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KyleGoetz 04-30-2009 10:16 PM

Yeah, MMM, you're right. I haven't had to write the word for a while, and it's so darn hard to end a word orally with っど. I think in my mind I was thinking about how ベッド is the exception to the rule that Japanese words cannot generally end in っど. I might be willing to extend my linguistic description there to: "Japanese words cannot (or very rarely can) end in an glottal stop followed by a voiced consonant and a vowel."

How many words can we think of that end in っだ/っぢ/っづ/っで/っど/っが/っぎ/っぐ/っ げ/っご/っば/っび/っぶ/っべ/っぼ etc.?

I can only think of ベッド, but there has to be a few (albeit a very few) others.

Edit: I guess, technically, only p,t,k, and s can be doubled in native Japanese words anyway (in general?).

SHAD0W 04-30-2009 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 707778)
Japanese tends to romanize things that end in "d" or "t" sounds as ト. The word "bed" is written ベット, for example.

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 707649)
I have eaten.
食べます

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 707649)
I have a natural gift with languages.


KyleGoetz 04-30-2009 10:38 PM

I never once claimed, shad0w, that "I have eaten" is equivalent to たべます. You inferred that incorrectly. Yes, the ベッド error was an error.

The point of the たべます, if you had even a limited grasp of reading comprehension, is that the ます is an auxiliary verb in Japanese that demonstrates my point. "I have eaten" in Japanese (もう食べた or 食べたことがある, depending on intended meaning) does not use an auxiliary verb in the sense I discussed. Thus, I used an alternative example. "Haber" ("he" in first person, singular, present tense, indicative mood) is an auxiliary verb in Spanish. "Have" is the equivalent in English.

Now I'm aware I may get banned for this.* But it needs to be said (if for nothing other than my own sanity), and no one else seems to want to do it: You are a grade-A asshole. You consistently give wrong information to people who don't know better. You misrepresent your knowledge of the language severely. You seem to troll the boards looking for people's mistakes just so you can post facepalm pics. I've only seen people get warned by mods in this subforum because of angered responses to drivel you've spouted.

I have twice extended you an olive branch after we got into disagreements, and yet you still behave like a child. I have twice tried to make amends when you've behaved very rudely to someone and I've criticized you. You seem to hate civility. This makes you scum in my book.

And now I wash my hands of you.

*Although if I get banned for this, it will be unjust: I have only ever tried to be constructive on this entire board (except in a few responses to Shad0w). Shad0w, on the other hand, repeatedly attempt to tear people down out of something that seems to be self-doubt or a lack of confidence in his own abilities. This is, of course, pitiable (and childish). Mods, take note of the destructive influence Shad0w has here.

SHAD0W 04-30-2009 10:42 PM

Eh? I was helpful in this thread :)

MMM 04-30-2009 10:48 PM

Can you guys find something more constructive to argue about...like maybe the color of the sky?

alanX 04-30-2009 10:54 PM

LOL @ MMM!!!!!

But anyways, KyleGoetz, I used to hate shadow, but now I think he's a pretty nice dude. But constructive criticism is a must. And pointing out errors is constructive criticism. We all build off of it, no need to take it personally:vsign:

If you noticed someone had toilet paper on their shoe, would you tell them, or let them walk around with it?

Nathan 04-30-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 707802)
Yeah, MMM, you're right. I haven't had to write the word for a while, and it's so darn hard to end a word orally with っど. I think in my mind I was thinking about how ベッド is the exception to the rule that Japanese words cannot generally end in っど. I might be willing to extend my linguistic description there to: "Japanese words cannot (or very rarely can) end in an glottal stop followed by a voiced consonant and a vowel."

How many words can we think of that end in っだ/っぢ/っづ/っで/っど/っが/っぎ/っぐ/っ げ/っご/っば/っび/っぶ/っべ/っぼ etc.?

I can only think of ベッド, but there has to be a few (albeit a very few) others.

Edit: I guess, technically, only p,t,k, and s can be doubled in native Japanese words anyway (in general?).

Just a note here. I found it kind of funny during my stay in Osaka that they would pronounce 京都 as 'kyout' with no final vowel, and even トロント as 'Toront' despite my attempts to correct that. Yet if I said 'Scott' instead of スコット, they had no clue who I was talking about.

KyleGoetz 04-30-2009 11:29 PM

@MMM
I'd love to, but I get very, very angry and Shad0w's very rude behavior towoards everyone. Perhaps because I'm a very old netizen (nearly 20 years now), I would love for us to return to a more civilized age. I mean, you can't tell someone "your Japanese is pathetic" and then expect it all to be OK when you respond a few minutes later with "come on, I'm friendly." It's like saying "No disrespect, but your mom's an ugly broad."

I just can't fathom the tolerant attitude everyone has towards someone who repeatedly insults others with obviously malicious intent and feeds wrong information while clothing it in the language of an expert.

@AlanX, posting facepalm pictures is not constructive criticism. Just to point out, we're cool. I have no quarrel with you or anyone else on this board. If I've ever been rude or confrontational to you (I think I may have been at some point), I apologize for that. I don't like internet fights. They suck.

SHAD0W 04-30-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 707858)
you can't tell someone "your Japanese is pathetic" and then expect it all to be OK when you respond a few minutes later with "come on, I'm friendly." It's like saying "No disrespect, but your mom's an ugly broad."

I've never said such words? I think you're over reacting..
I've never given wrong information either, unless i thought i was right but made a mistake somewhere?

Have I ever been disrespectful toward you, MMM?

alanX 04-30-2009 11:35 PM

I have noticed how learning Japanese has almost come to a "competition" on this forum, if you will.

And yes, we are cool. I'm cool with everybody. :cool:


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