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MMM 11-01-2010 09:40 PM

What do you know? Completely had me fooled.

cranks 11-01-2010 09:45 PM

It had many Japanese fooled. I've heard of 津軽弁 being completely unrecognizable, but I too was underestimating it.

StonerPenguin 11-03-2010 01:52 AM

Haha, so I guess Tsugaru-ben is similar to the US's Louisiana Cajun accent? Sorry, the most recent episode of South Park (YouTube - South Park Season 14 Episode 11 Coon 2 THE SHRIMP GUY) parodied the Cajun accent so it popped into my head when I read this :D

Check this out; YouTube - Spicy Cajun Accents (from AMERICAN TONGUES) I understood like 15 random words of what they said. D:

Thanks for sharing masaegu! And thanks to cranks too for sharing some native insight ;) Very interesting :D

Tsugaru dialect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
From (English) Wikipedia;
The words are sometimes very different from those of standard Japanese.
English Standard Japanese Tsugaru dialect
I          watashi         wa
you        anata          na
cute       kawaii         megoi
friend      tomodachi     keyagu
road       douro        kendo
countryside inaka         jago
but        keredo        batte
same      onaji          futozu
very       totemo        tage/gappa
That's a serious difference! :O

cranks 11-03-2010 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by StonerPenguin (Post 835724)
Haha, so I guess Tsugaru-ben is similar to the US's Louisiana Cajun accent? Sorry, the most recent episode of South Park (YouTube - South Park Season 14 Episode 11 Coon 2 THE SHRIMP GUY) parodied the Cajun accent so it popped into my head when I read this :D

Check this out; YouTube - Spicy Cajun Accents (from AMERICAN TONGUES) I understood like 15 random words of what they said. D:

Thanks for sharing Massegu! And thanks to cranks too for sharing some native insight ;) Very interesting :D

Oh, this is awesome, I'll send it to my friend from Louisiana and see if he can understand it.

StonerPenguin 11-03-2010 03:13 AM

Hehe, Although I think Tsugaru is more different from Standard Japanese than Cajun is from Standard English i.e. I can sorta understand the Cajun people in that video if I listen carefully a few times, though I've been hearing Southern accents my whole life as a result of living in Alabama for nearly 20 years :mtongue: Though I don't have a southern accent :I but I do say "fixing to" for "about to" (like in "I'm about to leave") which I didn't even know was a southern-only expression til I talked to my northern cousins O:

Man, divergent dialects are scary from a student's point of view but if even native speaker's can't understand it... I wonder if there's textbooks on how to understand Aomori people... :D

BTW, just out of curiosity; Are accents bad with older Japanese people?
Here in the southern US, often older people (heck, not even that 'old' -- 40-year-old+ people) are nearly impossible to understand. Just tonight, I went to a meeting and there was this guy in his 50's was trying to talk to me and I just got tired of asking him "What?" so I just nodded my head and pretended to understand him :/ This is a sadly common phenomenon, so does this happen with older people in Japan too?

cranks 11-03-2010 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StonerPenguin (Post 835730)
Hehe, Although I think Tsugaru is more different from Standard Japanese than Cajun is from Standard English

That was my impression too. I maybe able to somewhat understand Cajun if I live there for a while, but 津軽弁 sounds even worse.
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Originally Posted by StonerPenguin (Post 835730)
BTW, just out of curiosity; Are accents bad with older Japanese people?
Here in the southern US, often older people (heck, not even that 'old' -- 40-year-old+ people) are nearly impossible to understand. Just tonight, I went to a meeting and there was this guy in his 50's was trying to talk to me and I just got tired of asking him "What?" so I just nodded my head and pretended to understand him :/ This is a sadly common phenomenon, so does this happen with older people in Japan too?

Definitely. Some younger people from 東北 for example say they don't even understand their own grand parents sometimes.

konbini 11-03-2010 04:21 AM

I studied french and think it is fake french

masaegu 11-03-2010 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by konbini (Post 835737)
I studied french and think it is fake french

lol You're missing the point.

MMM 11-03-2010 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by konbini (Post 835737)
I studied french and think it is fake french

Read the rest of the thread.

cranks 11-03-2010 04:31 AM

How so many people are fooled :p
masaegu made a really good post.


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