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marisoru 11-03-2008 06:12 PM

Hiragana or Katakana
 
what type of writing is use in japan actualy now on days
i want to lear the more actual way of writig
so what is it hiragana or hatakana

0Kurisu0 11-03-2008 06:23 PM

Both. And Kanji too, where's kanji? XDDDD
But there are people here who can explain why better than me : D

kenmei 11-03-2008 06:58 PM

Japanese uses a mix of kanji and kana (hiragana and katakana)

as far as usage goes, any, if not all, can be used in a sentance. so there is no "just learn ____ and you'll be OK because it's the only thing used".

to generalize:

kanji and hiragana are the most common form of writing in sentances
katakana represent foreign words, sounds or emphasis on specific words
kanji usually denote names of things, titles, (nouns), adjectives and verbs


don't get me wrong, there is no rule as to how many kanji/hiragana/katakana are required in a sentance.


this may help a bit: Japanese language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MMM 11-04-2008 12:25 AM

In general, start by learning hiragana, then katakana, then the lifelong journey into kanji begins.

Payne222 11-04-2008 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 620961)
In general, start by learning hiragana, then katakana, then the lifelong journey into kanji begins.

And by saying "the lifelong journey"...
MMM's not kidding.
Kanji literally could take a lifetime to technically learn them all.

XDD

CarleyGee 11-04-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 620961)
In general, start by learning hiragana, then katakana, then the lifelong journey into kanji begins.

That's how I would suggest to go about it as well.
Most people I've heard from said that was a better
way to learn, but of course, all people learn differently.

MMM 11-04-2008 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CarleyGee (Post 620965)
That's how I would suggest to go about it as well.
Most people I've heard from said that was a better
way to learn, but of course, all people learn differently.

That's how children in Japan learn, and there's no logical reason I can think of to do it any other way.

kenmei 11-04-2008 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 620973)
That's how children in Japan learn, and there's no logical reason I can think of to do it any other way.

they learn about 200 new kanji a year, i learned the other day

pretty interesting

MissMisa 11-04-2008 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 620973)
That's how children in Japan learn, and there's no logical reason I can think of to do it any other way.

I agree. I wrote my first sentence in Hiragana the other day, was so pleased with myself! Now onto Katakana~ Not bad for few weeks in my opinion ~

MMM 11-04-2008 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 621126)
I agree. I wrote my first sentence in Hiragana the other day, was so pleased with myself! Now onto Katakana~ Not bad for few weeks in my opinion ~

Good for you~! It takes time, but you will get it all down. Give yourself a more time for katakana because a lot of the characters look similar.

MissMisa 11-04-2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 621130)
Good for you~! It takes time, but you will get it all down. Give yourself a more time for katakana because a lot of the characters look similar.

Thanks ~ Yeah, they really do! I have a really good sheet that my teacher gave me though, and it has some really good ways to remember them. I think I'll scan it in because it'll help a lot of people learning I'm sure.

SHAD0W 11-04-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 621126)
I agree. I wrote my first sentence in Hiragana the other day, was so pleased with myself! Now onto Katakana~ Not bad for few weeks in my opinion ~

Told ya didnt i? once you convert to kana it all just fits together!

chryuop 11-04-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kenmei (Post 620981)
they learn about 200 new kanji a year, i learned the other day

pretty interesting

Kanji taught in Japanese school from 1st to 6th grade
I am not sure how reliable it is this, but actually this is also the order I use to study my kanji and when I say study I mean learn all their readings and meanings. Well the meanings for which they are mostly known since many of them have too many to study like that, you need to meet them in phrases.

So far I am at 100 kanji studied, most of the first grade and some from the second and third (trying to get most of the verbs first). That doesn't mean I know only those 100, but I know those 100 in all readings and meanings.
I tell you that it is a hard job and I admire a kid in Japan who learns 200ish kanji a year (it took me like 3 months to learn those).
However you have to consider two things when you mention how much a Japanese kid learn in one scholar year: first, his brain is empty and it is less harder to fill it with new kanji. He doesn't have another language that takes up part of his brain and thus he doesn't have to try to translate every single bit of information he receives. Second, a Japanese kid lives in a Japanese full immersion situation in which he already has the basic of Japanese, thus he already knows the word whose kanji is about to learn and how to use those words.

kenmei 11-04-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chryuop (Post 621276)
Kanji taught in Japanese school from 1st to 6th grade
I am not sure how reliable it is this, but actually this is also the order I use to study my kanji and when I say study I mean learn all their readings and meanings. Well the meanings for which they are mostly known since many of them have too many to study like that, you need to meet them in phrases.

