War?
 

Is talking about WWII a good idea?
As this is what i'm interested in.
eg. Pearl Harbour, Midway Iwojima etc.:confused: :confused:

It is not necessarily a bad idea, but I wouldn't call it a good one. I can discuss WWII with some of my older friends/students, but for me since I am from the US have to be ready to discuss things like atomic weapons, Iraq and things like threatening Japan to open up to trade or go to war.

People from my generation, including myself, and around that age generally think war is retarded and not a very entertaining topic to discuss. In fact it is rather depressing.

I find war a facinating topic because it's like a way of life. The Romans used war to gain land and now we use war to bring peace. I'd talk about war with someone...

War good thinks becouse is very similiar with Love :rheart:
But I think second world war is good think to our world becouse we can't do it third time...
For me second war killed my grand father and grand mother but that is past then we must go forward
Heh :cool:

Discussing war can be a very sensitive subject, depending on the people you're talking to:
How patriotic they are
How much their families were involved or changed by the effects of war i.e. if it's left a metaphorical stale taste in their mouths at the mention of a country that's responsible for a friend or a family member's casualty or death.
And possibly how much their country has or had been changed by war.

I think it's best to steer away from war topics to put it bluntly.

Talking about War can be really interesting, but depressing too... if u talk to elderly people, you hear bad things, and often that they´re hating some countries, for some reasons which are in someway understandable! But u must see, the most countrys who were fightning each other in WWII are now allis, but the question here is, would they also be allies, if they hadn´t fight each other? :confused:

You'd be wrong.

Most older Japanese remember how Douglas MacArthur helped rebuild their country and set it on a course that led them todays success. Those older Japanese are the ones that built statues of him.

I've discussed the war with several elderly Japanese. Some were even WWII vets. None of them seem to bear a grudge. It is no different from most American veterans. I remember one fella that was my Sunday School teacher. He was on the Battaan death march. He was actually a pen pal with several Japanese vets.

IMO discussing the war is fine. Just don't do anything that acts as if you are throwing it in their face. In other words, as with anything Japanese, BE POLITE.

Oh, BTW "Letters from Iwo Jima" was hugely popular in Japan. IMO it is a good starting point for any discussion.

I don't think they hate America at all. After WWII they fought together against comunism, and since then both countries have always been pretty much alike, economicaly speaking.

I think it'd be aight as long as you don't mention the Guadalcanal battle (not Iwo Jima and Okinawa either), that would pissed them off for sure.

Instead you could talk about the Korean War and how they were done within 3 years. :D

um......why is it that when anyone says WW2 everyone thinks Japan-U.S. conflict???.....
yay!!..........War topic.......

Not really. The first thing that comes to my mind is "fucking nazis, gotta kill them all" xDD

Anyway it is a Japanese forum and the person who made the thread wanted to know what war conversation was like with the Japanese, and that is why we all come to think about Japan vs USA. :cool:

(I'm all into war films). ^^

really???....
my favs...
1. Empire of the Sun
2. Bridge too Far
3. September Tapes!!!!!....

Hi
 

this is past and we have forgot past for our better life in future

I wanna see September Tapes so bad!

Check out that link:

http://forums.ccrtvi.com/viewtopic.p...er=asc&start=0

That is the list of all the war movies I have seen (English titles are in brackets).

I remember reading about a political person talking about ww2 and how japan needs to talk about it...he got shot. Survived though.

yeah
one problem though--->why would we use war to bring peace? it's like why would u want to kill to show killing is wrong |a.k.a. death penalty|

i see the point of WWI and WWII |we weren't even supposed to b invoved in WWII since we were still in recovery| but the current war has been going on for wht 6 yrs now? killings may show how bad war is, but to another extent the killings bring out our killer instinct--->revenge, which leads to more fighting. Ideas of sending more troops are even rising

wht part of it do u not get

ok well think for a moment..u said tht the killings show how bad war so we have less of them-----> well we are all human beings with feelings, thus leading to our feelings of revenge toward the death of our nation's citizens |relatives and friends| if we want revenge, then it'll make us want to fight back a.k.a. more wars or longer wars

it's not like it's tht easy to forgive the opposing side and realize tht war is bad and stop right there.

