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lucagalbu 10-01-2008 03:57 PM

Base 2 + Tai verbs
 
Hi there!
I have a problem with base 2 + tai verbs.
If I have to say I want to go I say:
1) ikitai (plain form)
2) ikitai desu (honorific form)
is this right?

And another question.. how do i get the negative form? I've read somewhere that I say:
ikitakunai
but somewhere else I've read that I have to say:
ikitaku wa nai
What form is the right one?

And about the past form, is this right?
1)ikitai deshita (positive gentle form)
2)ikitaku wa arimasen (negative gentle form)
3)ikitakatta (negative plain form)
4) positive plain form????

enyafriend 10-01-2008 04:33 PM

Corrections below (In bold).

I have a problem with base 2 + tai verbs.
If I have to say I want to go I say:
1) ikitai (plain form)
(2) ikitai desu (honorific form)>>>polite speech
is this right?

And another question.. how do i get the negative form? I've read somewhere that I say:
ikitakunai >>>>this is the correct negative form
but somewhere else I've read that I have to say:
ikitaku wa nai >>>>NOT a ~tai negative form
What form is the right one?

And about the past form, is this right?
1)ikitai deshita (positive gentle form)
2)ikitaku wa arimasen (negative gentle form)>>>>NOT a ~tai negative form
3)ikitakatta (negative plain form) >>>>past tense plain
4) positive plain form????

See below:
(plain) ikitai/ikitakunai
(polite) ikitai desu/ikitakunai desu

(negative plain) ikitakatta/ikitakunakatta
(negative polite) ikitakatta desu/ikitakunakatta desu

lucagalbu 10-02-2008 03:17 PM

So how do you translate "I didn't want to go" in the plain form?

enyafriend 10-02-2008 03:46 PM

I don't want to go. (Ikitakunai)

I didn't want to go. (Ikitakunakatta)

lucagalbu 10-02-2008 04:31 PM

and how do you say "I didn't want to go" in gentle form?

chryuop 10-02-2008 05:31 PM

Is たい a special class of I adjectives? I learnt that to make negative of I adjectives either form くないーくはない and くありませんーくはりません are correct.

Nyororin 10-02-2008 10:26 PM

Yes, the form used with ikitaku wa nai is not incorrect.
It just carries quite a different nuance from simply saying ikitakunai. In other words, you can`t always substitute one for the other.

MMM 10-02-2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chryuop (Post 599919)
Is たい a special class of I adjectives? I learnt that to make negative of I adjectives either form くないーくはない and くありませんーくはりません are correct.

Yes, in a way. It is conjugated exactly like an い-adjective.

The red highlights are not correct.

Nyororin 10-02-2008 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 600122)
Yes, in a way. It is conjugated exactly like an い-adjective.

The red highlights are not correct.

行きたくはない and 行きたくはありません are things that can and are said. I`ve never heard anyone say 行きたくありません, though it is technically correct.

今日の運動会行きたくはないんですけど、行くしかない ・・・ 親ってつらいものですよぉ

blimp 10-02-2008 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 600177)
行きたくはない and 行きたくはありません are things that can and are said. I`ve never heard anyone say 行きたくありません, though it is technically correct.

今日の運動会行きたくはないんですけど、行くしかない ・・・ 親ってつらいものですよぉ

それは親の義務なんです、行きたくなくても。
/says someone without both children and an undokai to go to. have fun by the way.


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