So far I am at 100 kanji studied, most of the first grade and some from the second and third (trying to get most of the verbs first). That doesn't mean I know only those 100, but I know those 100 in all readings and meanings.
I tell you that it is a hard job and I admire a kid in Japan who learns 200ish kanji a year (it took me like 3 months to learn those).
However you have to consider two things when you mention how much a Japanese kid learn in one scholar year: first, his brain is empty and it is less harder to fill it with new kanji. He doesn't have another language that takes up part of his brain and thus he doesn't have to try to translate every single bit of information he receives. Second, a Japanese kid lives in a Japanese full immersion situation in which he already has the basic of Japanese, thus he already knows the word whose kanji is about to learn and how to use those words.

yep exactly

you're at a "disadvantage" from the beginning. so nothing will help you more than hardwork and dedication :D :D

there's a guy who has a proven theory (worked on himself) about learning japanese thru immersion ( All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. ) it's very interesting, but also very dedicated. Of course he was in Japan when he did this too. If anything it's an interesting read. XD

CarleyGee 11-04-2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 620973)
That's how children in Japan learn, and there's no logical reason I can think of to do it any other way.

Very true, though
I was agreeing in the first place. :rolleyes:

Trouble 11-05-2008 02:12 AM

Kanji and Hiragana are most commonly used.
Katakana is used for onomonapeic words like bow-wow or cock-a-doodle-doo. It's also used for foreign and tailored words, such as aisukurimu (ice cream), and names; japanese or not. Although Kanji is also used for Japanese names...

marisoru 11-05-2008 04:24 PM

what is your problem

SakanaMidori 11-15-2008 08:21 PM

Yeah, I had to teach myself.
It was by luck that I chose to start with hiragana(I just thought it looked cool and old fashioned), and I just rewrote it again and again, and eventually I memorized it. I had decided to just screw Kanji, I mean, there's furigana(that's what it's called, right? The stuff above Kanji) right? Wrong! But I procrastinated, and learned katakana. I like it a lot, it looks so...high-tech! And people don't believe that I can write in Japanese until I use A) Kanji or B) Katakana. So sad hiragana, my absolute favorite, isn't even recognized by ignorant American children. Anyhoo, now I'm currently learning kanji, and I regret not starting from the get-go. I love the way Kanji looks in a sentence.



Speaking of which, I have a fun anecdote to share!
Once upon a time, I doodled on my chemistry desk. It's black and in the black, so you can only see my pencil writing from that desk, maybe the next one over. And I wrote "baka" in hiragana, erased it, rewrote it in katakana, and doodled some more, and erased all but "baka" (I did the same thing at our rival HS by writing it on the board mwahaha!). A few days later, I was taking a test in chemistry..and wrote "baka na" on the desk. After I finished the test though, I noticed more pencil writing, and it said in Kanji "Nippon jin" then in hiragana "su ka?" Idk what happened to the "de", maybe it doesn't matter, I haven't studied enough. And so I SCREAMMED!!!!!!! in my head, and wrote back "Iie, demo nihongo o naraimasu." and I'm eagerly waiting a response! Yeah...it made ME happy!

CaptainThunder 11-15-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kenmei (Post 621277)
there's a guy who has a proven theory (worked on himself) about learning japanese thru immersion ( All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. ) it's very interesting, but also very dedicated. Of course he was in Japan when he did this too. If anything it's an interesting read. XD

Actually, the AJATT guy claims to have become fluent in Japanese before ever visiting Japan. That's the whole point of his method; immersion is the only way you'll ever really learn a language, and you can bring the immersion to yourself anytime, anywhere.

He also has some interesting methods for learning vocabulary and grammar that are worth looking at, especially since they apply to any language.

aiyumecool559 11-15-2008 09:49 PM

First, school teach hiragana. And Katakana. First year, book write many, many hiragana. Book middle teach simple kanji if story, like, 田、火、日、山、大。 And number. 一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十。


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