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SceptileMaster 01-09-2010 01:53 AM

Thanks I think I understand that table now. I've just unromanized it for my reference (damn romaji).

yuriyuri 01-09-2010 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 794210)
Except I have never heard anyone say いっきろ. I have only heard いちきろ.

Except I have heard people say いっきろ.

After searching Google it does seem that いちきろ is the more common way.
I say "more common way" because I have definitely heard いっきろ being used, even by Japanese friends.
Maybe いっきろ is just used in certain places?
I don't know, but either way いっきろ exists.

Edit:
A mail from my friend said:
さっき調べたら
いっきろは やっぱ方言で
いちきろってのが
全国共通なんだって:)

いっきろって
聞いたことない人もいるみたいだよー

Which explains why I have heard it, considering the friends I have in Japan all speak some kind of dialect.

MMM 01-09-2010 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriyuri (Post 794253)
Except I have heard people say いっきろ.

After searching Google it does seem that いちきろ is the more common way.
I say "more common way" because I have definitely heard いっきろ being used, even by Japanese friends.
Maybe いっきろ is just used in certain places?
I don't know, but either way いっきろ exists.

Edit:
A mail from my friend said:
さっき調べたら
いっきろは やっぱ方言で
いちきろってのが
全国共通なんだって:)

いっきろって
聞いたことない人もいるみたいだよー

Which explains why I have heard it, considering the friends I have in Japan all speak some kind of dialect.

This is what makes language learning fun.

yuriyuri 01-09-2010 09:41 AM

And that fun is what keeps me learning Japanese ;)

KyleGoetz 01-09-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794202)
Yes it tells me the rules but it doesn't tell which counters use each rule which is what I really need. Finding out the counters themselves isn't really the problem. For example, how would I know whether 一キロ would be read いっきろ or いちきろ without a resource?

Also thanks for the site masaegu.

Any counter that begins with an unvoiced stop would follow the pattern
いっ for 1
じゅっ for 10
ろっ for 6
はっ for 8

If the counter starts with an "h" follow the rule for 分

Else don't do anything special, e.g.  枚 いちまい、にまい、さんまい、など

一軒=いっけん
一点=いってん
一丁=いっちょう

These rules aren't rocket surgery. There are basically 2-3 patterns, and all counters follow these patterns. Hell, counters are more regular than English verbs. There are exceptions, but you learn them as you go, not by memorizing them all now.

Hell, I probably only know 10–20 counters, and very few of them get rotation in my daily speech. 軒点匹分角画頭本枚杯丁台次時日月年回羽冊組番曲体 are basically the only ones I know. I reverb to the good ol' Yamato counting otherwise: ひ、ふ、み、など.

SceptileMaster 01-09-2010 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriyuri (Post 794253)
Except I have heard people say いっきろ.

After searching Google it does seem that いちきろ is the more common way.
I say "more common way" because I have definitely heard いっきろ being used, even by Japanese friends.
Maybe いっきろ is just used in certain places?
I don't know, but either way いっきろ exists.

Edit:
A mail from my friend said:
さっき調べたら
いっきろは やっぱ方言で
いちきろってのが
全国共通なんだって:)

いっきろって
聞いたことない人もいるみたいだよー

Which explains why I have heard it, considering the friends I have in Japan all speak some kind of dialect.

Doesn't this mean that the counter doesn't follow the rules?

KyleGoetz 01-09-2010 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794264)
Doesn't this mean that the counter doesn't follow the rules?

Let's say the rules apply to non-loan words.

BenBullock 01-10-2010 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794155)
I am in search of a good Japanese counter table or spreadsheet (or something along those lines) that tells me the exceptions of different counters. I can't seem to find a good one. Does anyone know of a good one? Thanks for your time.

http://www.trussel.com/jcount.htm has some information on whether to use ichi or hito.

The Counting Dictionary (jp) has a lot of information on exceptions.

SceptileMaster 01-11-2010 12:48 AM

Thanks for the links.

What are the rules for loan-words then?

KyleGoetz 01-11-2010 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794538)
Thanks for the links.

What are the rules for loan-words then?

That the rules don't apply to them. ;)


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