Do you think overweight girls or thinner girls...

[hadron]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

This one doesn't look ridiculous to me. Quite the opposite.

in these parts, the lady would be classified as "emo" (the emotional one) , and that is thanks to the amount of black colour on her dress and the obviously depressive look hihi, emo are also usually rough, rebelling, implying, and straight

while lolita i think, is closed up, shy, unsure, pretty soft and tender

also, i think that size could matter in expressing lolita nature, as raised body mass index may influence human behaviour (i would rather not go into details) but after all i am sure it is possible to perfectly express yourself as lolita in overweight condition, however the chances are diminishing simply because overweight person would prefer expressing themselves as brisk and temperament characters :P which i think lolita is not

no i don't think overweight ppl should stop wearing lolita, they should wear what makes them happy and makes them feel comfortable, or expressing their nature, even if it is lolita

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by Columbine

*giggling* Oh my...it looks like she just cannibalized a smurf. Sorry Jason, she really does look laugh-out-loud ridiculous, but if it's any consolation, that has nothing to do with her weight.

Well, I will have to kindly ask you to define "ridiculous".

[robhol]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

Well, I will have to kindly ask you to define "ridiculous".

Adjective
ridiculous (comparative more ridiculous, superlative most ridiculous)
Deserving of ridicule; foolish; absurd.
"Adam's hair is ridiculous."

And I, for the record, concur. Sorry, it doesn't look very nice IMHO. Among other things, the makeup looks like it was applied with an intercontinental missile.

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

Well, I will have to kindly ask you to define "ridiculous".

Something so absurd that it makes another laugh just by being what it is. I really am sorry if this gets to you on a personal level, but there's just something about the combination of nudibranch mating a Paris Hilton wig, shiny bin-bag dress, dead fish stare and dead smurf lipstick that makes me have to bite my tongue to stop me laughing. It's a terrible outfit, but that's no comment on the girl, her personality, weight or appearance in other circumstances.

[MissMisa]

Originally Posted by Columbine

Something so absurd that it makes another laugh just by being what it is. I really am sorry if this gets to you on a personal level, but there's just something about the combination of nudibranch mating a Paris Hilton wig, shiny bin-bag dress, dead fish stare and dead smurf lipstick that makes me have to bite my tongue to stop me laughing. It's a terrible outfit, but that's no comment on the girl, her personality, weight or appearance in other circumstances.

Actually, trying to imagine it without the horrible outfit, she might be quite attractive. Shame, really.

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Actually, trying to imagine it without the horrible outfit, she might be quite attractive. Shame, really.

That's what I was thinking. Under all that pasty makeup is some quite nice bone structure.

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by Columbine

Something so absurd that it makes another laugh just by being what it is. I really am sorry if this gets to you on a personal level, but there's just something about the combination of nudibranch mating a Paris Hilton wig, shiny bin-bag dress, dead fish stare and dead smurf lipstick that makes me have to bite my tongue to stop me laughing. It's a terrible outfit, but that's no comment on the girl, her personality, weight or appearance in other circumstances.

You know, if you were born on a planet where everyone was so "stylish" like her, you would probably be using "smurf lipstick" by now.

But since you have been born on this planet, in your country, with a different sense of fashion, you wouldn't.

Using such a harsh word to categorize that girls sense of fashion... It's just repulsing.

You could just have said that that girls sense of fashion is not to your liking. You have no right to call someone ridiculous.

Don't you know that it's that kind of attitude that prevents people from actually showing who they are?

Probably even you want to go out in a "sailor moon" dress but you are too afraid of society's reaction.

To be honest, I don't actually find that girls sense of fashion to my liking, but I don't have the right to call her ridiculous. I wanted to see peoples opinions, so I said otherwise.

[MissMisa]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

You know, if you were born on a planet where everyone was so "stylish" like her, you would probably be using "smurf lipstick" by now.

But since you have been born on this planet, in your country, with a different sense of fashion, you wouldn't.

Using such a harsh word to categorize that girls sense of fashion... It's just repulsing.

You could just have said that that girls sense of fashion is not to your liking. You have no right to call someone ridiculous.

Don't you know that it's that kind of attitude that prevents people from actually showing who they are?

Probably even you want to go out in a "sailor moon" dress but you are too afraid of society's reaction.

To be honest, I don't actually find that girls sense of fashion to my liking, but I don't have the right to call her ridiculous. I wanted to see peoples opinions, so I said otherwise.

