mercedesjin, so in the end this is about you identity crisis?

I've been discriminated against in history
This sounds ridicouls, we are living in 2009 here, not 1920. I doubt that you are almost a houndred years old.

You just go sniffing out every single little hint that you can splash the words racist over, to downplay others and make you feel better about yourself.

Unless you want to make racism turn in to a silly and radical concept, i suggest you chill out a little with your accusations. Our perception of beauty did not evolve from the idea of "hey, lets exclude those black people from our society"
It eveolved from the idea of finding the partner that could best carry our child. Status (from here the pale idea came from) and body shape (which has been and indicator of health, example: a curved body has a greater chance of a successful carriage. Fact by the way, and so on)

Let society evolve in a ntural way, and don't try to indoctrinate your rather radical ideas in to society, why not? See: north korea.

If you feel left out because you are denied certain goods in our society because of how you look, then be sure to stand up against it. However, there should be a clear line here. Acceptance and respect has to be earned, it is not something that you are rigthfully entitled to, non of us are. And a job that require you to look a specific way to get (modeling jobs in particular) comfort yourself with that 99% of the earth's population can get that job.

Believe it or not, non caucasians does actually stand stronger in society by law. If two job seeking individuals -- a black and a white guy -- has the same qualifications, you are to pick the black man.

I know this 73 year old man (he thinks he's 20) who has been a nudist and has been tanning for many years. Every year at this time, he lays out in the desert sun (100+ degrees- too hot!) and goes from white to almost black. Of course this comes at a price, his skin is like leather.
Japanese (especially the women) know the sun ages you quickly and is bad for you. This is why many look younger than they are. Not because they want to be white.

It's funny that you cut off "in this lifetime." Racism still exists here in 2009. I'm sure you know that. Respect is entitled to every human being. It's called human rights. Society is evolving naturally. It's natural that oppressed people rebel and fight for their rights.

To say that white skin is better than black skin in anyway is racist. Period. I don't feel like I need to say that anymore.

Pretend for a moment that you're white in a world where you're not surrounded by people of your own race, and that you're constantly reminded of the color of your skin. Pretend for a moment that someone walks up to you and says, "My skin color is better than your skin color." Don't pretend for one moment that you wouldn't feel alienated and in pain, and don't pretend that you would be able to ignore that pain and move on.

It's not my identity crisis. It's called racism, and it plagues the world. Billions of people go through it everyday. It's not something to "chill out" about.

Questions for everyone, because I actually want to know what people will say:

Why is my skin not good enough to be a partner? Does the color of my skin indicate to you in some way that I'm less of a person, and so will have a child of less value? Does the color of my skin suggest that my uterus doesn't work, and that I won't be able to carry a child? Why is white skin a better option for a partner? Does white skin somehow mean that the person is smarter, and so the child will be smarter? Is it just that no one really wants to have a child that will have to suffer in this racist world?

And to continue with the questions: why is brown skin ugly? Is it because it reminds you of monkeys, or dirt, or something else unattractive? Is it because that's what your parents told you? Is it because on TV, you only see white women and men like Paris Hilton and Brad Pitt? Is brown skin ugly because, even now in 2009, it somehow suggests to you that people have been slaving away all day out in sun, and so must be of a less status than you? Is brown skin ugly because it means that the person must be a criminal? Does brown skin scare you because people of brown color are actually called "black," and black suggests something dark and evil, whereas "white" has always represented purity, innocence, and good? Or is it just because you're racist?

I'm curious. Please, anyone - explain why you prefer a white skinned partner.

Mercedesjin, I respectfully observe that you have turned a thread whose purpose is clearly stated in the thread title into a platform to push your views and opinions on everyone else. This is generally called "thread derailing", and is not useful for normal discussion. Furthermore, you seem to think any opposing views (that is, people who do not completely agree with every aspect of your opinions) as the worst kind of attack imaginable, borne out of malice and self-superiority.

This is not the case, and it will help you in the future to not so quickly adopt the "wounded, misunderstood and downtrodden" role.

And yet there are so many others who have "derailed" this thread. If it was really so unhelpful for the discussion, why have people commented? Why am I the only person you've directed that comment to?

I'm sorry if you feel like I'm being malicious and self-superior. I think it's possible to ignore someone on this forum. I'm new here, I don't know how, but I'm sure you do. I suggest you ignore me if I really bother you that much.

