Do what your conscience and what your soul wishes.Even if it won't make any difference at all.

what do u mean "it wont make a diffrence." i think that even though we are small as individuals we r big when we come together

But that would work only if many people acted.But since they are too busy with individualism and materialism the very few ones that are willing to act can't make the difference unfortunatelly.U_U.

Don't go even to WC with your car, tell your parents you rather take the bus, small things make change. Also, buy a Hybrid Lexus if you have the money..

oookay I could go on all day

Darn, Thunda, you started out so good, then shot yourself in the foot.

Excuse me, but no one needs to buy a Lexus - hybrid or otherwise. Their hybrid may be conserving more gas than it used to, but think of what goes into the rest of the vehicle. A Lexus is not basic or necessary transportation, it ostentatious, materialism ..... comfortable I admit.

like i said earlier >.>'''
there are a LOT of things that we can do to contribute to the environment~
buuut x]
there are a few problems~
first off, most all eco friendly alternatives are bit more expensive (thus, unwilling buyers; w/ the willing and capable buyers a VERY VERY small minority)
second, most all eco friendly alternatives are scarcely practical (no one's going to go out of their way for anyone else, much less the environment. and again, environmentalist = very VERY small minority)
third, environmentalist, and even people in general that give even half a rats @$$ about the environment are a VERY small minority...not to mention how many hypocrites are included into that minority as well >.>'

if just one person in every hundred thousand were to do something right (environmentally)...
well...we wouldn't be making very much progress x]

maybe if the ratio were something of 1 in every 2-4
then, i can believe that that small number is making a diff~



andddd our environment iS changing =.=
whether it's a phase or not...
but some clams don't grow as big as they used too
due to the warmer weather ._.

which means =.='''
smaller sashimi portions ;_;

lol

some info: I was kidding

=.=
i thought you were serious.....
lolz

Finally! There are some sane people in the world. Global warming isn't real. Yes, the climate here is changing.. well guess what? Mars is getting hotter now too... you think it's all the cars and hairspray cans that the aliens use?? sheesh..

First of all... you sound like you've been reading into research carried out by Corporate sponsored thinktanks of which I know is out there. However I'm not going to debate the science behind it as I know very little about it.

All I'll say is that I'm going to trust research endorsed and carried out via the UN over any of these thinktanks.

Oh by the way... You contradict yourself. You say global warming isn't real and then in the next sentence claim that the climate is changing. Though I suspect you meant to argue that humans don't play a significant role in climate change. The degree to which humans play a part however is irrelevant to me. The more important challenge is how to adapt to face these problems. Because if you're right and the human impact is minimal then there is no way to avert them.

The research is done by NASA... Mars and earth are simultaniously warming up, which suggests that the global warming of our planet is natural, which would also fit in to geological theories about Ices Ages, earth's cycles etc
and I think it is safe to say, he was talking about the human contributions... there was no need to be so pedantic.:)

For those of you that havn't made up your minds and are open to new information. I recommend you guys watch The Great Global Warming Swindle... Extreme Global warming believers will say that this is merely a consipiracy theory video, but in fact, it has a lot of interesting information, some of which I learnt at Uni, instead of the "Humans caused it, so humans should fix it", which I've been getting since I was 11 from Geography class...
Personally, I don't know what to believe, but I highly doubt that Humans are the biggest contributers to global warming...

Well I haven't seen that "conspiracy video" but I wouldn't call it that anyway because any inconvenient truths are given that label.

Anyhoo, I opened up my browser today and it directs me to my homepage, which is Yahoo. It's normally filled with a lot of Tabloid style information.
On that page I found this article.

'Space' kangaroo shines light on global warming - Yahoo! News UK

Now obviously putting that article on a page would suggest that thousands, if not millions of people are potentially going to read it. They will most likely also trust this article as being a truth.
I personally don't know how they can prove Global Warming is occuring from such a trivial experiment. The theories the experiment is based on, also seem very simplistic to me. However I have two points.
First one is, how appropriate is it for them to carry out such experiments and conclude that Global Warming is the issue that they are stating and secondly, if they can pull the wool over your eyes with this, then they can most certainly do it with anything else, through "science". (as they have been.)

Yeah, I agree, almost anything that goes against the mainstream view is considered to be a conspiracy theory... That's why I kinda said that...

The biggest problems I have with all this Global warming thing is how exaggerated it sounds and the hypocracy that is involved when trying to restrain the progress of developing countries...

why don't we just give all our technology to the developing countries
and live all natural x]
(if they can do it, then so can we............not really >.>' )

lol. because we'd produce too much CO2 transporting all our techonology :mtongue:

We'll ship everything except our kitchen sinks >.>

Well there was no need to be pedantic. But the guy's post was annoyingly simple so I felt like being pedantic :mtongue:

As for me? I don't really care whether humans are the cause or not, though I'll add that it is almost certain that we are contributors to a degree. Either way it's happening. Either way the environment and human consumption needs to be managed.

I don't think you can deny that humans have caused some climate change or whatever. All the technological advances and their side effects must have some reprecussions at the very least.
It's just a big question as to what the real story behind it all is. I doubt you'll get the whole truth if you Google it or watch a BBC documentary.
Hypocrisy is definitely going to be a large factor in any "scientific" discovery which effects the world as a whole, whether it be true or not. The "developed" countries of the world can seem to want to avoid a global problem because of their own previous mistakes. Whether you believe that it fits in with their agenda of keep "developing countries" in a state of "development", is what you must decide on your own.

