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SceptileMaster 01-08-2010 09:50 PM

Good Japanese counter resource?
 
I am in search of a good Japanese counter table or spreadsheet (or something along those lines) that tells me the exceptions of different counters. I can't seem to find a good one. Does anyone know of a good one? Thanks for your time.

snbzk 01-08-2010 11:39 PM

counters [The Nihongoresources Grammar book]

KyleGoetz 01-08-2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794155)
I am in search of a good Japanese counter table or spreadsheet (or something along those lines) that tells me the exceptions of different counters. I can't seem to find a good one. Does anyone know of a good one? Thanks for your time.

The rules of the Internet are:
1. check Google
2. check Wikipedia
3. ????
4. Profit!

Haha :) Your answer is given by #2: Japanese counter word - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good luck!

SceptileMaster 01-08-2010 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snbzk (Post 794173)

Thank you very much for this.

Also I did google and wiki it but while wikipedia told me the counters it didn't tell me the exceptions in readings which is what I really wanted.

EDIT: I still can't find the readings for キロ. Also does this represent both kilogrammes and kilometres. I also can't find some others like, centimetres and so forth.

yuriyuri 01-09-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794181)
Thank you very much for this.

Also I did google and wiki it but while wikipedia told me the counters it didn't tell me the exceptions in readings which is what I really wanted.

EDIT: I still can't find the readings for キロ. Also does this represent both kilogrammes and kilometres. I also can't find some others like, centimetres and so forth.

I just want to remind you of that awesome site you bookmarked the other day:
http://www.alc.co.jp/index.html

Centimeters: “centimeters”の検索結果(194 件):英辞郎 on the Web:スペースアルク ;)
(センチ)

As for readings, the link that KyleGoetz gave has some rules in it:
Japanese counter word - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And so does the link snbzk gave:
counters [The Nihongoresources Grammar book]

By these rules it goes:
いっきろ
にきろ
さんきろ
よんきろ
ごきろ
ろっきろ
ななきろ
はっきろ
きゅうきろ
じゅっきろ

And yes, it can be both kilogrammes and kilometres.
“キロ”の検索結果(964 件):英辞郎 on the Web:スペースアルク

masaegu 01-09-2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794181)
EDIT: I still can't find the readings for キロ. Also does this represent both kilogrammes and kilometres. I also can't find some others like, centimetres and so forth.

キロ is always read キロ.

And yes, it can represent both. We shorten it because it's usually clear from the context which one is meant. When it isn't shortened, we use キログラム and キロメートル.
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This is all in Japanese but I use the following for the counters. It's by far the most comprehensive list I've seen. You look for the exact "noun" that you want to count and it gives you the counter.

http://www.benricho.org/kazu/a_02.html

yuriyuri 01-09-2010 12:50 AM

That's an awesome link masaegu!
*bookmarked* :)

SceptileMaster 01-09-2010 12:58 AM

Yes it tells me the rules but it doesn't tell which counters use each rule which is what I really need. Finding out the counters themselves isn't really the problem. For example, how would I know whether 一キロ would be read いっきろ or いちきろ without a resource?

Also thanks for the site masaegu.

yuriyuri 01-09-2010 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794202)
For example, how would I know whether 一キロ would be read いっきろ or いちきろ without a resource?

Because of the rules.
You don't use specific rules for specific counters, otherwise they wouldn't be rules at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nihongo Resource;
When followed by a counter starting with a syllable from the か—, さ— or た—column, いち becomes いっ

いち + きろ
きろ starts with a き so it falls under this rule, meaning we turn いち into いっ.

After a while of using the rules and learning the odd exception here and there (Some exceptions are listed in the wiki here), you will just know what to say automatically.

MMM 01-09-2010 01:31 AM

Except I have never heard anyone say いっきろ. I have only heard いちきろ.


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