These two paragraphs, more than anything else, have shown me quite clearly you have great difficulty determining the object of comments. Or more accurately, believe all of them directed at you with the worst possible intention and overwhelming negativity.

Having said that, yes, some of my comments are directed at you. Many others have "derailed" this thread, but to my eyes they are in response to your original derailing and the subsequent problems explained above. It is quite easy to take a certain view and believe all different views exist only to attack yours. This is most often not the case. It is "discussion", not "accusation", the very nature of forum purpose.

As to why the comments were directed at you: again, from my skimming of the thread in the past few days, your comments are the most numerous and inflammatory. As such, they are more noticeable and provide the most material on which to comment.

Your second paragraph is an illustration of the above mentioned internal focus. The "malicious, self-superior" tone I alluded to concerns your apparent reaction to other people's comments on your opinions. I do not believe I need to restate fully that said comments are not attacking your positions, but discussing them with the additional points of view.

I shall leave the mechanics of forum member ignoring as an exercise for knowledge, and bid you good day.

The moment you said respect is a human rigth, is the moment you revelead the real issue here. It is you who is the issue here, you have a superiority complex, or so it seems from your post.

And to answer your question.



I pick the later image. Beatuy does in fact go beyond race most of the time. Oh and if you don't pick the upper one, you are a racist, rigth?

All right, so the comment that I've derailed this thread was directed at me, and you've acknowledged that many others have done the same thing. Now, why direct it at me? Is it because you disagree with me? Doesn't that mean that you are actually responding negatively to what I've said, and are attacking me because you disagree with me? Aren't you further derailing the thread by responding in such a way, and isn't everyone further derailing the thread by disagreeing with me? After all, I'm only one person - I made one comment. Then many people responded, apparently expecting replies.

Why do you think I've accused anyone here on this thread? I've pointed out the fact that thinking white skin is better than black skin is racist. People got upset and defensive. I haven't said to anyone, as far as I remember, "YOU ARE RACIST." I, on the other hand, have been called racist. Why aren't you accusing that person of being accusatory? I have also said numerous times that I don't like that this has become a back-and-forth and an argument, that I don't like the insults and negativity, and that I want this to be a mature discussion without people making specific rude comments to me, such as the one that you made.

I merely suggested you ignore me - for your benefit, in fact. Either way, thank you for being mature enough to realize that making that comment and responding to me negatively wouldn't take us anywhere but down. :ywave:

Racism will always exists until we all mix to being one gray color (it's in progress already). Then they will find some other reason for hating. In my world all I judge people by is if you are a @$$hole or not. Nothing else matters to me.
As for choosing a partner, I had a black girlfriend before. She was beautiful, a model (beautiful inside as well). She broke up with me because her parents didn't like her dating a white guy. This is racism against me, but am I blaming the world about how unfair it is? No. Explain to me why many black women prefer to date white guys? I was told by several black women that it's because black men get what they want and leave the women, sometimes with a baby. They think white guys don't do this. Is this racism? Of course it is.
My choice for my wife was a Japanese lady. I was married to an American before and didn't like how I was treated. I feel that my second wife has the qualities I have been searching for all my life. She is very loving kind, smart, and independent with the right amount of submissiveness to let me feel like a man (no I don't abuse this, but it helps my ego a little. She gets her way most of the time). She knows that is just how I am, but it goes a long way when we need to cooperate. She knows how to push my buttons to get me to see her way. I'm not saying that there aren't other women in this world from other cultures or races that I might find these qualities, but I just happened to find it in her. Her race, skin color didn't matter.
My suggestion is to get over this chip you have on your shoulder. Life is too short to be a victim. You make your own future in spite of racist haters.:vsign:

LMAO that's a really funny reply. (Ugh, I have the feeling you're going to think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not. It's hilars.)

No, I think the woman on top is ugly as fuck because she looks like a zombie. I have no idea where you found that picture, but it's really funny that you did. XD

Okay, anyway. Seriously? I agree with you. Beauty does go beyond race. I personally feel really attracted to a person's smile, far beyond the color of a person's skin. Now, I wish that everyone felt that way, but not everyone does. There are some people who look at skin color first and foremost. There are people who think that the person below is ugly because she has brown skin. Those people are racist. That's all I'm saying.

I'm sorry about your ex-girlfriend's family. :/ There's definitely a lot of racism against white people, and it's almost as if people are too afraid to stick up for their rights because then people will go around shouting "KKK!" (Even the idea of immediately calling a white person a member of the KKK is racist.)