a lot of ppl want revenge, but they don't do actual things about it
maybe ur not getting it...im not saying tht revenge makes us want to straight-out kill each other, im saying tht the more killings, the more angry feelings, the more angry feelings, the higher the chances of proposing a war/fight

if u say all of tht about ppl tht want revenge, then ur tlking worldwide, b/c i bet there is not one person who in their whole entire life who can say tht they never wanted revenge for something |tht includes not doing something and actually doing something|

You don't seem to realize what kind of country you're living in. The United States have always wanted to control it all, they need to show everyone how powerful their army is and how they can do whatever they set out to do.

They got involved in WWII cause they had made an agreement which forced them to protect the UK, and so when Germany started to bomb London and Manchester (I'm not sure which were the other cities) and the RAF wasn't enough to stop it, the United States sent some support.

Then the neverending battle between comunists and capitalists began and it went on.

This whole war made sense at that time cause WWI hadn't fully been finished and it was obvious it wouldn't end up this way.

Leaving that apart, I don't understand why there're still so many american troopes in Irak, those men don't deserve to die for something that doesn't even exist. You gotta do something to get that prick you got for president out of the White House.

kh khm... Pearl Harbor ...khm... something's stuck in my throat... khm...

That's my wedding ring! :eek:


xDDDDD


(what about Pearl Harbor? *cough*again too many movies*cough*) ^_^

wht he means is tht the whole bombing in london and manchester wasn't the whole cause--->it was the bombing of Pearl Harbor |the United States' biggest naval base| Japan bombed it b/c since it was near where the war was taking place, they wanted to get rid of the possible threats |PEARL HARBOR!!!| when they bombed Pearl Harbor, we joined the war

Exactly, as Jap's saw Yankees as their potential threat, which needs to be eliminated, as the 1st ones tried to invade territory of several British external territories and were getting afraid that US will play the role of cavalry and they decided that attack is the best defence at that point, so on dec the 7th 1941, they launched an attack at the Pearl Harbor where most of the US Pacific fleet was located and, as we all know, they did a devastating blow with the attack, thus involuntary involving US in the WWII

I've often had this image of a couple of Japanese admirals on the deck of an aircraft carrier making the final decision to attack Pearl Harbor by janken.

Janken is the standard method for making decisions too close to call one way or the other. Janken if you don't know is paper, rock, scissors, also know as reaux sham beaux.

Saisho gu, janken, po! Aiko desho! Aiko desho! Ja, yatta!!! Katto!!

I hate wars!!
PEACE!!

khe khm... T-34... khm... agian... khe khem... sorry....

Yeah I know it was after Pearl Harbor when the United States were oficially in war, but in 1940 (that's one year before) they had already given support to England (at the beginning of the Battle of the Atlantic), which the Axis took as a thread.

Norway did nothing but make things worse when they were unable to stop the Germans from taking over their land. That's the reason why good old Chamberlain resigned and was replaced by Churchill.

And the Canadians? What did they do? O.O

I think the Americans did a good job, it was them who stopped the Japanese from conquering all of the Pacific and also they were the ones who set France free (Normandy; see Saving Private Ryan for more info xD).

I like the M4 Sherman better than the T-34. :o

The actually was not a a-bomb at all... it was the "dirty nuclear bomb" which is not as devastating as the one US dropped on Hirosima and Nagasaki by far... And yes, according to the evidence collected from the SS archives, they did commence a test of this bomb... killing around 300 prisioners (loaded in one building) in Thuringia concentration camp... even a regular aircraft carried bomb would do a damage similar to this...
But i must agree with you on one thing- the sabotage of Norsk Hydro's plant in 1943 by the British commando along with Norvegian militia did delay the reserach of "Hitler's bomb", though, even if they would have not succeeded, the research was taking too long and they would have never created a serious weapon by the end of the war imo....
Actually, the only reason why Germany failed in WWII was the fact that they broke one of the main laws of war waging- they opened the second front and disposed any chances of winning the war... The Russians were the ones who they feared and the Russian son of a bit**es were the ones who stopped the invasion of eastern Europe, forcing Nazi forces to draw back a lot of their forces to eastern front, thus making it easier for the Allies to take back western Europe...
Just for the note, I ain't russian, but this is how I see the historical picture of WWII after reading tons of books regarding it...