Humanity's impact is rather minimal. The whole logic behind global warming is the greenhouse effect. However natural emissions (namely volcanic, or forest firers) vastly outweigh anything humans have done. Is that to say we've had no effect? No, not at all. That's saying any effect we've caused isn't as horrible as Gore wants the masses to believe. I'm talking about global climate, not the environment as a whole.

Lol, 1996 was the hottest year, since then the average temperature has been declining.

I guess it's not a huge coincidence then that there is no study on it.

i think that u all make a verry big point. all of u have kept me openminded but
i just get so confused and it make me sad :pinkcry:

i may still be a "kid" but im still learning about things like global warming and gay rights. u no the inpotant stuff. im 16 and im afraid it became in adult kuz i dont know what i would do. the government wants us to vote and take action but THEY dont even do anything to help. its not right to do that to the teens of this generation :whiteflag:

so ya that what i have to say

I feel like 20....

Global Warming or not? food for thought
 

Only recently since early part of 20th century has the human population taken advantage of scientific advancements that transformed agriculture from simple farming into what it does today. Population of the earth in 2008' roughly 6,679,493,900 (United States Census International Programs Center)without the developement of artificial cheap nitrogen fertilizers developed in 1913' see Fritz Haber Nobel laureate Chemistry without this discovery the maximum growth of the worlds population would be roughly little more than half this number.
Since the last climatic changes identified as glacial periods recently identified as peaking as recently as 12,500 yrs ago and technically speaking - still occuring as we speak today in 08'.
Please note these glacial periods are ice sheets that are called names like Fraser, Pinedale, Wisconsin (in North America), Devensian (in the British Isles), Midlandian (in Ireland), Würm (in the Alps), Weichsel (or Vistula, in northern Central Europe), Valdai in Eastern Europe and Zyryanka in Siberia, Llanquihue in Chile and Otira in New Zealand.
Note the size and locations of these ice sheets and appreciate the size and fact that a great majority are or were located astride the 'breadbasket' of the planet. Even minor disruptions in weather with todays technology let alone market driven forces ( alternative fuels based on corn, soy, methene
biodiesel - have disrupted food prices and raised havoc especially in 3rd world nations such as Haiti, Sudan, Afghanistan, Mexico , Asia ). Note price increase
of the simple 'baguette' in France has been raised 3 times in less than as many weeks. Agriculture does not do well in markets driven by speculation
because poor people when hungry can topple governments- and topple economic markets far in advance of any 'Global Warming'.

Did I hear baugette?

You're posts always seem to be long and pointless... :rolleyes:

have to admit that i'm absolutely lost as to the point of his post >.>'''

i fell lost as well
and NOODLE u make a point they are way 2 long and have no real revelence to the converesations that are going on all in they are bad

???I'm totally lost to the point of this all ???

This is a debate about Global Warming.


What I have to say on this matter is that a lot of people don't seem to know that the Greenhouse Effect is no new thing. It's actually been here for a very long time, is in fact the reason we are here at all because it keeps the Earth warm.

And someone here said that 2002 through 2005 were the hottest years in two centuries...That just shows us that our global warming isn't actually very horrible , seeing as it was even warmer 200 years ago before man started to add to the Greenhouse effect.

I should probably do more for the environment. I waste tons of electricity. I NEVER turn my computer off, literally. I should invest in an alarm clock, a lot less electricity than my computer uses to wake me up.

I'm not going to directly participate in this debate, because honestly, I'm not as "informed" as I probably should be. However, I believe that whether Global Warming is true or not, shouldn't change the fact that we, as human beings, should be enviromentally conscious -- to a degree.
It wouldn't hurt to invest some sort of responsibility for our wastes.

Although, to some level, I think GW is a bit of an exaggeration; somewhat a load of crap -- which, of course, is debateable -- I also have no problem with working to keep our society clean.

As long as "the cause" doesn't interfere with politics, religious values or prohibit the use of important basic life necessities, I'm fine with it.

Just my little addition to the discussion.

the hidden cost of going 'green' cost a lot of green
 

The cost of the US 'biodiesel industrys' most used oil- soyoil has a price that has rocketed past 'crude oil'.(NPRMay08') In the US alone over 165 biodiesel plants have been built to date (Sept 07'), The US averages 1 new plant being constructed a month. The cost alone to the US taxpayer is over 5 billion dollars a year in subsidies. Not even factoring in the use of coal and massive amounts of subsidized public water is required for these plants? The question you might want to ask yourself -(example) It takes about 7 pounds of soybean oil -- which is priced by the pound -- to make one gallon of biodiesel (Texas Biodisel Coalition) Yes developement of more advanced technology will improve production but feedstock generally runs as high as 80% of the cost of production wether soybean or corn , rice. As of April 10,2008' a 1/4 of the US Biodiesel Industry plants are idle due to cost of the soy makes it unprofitable despite the fact that the bulk of the US biodiesel is exported to the EU (European market) .

wow i didnt know that

You like posting random stuff off the internet dontcha >.<

we should have biodiesel weed plants ; if we were all high we could hardly damage our environment

ya its fun really fun lol

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(NPR08') is National Public Radio . Texas BioDiesel Coalition- Is a trade Industry Group for BioDiesel Industry of state of Texas US. ( Texas has the majority of BioDiesel plants in US.) sources other than the internet are as valid as the web unless you are internet centered?

what does that mean:confused: im not up on whats goin on in texas. we have a BioDiesel club t our school & they made a truck that runs on alternate fuels

Lol, atleast it's relevant to the topic. :p

biodiesel lonestar state
 

congrats on your school biodiesel club. Texas as far as biodiesel has enjoyed
being first and foremost location of majority of biodiesel plants constructed in US due to being President Bushs home state.
i did not vote for Bush.
hav a nice day.