What's funny is that I never really cared about racism, because I grew up on an island where I was surrounded by black people. I never had to think about being black. Then I left the island, and suddenly WHAM! I was being treated differently and seen differently than others just because of my skin color. People have told me, to my face, that I'm not beautiful because I'm black.

I'm a passionate person, and I'm young. People always tell me that when I'm in my 50s, I'll calm down and not give a shit about racism. (I hope not.) But for now, I'm 20 and I'm not willing to give up because of any kind of animosity. I want to get fair representation of women of color into the media. When I feel uncomfortable with something someone has said, I will tell them.

I do think of myself as a victim, but I also think of myself as a person who is willing to fight. I personally don't think that's a bad thing. That's just the way I live.

Good luck to you and your wife, you seem to really love her. =)

OK first off, I'm not sure where in this thread personally attacked people another race for being an inadequate partner. And I will answer for myself when I say that no your skin tone does not make you any less of a human or mother. And to me personally it does not matter what skin tone you have to be my partner. But i still stand other statements made here, that just because you are not physically attracted to someone, this does not make you racist. And I fear that you are playing the victim here and in this world. Many people suffer racism, however you make it seem that you are the only one to have ever experienced racism, like its you against the world. And I know many people like that, from multiple races who will analyze everything to the death in order to pull out something "racist" and throw it back into the other persons face. And this to me is a problem, yes racism exists today. But it is not as one sided as it used to be. Like you said it is 2009, racism I feel, is felt by many people and many races. And I do not feel like it is as prevalent as it used to be. I have felt racism, and I have seen racism. Do I like it? no, not at all. But I do not feel the need to go looking around for it and calling out every hint of it I see. I thought the idea was to create unity by forgetting skin tone, race, culture. Or at least this is what I would prefer. But the thing I always notice with people in your mindset, that instead of blurring the line, you make it more noticeable and in your face. And in my opinion making it worse, because in the end you seem more racist (whether you are or not). By always calling out differences between you and the person you are conversing with. And to some of your other stuff. Like TV portraying white as the only good thing. Are you insane. It actually took me a second to think about this because I never really thought about it as a white or black competition, but I have to say that its ridiculous. There are just as many (in my opinion) wealthy successful African American actors and stars as there are white stars. And to think that there are not is to be ignorant.

And I'm not sure what your getting at about the fair skin being a sign of good and tan or darker skin a sign of bad. I'm pretty sure st. Thomas is the same as here, most people I know want to get tan. I don't know many people who want to stay pale ( I am one who wishes to get little sun). Why are tanning salons so popular if everyone is trying so hard to stay pale? I don't know how you can use this as an argument here in the US at least. I have never once heard someone compare tanning to becoming more African American or vice versa for people wanting to stay pale.


Sorry for this rant, I jumped around a lot mostly because I kept thinking of different things to say. And I do not intend to offend anyone, sorry if I did.

And lastly St. Thomas is an awesome place.

Guys, all of you relax..

If you have a Japanese friend, ask him or her the question, and paste the repsonse.

Some people like white skin, some people are naturally white, some olive, some darker, other's couldn't care either way, etc.

It all comes down to preference..

Personally, I like a bit of a tan.

Sorry, that came from the last page where a comment was made:

"Our perception of beauty did not evolve from the idea of "hey, lets exclude those black people from our society"
It eveolved from the idea of finding the partner that could best carry our child.Status (from here the pale idea came from) and body shape (which has been and indicator of health, example: a curved body has a greater chance of a successful carriage. Fact by the way, and so on)"

It's fine to rant. Those are your opinions. I've been saying my opinions all along, it would be dumb of me to say "You're not allowed to rant!" However, I think you're crossing the line juuuuust a little bit when you say, "Are you insane? I think you're ignorant." I don't think you're ignorant because your opinions differ from mine. I just want to suggest that you figure out where my opinions come from before saying I'm ignorant, because you don't really know where I'm coming from, you know?

A lot of people think that racism is only signs saying "NO COLOREDS ALLOWED." It's also internalized racism. To think that a race, any race, isn't attractive is racism. Let me for a second talk about my friend, who is a person of color. She isn't attracted to white men at all. She thinks white men are ugly. When I asked her why, she said that white men are rude and don't know how to have sex. She assumed negative qualities about another race. That's racism - internalized racism, because it's an internal factor that's been shaped by the way she was raised. It's a subconscious thing. She's not going around to white men calling them crackers, but the way she thinks shows she suffers from internalized racism. I also suffer from internalized racism - everyone does. I'm challenging myself and others to think about these things.

