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murasaki11 03-15-2010 06:37 PM

Is this a good website to look at
 
I want to know if the information on this website is correct. I've been told it is. then someone told me It was not correct. I want to learn Japanese from a reliable sourse. 1 2 3 Japanese - Learn Japanese for free

KyleGoetz 03-15-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by murasaki11 (Post 804221)
I want to know if the information on this website is correct. I've been told it is. then someone told me It was not correct. I want to learn Japanese from a reliable sourse. 1 2 3 Japanese - Learn Japanese for free

Stay the heck away from that site. The first I noticed is that it's all in romaji. This alone makes it suspect.

Then the first thing I did was go to the vocab section and go to the animals>mammals section (first one I clicked on).

"Badger" is wrong. "Beaver" is spelled incorrectly in Japanese. "Cheetah" is spelled wrong in Japanese. "Hamster" is spelled wrong in Japanese. "Kangaroo" is spelled wrong in Japanese.

Moreover, I saw on multiple occasions perfect examples of why romaji is counterproductive. "Cheeta" is unbelievably wrong romaji. So incredibly unbelievable that I think the person who made this website can't possibly be able to pass JLPT3. Maybe even JLPT4.

The site is so worthless the Internet should be un-invented just to prevent this website from existing.

OP: do yourself a favor, just google for Tae Kim's Japanese Guide and study from that.

Columbine 03-15-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 804236)

Moreover, I saw on multiple occasions perfect examples of why romaji is counterproductive. "Cheeta" is unbelievably wrong romaji. So incredibly unbelievable that I think the person who made this website can't possibly be able to pass JLPT3. Maybe even JLPT4.

Would this explain it? http://www.japanforum.com/forum/japa...-japanese.html

Clearly the site owner isn't a native speaker.

I reckon, fluency aside, the creator of the site has just pulled a load of words from a dictionary that even THEY don't use on a day to day basis; animal words a prime example- If you know anything about anything to do with wildlife, you'd know that 'こういか' is NOT translated as 'cuddle fish'.

Even the romaji set up is strange. Is こう generally not transcribed as kou, not koo?

KyleGoetz 03-15-2010 08:48 PM

Here is the response I got:

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Thank you for taking the time to point out some of the errors.

Most of the content is reviewed by a person who speaks Japanese althougth some of the content on the website is not 100% correct or is missing the double letter. It is good that you pointed this out. We are working a lot to remove these errors. Thankyou for letter me know about the current errors you found.
So yeah, looks like they admit stuff is put on the site without a Japanese speaker even signing off on it.

We need a new sticky: "SITES YOU SHOULD NOT TRUST"

murasaki11 03-15-2010 08:57 PM

Hey thanks for telling me this. Yea I saw the errors with the short letters. Is that all the errors the website has. Like. the lessons are they ok? because I have been learning a lot of Japanese from this website.

KyleGoetz 03-15-2010 09:01 PM

If it took me two minutes to find multiple errors, it is not worth using.
If it teaches using romaji, it is not worth using. Period.

murasaki11 03-15-2010 09:05 PM

What can people who don't know the kana do? I just started learning katakana.

Columbine 03-15-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by murasaki11 (Post 804247)
What can people who don't know the kana do? I just started learning katakana.

Keep learning them. People get this huge mental block about 'gana and katakana. "they're too difficult", "There's too many", "it will take me too long to learn them" wah wah wah~

You know what that is? It's just a perception. I learnt all the Hiragana in a week. The following week I learnt all the Kana. I am not an exceptional student, I didn't have endless free time to devote to it, but I managed it. Everyone in my class did the same. As did everyone in the same class the years before and after me, going on for a good 20 years. Hiragana are EASY. but you MUST learn them first and then use them constantly.

In short: LEARN THE WORDS.

I wonder if the forum wouldn't benefit from a "Let's Learn Hiragana" thread? There doesn't seem to be one~

KyleGoetz 03-15-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by murasaki11 (Post 804247)
What can people who don't know the kana do? I just started learning katakana.

Learn kana. Guess what! It is literally the easiest thing about Japanese. If you can't learn kana, then you can't learn Japanese. It means you have either insufficient drive to learn or insufficient mental ability to learn.