Battle of Stalingrad ^^

Germany went to shit cause all they could do was that blitzkrieg strategy which faild them while fighting in Russia. Besides, an autarky would have never worked.

I think that right from the star it was clear who'd win. When did I become such a patriot...?

They didn't put up any resistence, and that made them think it'd be easy to invade the entire Europe, and Holland and Belgium (it only took like a couple days to conquer them) didn't help much either, and that's how they got to Paris and blah blah blah all of a sudden it was too late to react.

Anyway, it is true that they did fine with the supposed-to-be-A-bomb issue, but as Excessum said, theirs wasn't as devastating so it probably wouldn't have changed a thing (unless they had dediced to use it).

I think it was kind of funny that they made it soo far into France.........but I am glad for the bulge!!!!!!!!!

I see that you did not sleep through your history classes... very very very good! :)
(though the city, the great battle was waged around, was Leningrad, just for the record) ;)

I would argue with this statement, as although Blitzkrieg was the (only) key to their success, the completely new war waging strategies they used were the doors... with using all types of forces combined to achieve success, they started a new page in the great book of war which these days is used by all of the armies of the world...

Negative, it was clear only after the battle for Leningrad, you mentioned before... it was the turning point of WWII (not the D-Day or anything, as the Yankees love to believe)... and actually, as trivial it may not sound, in the WWII there was no real victor, there were only the losers, and biggest of them, of course, was Germany...

geeze >.> i admire ur intelligence haha :vsign:
u would've been good in my debate courses i took last year

Do I get some candy? xD

I had a great teacher, truth be said.


The main problem was that they thought they were bigger than what they actually were. Does the Desert War ring a bell? General Rommel wasn't abel to deal with two things at the same time: fighting the English troopes and desperatly trying to find an oil well, all of this while being chased by General Montgomery. No wonder why the German army was beaten that time, but then again their Blitzkrieg (can't help thinking of the Ramones everytime I type this word) attack did work with Greece.

Well yeah, but since day 1 the Germans were almost like fighting alone. It was Hitler's fight. Italy wasn't as strong, and Japan was by their side cause they were afraid the USSR would grow bigger. They weren’t well coordinated and there was no love among them. xD

Khm... it were not the Germans who attacked Greece... If you concentrate, you'll remember how your teacher told you that those were the Italian forces and, I must admit, that the theater of Africa did not interest me that much at the time i was reading all those WWII books, so i you can consider this being my weak spot :) And btw, the word "blitzkrieg" makes me remember a song as well... this song, actually: click
But, the whole main Devil damned point of the Blitzkrieg was the fact that Nazi's could not maintain a long-time warfare... so it is normal that they they were putting all their hopes in-to Africa and the middle-east... but, they forgot (or they did not knew) the old saying about putting all of your eggs in-to one basket... Too much Bavarian beer, i guess :D

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Wrong.

Italy tried hard but they failed in their attempt to invade Greece, so the Germans -that already had Belgrade- started planning the invasion of Greece, whose army surrounded on April 21st (my bf's b-day, easy date to remember).

It won't let me hear the song, is it that one? --> Blitzkrieg - Yngwie Malmsteen - GoEar.com

More than likely.

Ok, just to make sure, I looked up this fact in the internet:
1) Italian forces invaded Albania
2) They moved on to Greece
3) No Germans invovled

But Germans did invade Crete...

Nope... strange that rapidshare's ain't working, try the next link: blitzkrieg.mp3

But they could not stay there for long. I've also checked. :D

I win. :cool:

I'm sorry I can't hear that one either ò_Ó
It says I've gotta download some stuff...

The point i was holding on was that Italians did invade the greece, but id did not say that they succeeded in it, did i? think of me as a sore looser or whatever, but the Italians were the 1st ones to cross the borders of Greece, but they were pushed out... so, technically, they invaded 1st... Germans took over later on...

lol, you are not supposed to hear it, you are supposed to download the mp3 and then play it :D