And that's why I asked all of those questions. I wanted to know if there are any assumed negative qualities that go along with brown skin for anyone who thinks brown skin is unattractive. I think it's a little interesting that no one has really answered those questions.

I'm sorry if you think that I'm trying to play the victim. I am a victim of racism, I've experienced it many times. But on this thread, I'm not trying to say, "O WOE IS ME, ME AGAINST THE EVIL WORLD!"

I agree with you when it comes to making race noticeable by arguing about racism. It's a catch 22. I don't want to bring up race because I want to think of everyone as a human being first. However, when racism comes up, I don't let it go. I will say something. I just want to challenge people and challenge racism. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Believe me, outside of racism, I don't go running around to people and scream in their faces, "I'M BLACK!"

The fact is that there aren't nearly as many black actors/actresses in Hollywood movies. The media is a huge factor in the way people think. If you're constantly told that this woman is glamorous and beautiful, then you will most likely subconsciously look at her, pick her factors apart, and decide that there are different things that make her beautiful: she has blonde hair, she has blue eyes, she is rich, she is white. A sidenote: on the People's Magazine top 25 hottest celebrities, only three people with dark skin are on that list. That's not very equal, is it?

As for white and black, I was talking about the use of vocabulary. When you look at a white person's skin, they're not actually white. White is a sheet of paper. Most white people have darker skin tones. Black people aren't actually black. Most black people have lighter skin tones.

Yet society has chosen those words - words that already have associations. Black is usually associated with evil. "Black magic," for example. White is associated with purity and innocence. Wedding dresses are usually white for that reason. The vocabulary alone implies racism. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not insane. A lot of people are learning about the same things, writing essays and books on the same thing. It's not mainstream because it makes people feel uncomfortable.

What point of your did I just prove?

I have no bad feelings or annoyances. You are talking about your race, and that's fine, but what I am saying is this thread is NOT about your race.

You never needed to say it because it is not what this thread is about.

I am happy to address this questions from you after you start addressing the counter points I have raised.

MMM... are you stalking me?

Seriously, I thought we were done with whatever conversation we were having - I don't even remember what we were talking about before. If it's really that important to you, I'll check it out later.

You proved that you don't understand the feelings of alienation because you're not a person of color. If you did, you might be a little more sensitive.

Oh, and Barone: Yes. St. Thomas is awesome. =)

We all are prejudiced against something. It just takes a smart person to realize that this is a stupid way to think and look further into that person. The world is made up of many different races and cultures. What a boring place it would be if not. Black people gave us many things like music for example. How can anyone diminish this contribution? Yes, slavery was a bad thing. But think about there would be no Blues or Rock and Roll if ancestors of these slaves never came here to America. And Mercedesjin, for you, what if they never took slaves to the Caribbean? Not only would there be no Reggae or Calypso, there wouldn't be a you.
I'm sure you think you need to fight to change people's minds about racism, but truth is that racists minds are already closed and no amount of fighting or talking will change their minds. Try to change their minds through positive example. Most people on this forum are open minded already since they love Japanese culture, so I doubt you will find a lot of racism here.
You sound like a beautiful lady and I understand what you are saying. Just go show the world how beautiful you are and change the minds of those who are willing to change by the example you set. To Hell with the rest of them.:ywave:

Ok sorry, I wasn't trying to personally attacking you and calling YOU insane.

Now just let me ask this simple question. I don't mean to derail this whole topic into another section. This is just something that I think is relevant to this topic but I don't want to start a whole other topic about gender. But as we were talking about attractiveness and racism. And how not physically being attracted to someone is racism. Now let me ask this, is it then sexism if your not attracted to a certain sex. Just because everyone is not Bi-sexual, does this mean they are all sexist. I feel that these have the same basic principles.

again, I wish not to start a topic on gender (there is already one going at the moment) I just feel this specific question ties to this thread.

Stalking you? No. It is interesting that if I respond to something you say I am accused of stalking. It seems like this is how you, again, get away from responding to anything I say with a substantive answer. I am waiting for you to respond to my counter points to your arguments.

You don't remember what we were talking about before? Do you remember getting so upset you couldn't continue reading my posts?

But it is becoming clear to me that the conversation we were having was never a conversation because obviously no communication was taking place. You spoke. I responded. You spoke. I responded. But you have yet to respond to anything I had to say with any substance, just accusations.