99% of the time, it is the former.

murasaki11 03-15-2010 09:53 PM

Thats such a cocky thing to say. Just because I haven't learnt it yet doesn't mean I wasn't planning on it. Lots of people don't know the kana , or are struggling. Romaji gives the reader a idea on how it is pronounced and the ability to start speaking befor they can read. Which is usually how learning a language works.

Columbine 03-15-2010 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by murasaki11 (Post 804257)
Thats such a cocky thing to say. Just because I haven't learnt it yet doesn't mean I wasn't planning on it. Lots of people don't know the kana , or are struggling. Romaji gives the reader a idea on how it is pronounced and the ability to start speaking befor they can read. Which is usually how learning a language works.

But that's just the problem; Romaji breeds BAD pronunciation. You can tell a romaji-only learner a mile off because their accent is often horrible. I promise, i'm not even exaggerating. It also leads to a lot of confusion and misconceptions (like "all japanese people can read romaji") and more to the point, becomes a security blanket so that a lot of romaji learners refuse to use 'gana and kanji further down the line. It also teaches you to try and learn Japanese from an English language standpoint and that utterly doesn't work because they are so different. It basically creates a great big glass ceiling for all your hard work learning japanese.

I personally wasn't trying to put you or your efforts down, I don't think Kyle meant the 'you's in his post as you personally, but in a general sense. So please don't think I'm bashing you, I'm really not- It's hard learning Japanese.

But the point is, romaji in the long run is only going to make it HARDER. Don't mollycoddle yourself with romaji. Jump right in to REAL Japanese, because in the real world, romaji doesn't even ~exist~.

KyleGoetz 03-15-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by murasaki11 (Post 804257)
Thats such a cocky thing to say. Just because I haven't learnt it yet doesn't mean I wasn't planning on it. Lots of people don't know the kana , or are struggling. Romaji gives the reader a idea on how it is pronounced and the ability to start speaking befor they can read. Which is usually how learning a language works.

I meant "you" in the general sense, not the specific sense. I'm sorry for any confusion.

BenBullock 03-16-2010 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by murasaki11 (Post 804221)
I want to know if the information on this website is correct. I've been told it is. then someone told me It was not correct. I want to learn Japanese from a reliable sourse.

I don't care to spend the time working out whether it is correct, but how are you going to learn Japanese from a website which just has a list of random animals or a list of verbs, without any explanations of what the different forms of the verbs are? Why would you want to memorize a random list of animals like "buffalo" in Japanese? Are you doing a degree in zoology in Japan?

There is a page on katakana but it doesn't tell you how to write them at all, it just has a table of them, without any explanation. There's no way anyone can learn anything from that.

This website is what I'd describe as a "low information content" website. There are thousands and thousands of such sites on the internet. They don't serve any purpose.

Nyororin 03-16-2010 02:17 AM

I get the feeling that Murasaki11 here is a signature spammer, trying to advertise THEIR site. Otherwise, why put the link in their signature?

We do not welcome signature spammers here - and the link will be removed from that signature. Put it back and you prove you`re a signature spammer, and will be banned.

ETA; And signature gone now.

DanielSheen 03-16-2010 02:44 AM

Thats my little sister. Its not her website. Shes just a little kid and didn't come here to spam she came here to get peoples opinion on me and my friends website.

And if you think having a wee little link to a website as spam, then your pathetic.

MMM 03-16-2010 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielSheen (Post 804312)
Thats my little sister. Its not her website. Shes just a little kid and didn't come here to spam she came here to get peoples opinion on me and my friends website.

And if you think having a wee little link to a website as spam, then your pathetic.

You can understand people's suspicions, though.

If I said "Hey guys, what do you think of this blog I found?" And posted the link in my signature. It looks weird.

KyleGoetz 03-16-2010 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielSheen (Post 804312)
Thats my little sister. Its not her website. Shes just a little kid and didn't come here to spam she came here to get peoples opinion on me and my friends website.

And if you think having a wee little link to a website as spam, then your pathetic.

It's more that we do not like people who are disingenuous. But I think I've expressed my feeling better in the now-stickied thread you were active in earlier. I'm not trying to pick a fight.


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