I think people are allowed to say other people's fashion senses are ridiculous. As long as you aren't hurting anyone you can say what you like about someone elses fashion, it's probably best keeping your opinion to yourself if the person is physically in front of you because it's rude.

I dress in Lolita, Cosplay and so on regularly, but the way the girl has put together the outfit wouldn't flatter anyone. My fashion sense isn't typical either, and I've had far worse than someone saying my outfit is ridiculous. If that's as far as it went I'd be pretty happy with that

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I think people are allowed to say other people's fashion senses are ridiculous. As long as you aren't hurting anyone you can say what you like about someone elses fashion, it's probably best keeping your opinion to yourself if the person is physically in front of you because it's rude.

I dress in Lolita, Cosplay and so on regularly, but the way the girl has put together the outfit wouldn't flatter anyone. My fashion sense isn't typical either, and I've had far worse than someone saying my outfit is ridiculous. If that's as far as it went I'd be pretty happy with that

Wait, what?

You say that people are allowed to say other people's fashion senses are ridiculous, yet "as long as you aren't hurting anyone"?

Won't you just hurt them by saying that?

Saying that she wouldn't flatter anyone in that outfit is generalizing to much. We are 6 billions - can you vouch for all of them?

Well, probably not everyone can take it like you. There are very sensitive people who have the right to dress whatever they like without hearing "HEY YOU FREAK" or anything of the sort.

deteriorating someone is repulsing.

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

You know, if you were born on a planet where everyone was so "stylish" like her, you would probably be using "smurf lipstick" by now.

But since you have been born on this planet, in your country, with a different sense of fashion, you wouldn't.

Using such a harsh word to categorize that girls sense of fashion... It's just repulsing.

You could just have said that that girls sense of fashion is not to your liking. You have no right to call someone ridiculous.

Don't you know that it's that kind of attitude that prevents people from actually showing who they are?

Probably even you want to go out in a "sailor moon" dress but you are too afraid of society's reaction.

To be honest, I don't actually find that girls sense of fashion to my liking, but I don't have the right to call her ridiculous. I wanted to see peoples opinions, so I said otherwise.

Pause please. Hypothetical worlds where this is considered the norm are all very well but they are exactly that; a myth. Sorry. Fact. This is the real world and I'd like to keep this discussion grounded in it. As it happens, blue lipstick is currently 'in vogue' at the moment in the UK. I have seen it done exactly once in a way that actually seemed flattering. Just because it's 'in fashion', doesn't automatically make something a judicious choice. Harem pants a prime example. In fashion last summer and now booed off stage by the fashion industry.

Point the second; I'm saying the ~outfit~ is ridiculous. Not the girl. Not even that particular style of fashion. That one outfit. So please stop generalizing me as the global oppressor of self-expression. I'm perfectly willing to say she might have outfits on a similar theme that work. This one doesn't. It makes her look silly. You can say that's just my opinion, and it is, but I'm certainly not alone in it. And I think there is certainly a point where something stops being opinion and starts being true. The habit doth not make the monk, but it sure disguises him as one.

Thirdly, seeing as you're bringing 'rights' into it, I think you'll find I'm perfectly in my right to say she looks ridiculous if I think so. Saying I have no right to express an opinion other than one you deem to be best is just as offensive as my expressing a negative opinion. She's within her rights to dress how she pleases and say it is beautiful. But she has no right to demand that I agree with her. And neither do you.

Besides, I never said I was the sort to go up to someone and say what I think of what they're wearing. Unless I really like it. As Misa said, it's just not nice. But that's not how things are in this case. YOU pinned this girl up as an example of 'not ridiculous' and invited opinion. I'm not out to shame anyone into changing their way of dress but I'm not going to be anything other than honest if you ask my opinion. Particularly not when the subject is a mere ~picture~ of someone I don't know, will never meet and who will presumably never hear my comments. Get a grip and stop making such a mountain out of a molehill. I'm starting to think this is a picture of your sister or something.

Which brings me onto my last point. You seem to assume that I dress 100% normal 100% of the time and therefore I am intolerant to this style of dress or else jealous because I don't have the guts to wear something that bucks the norm of society. How can you POSSIBLY comment? You have never seen me nor the contents of my wardrobe and I'm not about to disclose that sort of information on the internet. Just how biased and offensive is that assumption anyway? Because I dislike it, I must be just another repressed sheep with no idea about self-expression and thus my opinion isn't valid?