it against other people. Instead they should use it to help the country out when tsunamis and stuff like that happen. The USA has the national guard, so let the military of Japan become helpers, not imperialists.

Where I come from, there are Imams and Clerics who tell everyone what to do, and the military is corrupt. They held Osama bin Laden (his name be praised) until the US could attack him.

Go Lakers

Troll much?

And if that really is your perception of the USA I suggest you just crawl back down into that hole you came out of cuz you seem pretty hopeless at this point about understanding anything truthful about the USA and probably the rest of the world for that matter.

Ryzorian 11-06-2011 10:41 PM

DragonNL; Rome was missed dureing the dark ages becuase as an empire it stablized whole regions. Love or hate the US the worlds far safer with it than without it. That's simply how it is.

DragonNL 11-07-2011 06:02 PM

Don't forget the law of attraction.

example:
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According to the law of attraction, the phrase "I need more money" allows the subject to continue to "need more money". If the subject wants to change this they would focus their thoughts on the goal (having more money) rather than the problem (needing more money). This might take the form of phrases such as "I do have more money" or "I will have more money".
The west and the US are asking to be attacked by terrorists because of your terrorist presidents. I would love to see how the world would be without the US as it is now.

Ryzorian 11-07-2011 07:47 PM

The terrorists attack the US because they hate freedom and the right to worship God how you choose. They hate that a statue of a women is in New York Harbor. They hate that Women are allowed to drive and run for office in the US. They hate that Jews are free to live life as they please in the US. They hate that a country that lives life completely oppisite of How Allah tells nations to live life, is so completely dominant over Muslim nations, who adhear to Allah's precepts. It's as if the world was upside down to them.

DragonNL; If the US wasn't here they would be attacking you, makeing you submit or die. I don't have to say it, they say it, all over their websites, TV, books and schools. Sometimes you have to tolerate the T-Rex it's due to save the heard from the raptors.

DragonNL 11-08-2011 12:40 AM

Ok, I started to laugh right after I read the first sentence.. :rolleyes:
It's so typical for Americans to think that.. Why can't you see the truth? I don't understand, it's beyond my comprehension... You of all people should understand that if I punch you in the face you can get angry, right? I give you this video again:



And God and Allah are one and the same. I'm reading the Quran at the moment and I can tell you it's right here on paper in the introduction that there's only one god. Only the name differs. Islam and the Quran are misunderstood.

Ryzorian 11-08-2011 11:32 PM

No, God and Allah are not the same. Go to Mecca and declare that Jehova, Buddah, Christ and Allah are the same God and they will cut your head off. The US is all that stands between you and thier scimitars, rejoice and be of glad heart for that.

RogerStarkey 11-09-2011 01:14 AM


I think Japan should have it's military but they should not use it against other people. Instead they should use it to help the country out when tsunamis and stuff like that happen. The USA has the national guard, so let the military of Japan become helpers, not imperialists.


But, it is the nature of Japanese to conquer, to be imperialists. A people cannot go against their nature forever...

Ryzorian 11-09-2011 04:10 AM

I would say that's more Human nature

DragonNL 11-11-2011 12:41 AM

Imperialist isn't the 'nature' of anyone. It's just that power corrupts, everywhere. Imagine an alternative universe where the kings and presidents of today are just random civillians. What do you think they are doing?
Or better yet, just take a look at yourself; do you want war or an unequal world? Do YOU want to be better at the expense of other people?

@ Ryzorian
If you mean Jezus Christ, then Christ isn't a god. He's just human. But a very wise and spiritual one.

If you don't even believe the Quran I won't waste my energy writing anything else about the god/allah topic.

tazzy 11-11-2011 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 886199)
No, God and Allah are not the same. Go to Mecca and declare that Jehova, Buddah, Christ and Allah are the same God and they will cut your head off. The US is all that stands between you and thier scimitars, rejoice and be of glad heart for that.

...no the won't.
Say that to many christians and they WILL get pissed, I know this from first hand experience. Muslims though tend to be the biggest proponents of them all being the same god.

Except for buddha, he isn't even a god let alone God. :s

Ryzorian 11-13-2011 11:59 PM

Christians these days don't get anything more than annoyed if you insinuate Christ and Jehova being the same as allah, muslims will kill you if you do. It simply is.

