持つ

[Maxful]

Hi, I have a question regarding "持つ".

ペンを持っています。
I have a pen.

But what if I would like to say "I am holding a parcel"? Should I say:

荷物をもつ。

or

荷物をもっています。

[SHAD0W]

Originally Posted by Maxful

荷物をもっています。

Is correct I think

Can also be used as.. 車を持っている　－　I own a car.

[Maxful]

Thanks SHADOW.

[princessmarisa]

Originally Posted by Maxful

Hi, I have a question regarding "持つ".

ペンを持っています。
I have a pen.

But what if I would like to say "I am holding a parcel"? Should I say:

荷物をもつ。

or

荷物をもっています。

Think of the grammar 持つ is the dictionary form to hold/to have, っている・っています　is the continued state of being of that verb so "having" is the closest in English.

However in English we don't say　"I am having a pen" we say "I have a pen" so it causes confusion with the grammar/tense when translating I think.

荷物を持っています makes sense as in "I (currently) have some luggage"

The way I see it as 持つ can mean hold or possess I doesn't directly state if you are holding it or just have some (say on the floor) I'd like if someone else could clarify how this inflection is gained?

荷物を持つ is more talking about "to have luggage" so it would be used in more complicated sentences,theoretical/conditional grammar or perhaps future tense.

[Supperman]

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

Think of the grammar 持つ is the dictionary form to hold/to have, っている・っています　is the continued state of being of that verb so "having" is the closest in English.

However in English we don't say　"I am having a pen" we say "I have a pen" so it causes confusion with the grammar/tense when translating I think.

荷物を持っています makes sense as in "I (currently) have some luggage"

The way I see it as 持つ can mean hold or possess I doesn't directly state if you are holding it or just have some (say on the floor) I'd like if someone else could clarify how this inflection is gained?

荷物を持つ is more talking about "to have luggage" so it would be used in more complicated sentences,theoretical/conditional grammar or perhaps future tense.

I agree with your opinion.
How about
荷物をかかえています。(荷物を抱えています。）
荷物を持ち上げています。
?

[SHAD0W]

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

The way I see it as 持つ can mean hold or possess I doesn't directly state if you are holding it or just have some (say on the floor) I'd like if someone else could clarify how this inflection is gained?

Don't confuse things. Just understand it as it is rather than trying to translate it in your head. Its the difference between 持つ and ある.

荷物を持ち上げています

I read this as lifting above your head or like, moving a piano.

[chryuop]

Originally Posted by SHAD0W

Don't confuse things. Just understand it as it is rather than trying to translate it in your head. Its the difference between 持つ and ある.

荷物を持ち上げています

I read this as lifting above your head or like, moving a piano.

I personally tend to use 持っていく instead of plain もっている...not saying the other one is wrong, but it makes me feel safe because I know it is not misleading. I know there is the verb 運ぶ, but I am not sure about its use yet, so I have never used it (and of course it's not that I use the verb carry that much). All in all, using the verb of motion make ME feel safer so I prefer it. I used more often take someone (speaking of taking my daughter to school mostly) and even there I like using the motion verb (連れていく）.

[Maxful]

Thanks for the explanations, guys.