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acatualy made in japan is good quality with good price and made in china cheap quality with cheap price so simple

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 874022)

The customer data service is run in Japan, by Sony. This is why users worldwide were hit. The actual in-country play servers didn`t have a problem. It was where they stored customer information - in Japan.

The hackers may have figured out how to access the information by messing with local bits of the network, but the actual hacking was done to the server in Japan. The server where they didn`t bother with much of any security.

Thats the opposite of how the media here presented the situation. Made it sound like the problem was completely on the US side.

Not really. I made a product comparison test with one of our own 100% "Made in Japan" and a cheaper Chinese order, to find out which carried bigger quality-to-cost ratio. The cheap Chinese design was vastly superior, but I would have flogged the whole assembly line. I wouldn't have been satisfied with just one flogging. :eek:

Japan has reputation, but lot of technical skills are gone and so is integrity for the most part (or I'm just in the wrong place). I have had to cancel a couple of projects because I couldn't find anybody who could deliver the necessary quality, the level I've already worked with while in Europe. Many times the subcontractors engage in small-talk, just so they can get friendly, and after wasting great amounts of time from my project, start suggesting that I "really don't need the designed quality" if they can't come through (dude, wrong, it's you who I don't need!).

Quality control requires integrity, and I don't see much of that where I'm sitting. That is bound to show up eventually. At the same time, European section chiefs in Chinese factories are sacking freebooters and opportunists without a second thought, an attitude that is attracting more and more Chinese who still read Kung-tse. There are over 1400 university programs teaching western quality control in China, and I have to say, I can't dismiss if there is "Made in China" somewhere there. At least they're doing something about it.

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Originally Posted by Nippom (Post 873944)

Yes, my last car has been a Toyota, way better than the VW's BTW.

Here's an article about the Toyota scare that lays it to rest;
An inconvenient truth about Toyota - The Globe and Mail

quote; ...the problem with the Toyotas was the driver – not some strange, hidden mechanical or electronic gremlin. Sophisticated independent studies have proven there was nothing wrong with the vehicles, that the brakes worked and throttles did not stick open on their own.

and... "Not a single case of unintended acceleration was found."

and... “After conducting the most exacting study of a motor vehicle electronic control system ever performed by a government agency, NASA did not find that the ETC electronics are a likely cause of large throttle openings in Toyota vehicles as described in consumer complaints,” NASA said in its conclusions.

The NHTSA report concluded that in cases where allegations were made that the brakes were ineffective or the incident began with brake application, “the most likely cause of the acceleration was actually pedal misapplication” – i.e., the driver was pushing on the accelerator, not the brake.

Both NASA and the NHTSA noted that “publicity surrounding NHTSA’s investigations, related recalls, and congressional hearings was the major contributor to the timing and volume of complaints.”

You can read the rest at the above link (which also goes to a page 2).

How could you come to any conclusion especially since Toyotas accelerators work without a cable? They use ETC.

Electronic throttle control (ETC) is an automobile technology which severs the mechanical link between the accelerator pedal and the throttle.

An ETC-equipped vehicle has no such cable. Instead, the electronic control unit (ECU) determines the required throttle position by calculations from data measured by other sensors such as an accelerator pedal position sensor, engine speed sensor, vehicle speed sensor etc.

It will be sometime before Toyota is cleared of this, maybe never. In April 2011 Toyota was forced to turn over the source code for its electronic throttle control, something it was fighting for over a year. Access to the electronic throttle source code is a key victory for attorneys representing Toyota sudden acceleration plaintiffs.

I'll take Made in Japan over Made in China or USA any day of the week.

Tell that to the judge dude,..
note the date of NHSTA report date is Feb 2011' and it is a unredacted report.

Toyota Plaintiffs Insist They Need a Look at Government Findings

Amanda Bronstad
The National Law Journal
March 18, 2011
From The National Law Journal

"Toyota has refused to provide unredacted copies of the full report
As recently as March 14,2011 Toyota's lawyers opposed a request for the report, but Selna told them to turn over an unredacted version of it once security issues surrounding Toyota's source code, which the report discusses, are agreed upon by the parties."

note regarding NHTSA Feb 2011 report:

"As recently as March 14,2011' Toyota's lawyers opposed a request for the report, but Judge Selna told them to turn over an unredacted version of it once security issues surrounding Toyota's source code, which the report discusses, are agreed upon by the parties."

April 29 2011' (Bloomberg) -- A federal judge overseeing lawsuits against Toyota Motor Corp. said the automaker will have to face economic loss claims over unintended acceleration allegations.

U.S. District Judge James V. Selna in Santa Ana, California, said the claims could go forward because vehicle owners met court standards on pleading loss or injury.

Selna also said in the tentative ruling he wouldn’t dismiss claims that Toyota violated consumer laws by not disclosing sudden acceleration problems to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration or to car buyers.

"Made in Japan" indicates that the product is made in Japan.

I know. My mind is blown as well.

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Originally Posted by Nippom (Post 874224)

Multiple floggings? You wouldn't. Hounto ka?

I would. I would not be satisfied with screams of just one. To violate such a beautiful design with such unloving assembly... :angryblob:

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Originally Posted by Nippom (Post 874224)

AmericanMadeHeroes.com ... Honoring America's manufacturers keeping America strong!

Dude. This is a propaganda page. Also, the study only shows that when you manufacture abroad instead of home, jobs increase in the manufacturing country and decrease at home, and the savings from cheap labour are smaller than the increased unemployment benefits and loss of revenue. In my country this is called a "null research", because it shows what everyone knows already.

You must realize already that as long as the profits from this type of behaviour are privatized to the companies who do it, but damages (loss of revenue, jobs) are socialized to everyone, this will continue forever. The two easy fixes to it are communism and national socialism, neither which I'd suggest to anyone who still remembers what happened 70 years ago.

I don't know..I play an SOE game and they aren't the fastest on the ball there somedays.

Sure, made in Japan is good quality but if something does go wrong its hard to get hold of parts to fix it myself.