How have I proven I don't understand the feeling of being alienated? I lived three years in a city of over 100,000 people and knew only two other people of my race who lived there. But maybe you are right. I actually didn't feel alienated there because that only would have slowed me down. I felt very much a part of my neighborhood and work community, even if not everyone around me felt the same way.

I WAS JOKING. It was my way of trying to get you to relax. I am REALLY tired of fighting on this thread. I just want you to relax, I want me to relax, I just want to talk without all of these accusations of accusing and fighting and insults. So. It was a joke. Okay? You get it? It's funny.

Maybe it's because it's the Internet, it's hard to get a joking tone across. I'll make sure to say I'm joking next time.

Anyway. Like I said, I'll check it out later. When I'm ready. Because yes, I remember feeling upset. I still feel upset. I don't want to feel upset anymore. Reading your post will most likely make me feel upset, so I don't want to right now. Don't worry, I'll read it eventually.

Your time of alienation sounds interesting. You should talk about it more often.

Good post.
We all feel alienated once in awhile. But that is because we allow ourselves to be.
I lived in a very poor part of Brazil with a friend who grew up there and his family still lived there. At first, I felt strange being a American who never saw poverty like this and earning more than 4 times what these people were earning. Once I figured out I was the one doing this to myself, I went out and made a bunch of friends. We learned alot from each other and at this point my life was great. I no longer cared about anything but my new friends, not what I had or what they didn't. People are people and there always be good and bad. Go find the good ones no matter were you are.

This forum cracks me up. Where else will you see a thread like this next to one like "Which anime character would you most like to date?":p

Sorry, I didn't get it as a joke. That's the Internet. Sarcasm doesn't come through.

I don't really talk about my time of alienation because I never really felt alienated. That was the difference between me and the woman I wrote about earlier who "lost it" in Japan and her mother had to come pick her up and take her home after a few months. She felt completely alienated and isolated. The funny thing is, she had more native-English speaking friends than I did. Her community didn't alienate her, as mine didn't alienate me. She alienated herself, and paid the ultimate price.

I don't want you to read something if it going to make you upset. I would rather we get back on the topic, actually.

Thanks, bELyVIS. I made a core group of friends when I lived in Japan who still visit at the same old watering hole every year.

Believe me, I am. I have wonderful friends of all races and backgrounds. I love them all very much.

I'm also looking out for the bad ones, though, because I want to make a change. I personally don't think it's all right to watch any type of oppression and not say or do anything about it, because I've learned from many experiences that silently hurting about it doesn't help me or anyone else. I mentioned before that some white friends of mine have expressed pain and discomfort being alienated. If they hadn't told me, they would've silently been in pain. What good does that do?

I do think it's beautiful to find the inner peace that both you and MMM have described, but that's not for me. I prefer to fight.

All right, I agree!

The woman I knew felt she had no one to talk to, and in the end she broke from reality, so you are right. It does no good.

I don't know that I have found inner peace, and I am not saying your friends didn't experience true alienation, but I did meet a lot of people in Japan that were in the same situation that I was and saw things I couldn't see (Japanese people getting better service than non-Japanese at restaurants, for example). They called it racism, I called it paranoia.

Example after example was shown to me, and most of the time, I couldn't see it. ("See, he has 10 meatballs in his spaghetti, and I only have 9!" "We ordered before that table, but they got their food first!")

It is interesting talking about this here, as I had (and still have) dozens of Japanese friends in Japan, and I can't think of a single conversation I have had with them about race. Sure, we talk about Japan and America and Japanese people and American people, but never about white people (or black people) as a race. In a mono-racial society, it just isn't something that is a constant issue. It's like we don't compare our sun to other suns, because there are no other suns to compare it to. We got our sun, and that's it. It's such a back-burner concept in Japan compared to places where many races are living together.

This is why the idea that if a Japanese woman uses a parasol to protect her skin means she wants "to be white" is so preposterous to me. Skin tone for Japanese in Japan has never been about race... Caucasian or African... as that is so far off the radar in the Japanese mind.

Ok I missed this post earlier, I will address it now. As I have said before I don't find it automatically racist if someone is not attracted to a certain skin tone. I will agree however that there are times when it can be attributed to racism, such as the story about your friend and her not liking white guys. Yes I can see that as racism, although I wouldn't take offense to it. There is a difference in my eyes between disliking a person for the color of their skin, and not being attracted to them. Everyone has the things they are attracted to, even if they cant put them onto a piece of paper. If you dislike a certain skin color because you then stereotype this person because of the color of their skin, this is racist. However, I think it is different if you are just not attracted to them. You may still be best of friends with someone who has a tone of skin that you may find less attractive. I'm just saying you may be attracted to certain things in a person, whether it be hair, facial features, ect.