DragonNL; What you choose to believe is up to you and time will tell who's right or wrong. To many of us, the latter days are nigh.

I don't believe power corrupts man, I believe man corrupts power.

dogsbody70 11-14-2011 01:25 PM

"Strange - is it not? - that of the myriads who Before us passed the door of Darkness through, Not one returns to tell us of the road Which to discover we must travel too." -Omar Khayyam

DragonNL 11-14-2011 02:34 PM

'Al' means: the/only/particulair/distinct
'lah' means: that wich is worshipped/adored/obeyed

So Allah means: The only one worthy of worship, recognition and praise.
It's just an other word for God.
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We say Allah because in the Arabic word this means 'uniqueness' and 'without gender'. So from this point I'm going to use the word Allah. And you know that I'm not speaking of the Muslim god, I'm speaking of the creator of the heavens and earth, your lord and my lord. The same god of Moses and Abraham and Jacob and the Tribes and John the Baptist and Jesus Christ and the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him. The same god.
And you're right that Christ isn't the same as Allah, because Christ isn't a god.

Darketernal 11-14-2011 05:23 PM

I think America should instead increase it's army in the region

JohnBraden 11-14-2011 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Darketernal (Post 886948)
I think America should instead increase it's army in the region

Care to elaborate? I'm sure the locals, the ones who have to put up with the noise, the danger and the nuisance, would love to hear your explanation.

Ryzorian 11-14-2011 10:11 PM

DragonNL; Allah is derived from the arbian root word bel el alah wich also went by the name "Baal" in acient days. Baal wasn't a name given to Jehova. One of Allah's 99 names is "morning star"...this name is only given to one indvidual in the Bible and it's not God.

Christ is either who he said he was, or he wasn't. If he wasn't, then who cares? The world will go on till the sun dies 4 billion years from now. If he was who he said he was, then everything will happen because of Him. As written in the Revelation.

That's really all there is to it. It's either A. a big waste of time or B. the gathering of Two cosmic oppistes ready for the final confrontation. It's just a matter of faith.

DragonNL 11-15-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 886959)
Christ is either who he said he was, or he wasn't.

Jesus never said 'i am God'..& He is a Muslim - Khalid Yasin - YouTube

JohnBraden 11-15-2011 01:29 PM

This is turning too religious to be on this thread or forum....

Ryzorian 11-16-2011 04:46 AM

DragonNL; Christ claimed to be the Son of God, and will sit at the right hand of God in the latter days. This I choose to believe and will not be swayed from it. You can believe as you wish, that's your choice. I'm not going to argue about it anymore.

roy55kat 12-02-2011 06:37 AM

it is good info
honestly I doubt that a majority of Japanese people would even want to have an active military to begin with...

Ronin4hire 12-02-2011 06:16 PM

Ummm....

Japan has a military and it is a very capable one.

So capable that some say that it rivals the militaries of Britain and France.

/thread

Guza 12-02-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 888771)
Ummm....

Japan has a military and it is a very capable one.

So capable that some say that it rivals the militaries of Britain and France.

/thread

lol i thought japan was pretty tech advanced =/ all the robots and stuff they got

Lakaluva 12-02-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Guza (Post 888775)
lol i thought japan was pretty tech advanced =/ all the robots and stuff they got

Robots? Everyone sgot robots. Japan is tech advanced, but not because of their gadgets. They are smarter than Americans. When Americans didn't want the transistor, Japan took it and look what that did.

Luva thinks Japan could be his next home, just don't know if I can get the games there.

tokusatsufan 12-02-2011 10:49 PM

While we're on the subject,I overheard someone saying the trains in Germany were supposed to be faster than the Shinkansen. Is that true?

JohnBraden 12-02-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tokusatsufan (Post 888790)
While we're on the subject,I overheard someone saying the trains in Germany were supposed to be faster than the Shinkansen. Is that true?

Some, very few lines actually, may be faster, yes, but I wonder how "on time" they are. And the sheer number of departures is larger in Japan than it may ever be in Germany.

Ronin4hire 12-03-2011 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tokusatsufan (Post 888790)
While we're on the subject,I overheard someone saying the trains in Germany were supposed to be faster than the Shinkansen. Is that true?

huh?

When did we get onto the subject of Shinkansen speed?


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