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wantitnow 06-29-2008 12:43 AM

Japanese fingerprinting at customs
 
A bit of advise needed.... I am a Canadian citizen with a criminal record ( theft under 5K 8 years ago ) . I'm headed to Japan next month and need to know if I should declare this on the entry form ? I know that the question is asked, but am thinking just writing no would be the best thing to do.

Here's the kicker, I was stopped about 5 months ago crossing to the usa and denied entry, sent back to Canada. While in the us immigration, they fingerprinted me and took photos of me. Kind of a overkill if you ask me... Nonetheless, I am concerned that the Japanese new fingerprint system may be interlinked with the us fingerprint system and they will be able to tell about my record from this once at Japanese customs ? Does anyone know about this or have had a similar experience ? My main question is that are these systems combined somehow to share information ?

Nyororin 06-29-2008 01:05 AM

As far as I know - unless you are currently wanted for arrest, then there shouldn`t be a problem at all. I don`t even think it`s necessary to declare it, unless immigration procedures have changed VERy much in the past year or so.
I`ve had relatives visit me here who unfortunately had some pretty serious criminal records, and it was never even asked of them.

I think the US is doing a bit of overkill. Cases like yours have been in the news these days - I`ve heard they`ve even refused entry to the US for more mundane things that don`t even involve past arrests.

MMM 06-29-2008 02:10 AM

I have never been asked about my criminal record leaving or entering Japan or US.

wantitnow 06-29-2008 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 524615)
I have never been asked about my criminal record leaving or entering Japan or US.


Apparently it's on the entry form now as of 2007

MMM 06-29-2008 02:21 AM

Not on any forms I filled out 3 months ago...

StangGuy 06-29-2008 04:00 AM

If I remember correctly the series of Yes/No questions on the back of the form above where you sign and declare how much money you have with you are a couple questions about your criminal record. I'll look at it closer when I fly to Japan on Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 524592)
I think the US is doing a bit of overkill. Cases like yours have been in the news these days - I`ve heard they`ve even refused entry to the US for more mundane things that don`t even involve past arrests.

This is most likely due to reciprocity. Canada has had that kind of standard for many years, even denying entry if you had commited a misdemeanor.

wantitnow 06-29-2008 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 524623)
Not on any forms I filled out 3 months ago...

Awesome, others have told me elsewhere it was on the entry form. Can I ask what country you are originally from? And if what your status is in Japan the last time you travelled ? I'm just coming for a 3 week visit, so I suppose it will be just a tourist visa ?

MMM 06-29-2008 04:15 AM

Let me say that I don't remember it being on any forms...I certainly wasn't asked as I came through...but I did find this:


"New immigration procedures for Japan

Japan National Tourist Organization (Press Release)
Monday, October 22, 2007
Japan will introduce new immigration procedures which require foreign nationals entering Japan to be photographed and electronically fingerprinted from November 20, 2007.

The new procedures – similar to those which have already been introduced in the United States – are part of a law amending parts of the Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition Act which was promulgated on May 24, 2006. The revised law contains new provisions for the establishment of a framework for preventative measures against acts of terrorism. As part of this framework, a new anti-terrorism measure is to be implemented, which requires the submission of personal identification information at immigration control.

Under the new immigration procedures, when foreign nationals are applying for landing, fingerprints and photograph will be taken, after which an immigration control officer shall ask a few questions regarding the visitor’s stay in Japan.

In the event that any foreign national, who is required by the new law to be fingerprinted and photographed, refuses to submit to these new provisions, that person will not be permitted to enter Japan, and will be required to leave the country.

All foreign nationals entering Japan will be subject to the new provisions, with the exception of the following:
(1) Special permanent residents
(2) Persons under 16 years of age
(3) Those persons performing activities which fall under the status of residence for ‘Diplomat’ or ‘Official’
(4) Those persons who have been invited by the head of any national administrative organisation
(5) Those persons who are prescribed by the Ministry of Justice ordinance as equivalent to either (3) or (4).

Foreign nationals arriving in Japan will be required to follow the following procedures.
1. A person wishing to enter Japan must submit his/her passport to the immigration control officer.
2. Once the immigration control officer has explained the procedures that are to be followed, the person wishing to enter Japan will be asked to place the index fingers of both hands on a digital fingerprint reader. The fingerprint information will be read and stored electromagnetically.
3. A photograph will then be taken, using the camera located at the top of the digital fingerprint reader.
4. The immigration control officer will then conduct a short interview.
5. On completion of the above procedures, the person wishing to enter Japan will receive their passport from the immigration control officer."


I was on a tourist visa and flew through Canada to get to Japan.

wantitnow 06-29-2008 04:56 AM

Did you go through the above procedure as well?

MMM 06-29-2008 05:27 AM

The whole procedure lasted maybe 15 to 20 seconds, and I didn't anyone before me take any longer.

Omania 06-29-2008 07:05 AM

Yes it's on the forms. I've seen it. I wouldn't know how to advice you.. but i just got back from Japan last weekend and when I landed they did all sorts of check ups on me and my husband although we were already cleared back in my country!

MMM 06-29-2008 07:24 AM

Sounds like there is no universal experience... sorry, man.

wantitnow 06-29-2008 07:31 AM

So what is everyones advise to me then ? If I write no and they find out, then what kind of trouble am I in ? Can I play dumb with this ?

If I write yes, then they will automatically turn me away ? If I am denied entry, can I appeal it or speak with someone higher up and explain my situation ?

I just bought 5K worth of tickets to go and would hate to have my wife stranded there alone and me back here......

wantitnow 06-29-2008 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Omania (Post 524684)
Yes it's on the forms. I've seen it. I wouldn't know how to advice you.. but i just got back from Japan last weekend and when I landed they did all sorts of check ups on me and my husband although we were already cleared back in my country!


What country was checking up on you and for what ???

Henbaka 06-30-2008 06:24 AM

Dude, I'm just gonna suggest this;

Why don't you call the japanese embassy and ask about this? Surely they know more than us. You have a record (old as it may be), but you're not currently wanted or something...

odonata 06-30-2008 08:03 AM

I would advise to check the NO box mate. you will only be putting yourself up for allot of trouble if you check the YES box.
Unless you are wanted by Interpol or any major agency then check NO.

If you have minor criminal records then don't bother as they will not be on any of the internetworks the governments use and then they will have to contact your home land to find out what the criminal records say. This may take a long time and you will still be permitted entry.

If your records say you are a murderer, child abuser, gangster ect then you may be refused entry. Most minor crimes will be ignored.

JUST SAY NO.

wantitnow 07-05-2008 09:36 AM

Well I came and no problems whatsoever, here for a few days already and having a blast!!! Thanks for the help people, appreciate it.

MMM 07-05-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wantitnow (Post 528514)
Well I came and no problems whatsoever, here for a few days already and having a blast!!! Thanks for the help people, appreciate it.

Did you check yes or no?

Have a great time!


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