Which brings me to this point. You stated earlier that you are more attracted to someones smile more than their skin. Which is fine, but you do indicate that you prefer some smiles over others. So you too have a defined set of characteristics you find attractive. If you don't have as nice of a smile as other people, you aren't attracted to them.
Now you say that you would pick the bottom pic because the top one is ugly. Now to me, someone as yourself who preaches being tolerant, you take a very intolerant stance. You have even said before it should matter the color of your skin (it shouldn't) it should matter whats inside. Shouldn't you not see attractiveness then. Shouldn't personality be the only thing that matters to you. Because obviously you don't prefer physical traits more than others... right?

and ill partially quote you on this, not to be a jerk. And I'm not trying to be sarcastic. But I will play devils advocate for a second, and this is tied to that picture of the white lady and the black lady, and then you response to the pic:

Why is her looks not good enough to be a partner? Does the completion of her skin indicate to you in some way that she less of a person, and so will have a child of less value? Does the look of her face suggest that her uterus doesn't work, and that she won't be able to carry a child? Why is attractiveness a better option for a partner? Does attractiveness somehow mean that the person is smarter, and so the child will be smarter? Is it just that no one really wants to have a child that will have to suffer in this biased world?

And finally I am interested in hearing your opinion on one of my earlier comments, the one about being sexist? Just when you have time of course, I just didn't want you to miss it. Thanks.

Very nicely put. And I can vouch for the fact that the Japanese friends I have, we have never really talked about race how we are currently in this thread. They do see other countries and cultures i.e. America, and Japan. But never black and white.

Good post MMM

I think one reason why many Japanese say they would like pale skin is because they see on the media Japanese people with pale skin (for example in anime, most characters will have very pale skin...not a diss I love anime btw) and so it can pressure them into thinking that pale skin is what they should have. This sort of pressure occurs all the time and all over the world in media, advertising and celeb culture. For example many of my friends who are interested the those sorts of things are, at the moment trying to get a tan. I have asked them why and they reply "I dunno, everyone else is getting one".....ox

i lived with my sister-in-law for about a year now, and she never desired to have "white" skin. i believe japanese girls are a little obsessive when it comes to clear skin though. when she sees another female with incredibly clear or nice skin she would comment to me about it all the time, my girlfriend is the same way.

Sorry; "in the orient".

Yes, it is "non-exisdtant".

Ronin4Hire = pro gymnast.

Agree to disagree? I'm pointing out a fact; the maoris and aboriginies have more "privalleges" in their respective countries than white people do.

Yes, but no one here actually agrees with that perspective; we're just talking about it. So you don't need to defend yourself from us, just relax and have a discussion.

I often resort to violence.

That is only too much sun. The sun is a rich source of energy; it is healthy to have some, and that will darken you just a tad.

This is no excuse for pulling out an umberella just to walk 20m from a shopping center to your car.

My wife is Thai, but her skin is black enough to be referred to as "negro". So honestly, I don't know why you're askin us this.

Yes, it's ironic! Hitler was right afterall...

Many of the Japanese men and women doing that, will not have a shortage of vitamin D. That is because they eat relatively large amounts of fish. Altough, a bit of sunlight will not hurt the skin.

Race is non-existant scientifically speaking.

As a social construct it exists

Why it is so hard you to comprehend such a position.

Furthermore.. Maori and Aborigines don't have more privileges than white people. It's not a fact it's bullshit. I'm telling you right now but because I don't want to further the issue here that's all I'm prepared to say on the issue.

Now please shut the ***k up and let the thread continue.

But the bolded part is not what you originally said. You said that it was not racist to not be attracted to black people.

I get the feeling that mercedesjin's defensiveness comes from others lack of ability to communicate in English properly.

I like medium-sized bewbs... does that mean I'm a racist to all other girls who have different sizes. Oh noes.

You fail

Race is an identifier and something which trancends physical appearance. It has social implications.

Furthermore to be racist is to be exclusionary rather than to have a preference in this instance.

But I will say that if you discriminate according to breast size... it might not make you a racist... but it makes you extremely shallow.

If you said you liked medium sized breast on white women only, then you would be a shallow racist!:mtongue:

Well done Einsten!

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