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spawn142001 11-25-2007 05:34 PM

Sentence structure in Kanji
 
Allright im currently teaching myself kanji with this extremely helpfull website Kanji flashcard thing honestly i couldent think of an easyer way to learn kanji and its working great for me. What i want to know is that when i am writing sentences in kanji do i include particles because i havent learned any in kanji yet so im not sure if they exist.


For example if i want to write the boy can . i know that the sentence structure in japaneese is subject object verb would i simply write in kanji boy run can. or would i have kanji for thigns like "the" and "a" or "an" and for conjuctions also. Also if i have a more complex sentence such as the boy can run and walk fast how would i write that because now its more complicated then simply subject object verb and where do i put the adjective fast at?

Kenpachi11 11-25-2007 06:42 PM

Sorry i dont know:confused:

Nattybumppo 11-25-2007 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spawn142001 (Post 308421)
For example if i want to write the boy can . i know that the sentence structure in japaneese is subject object verb would i simply write in kanji boy run can. or would i have kanji for thigns like "the" and "a" or "an" and for conjuctions also. Also if i have a more complex sentence such as the boy can run and walk fast how would i write that because now its more complicated then simply subject object verb and where do i put the adjective fast at?

You need to learn Japanese grammar. There is no "the" or "a" (articles) in Japanese. Japanese uses a mixture of hiragana, katakana, and kanji. I'm surprised that you're even making an effort learning kanji before learning how this works.

Read and internalize information like what's written here: Japanese writing system

MMM 11-25-2007 10:52 PM

So you are learning kanji without learning Japanese? I don't get it.

spawn142001 11-26-2007 12:26 AM

welll duhhh i know that a an and the dont exist in japaneese but they have particles nontheless, my point is that i want to know if there is any kanji for theese particles, and i also stated i wanted to know where adjectives fit into the sentence structure they have.

Hmm i was under the impresion they rarely use hirigana and katakana when writing stuff, and yes im teaching my self japaneese too but the gramar that ive read so far wasent very clear on many things.

MMM 11-26-2007 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by spawn142001 (Post 308940)
welll duhhh i know that a an and the dont exist in japaneese but they have particles nontheless, my point is that i want to know if there is any kanji for theese particles, and i also stated i wanted to know where adjectives fit into the sentence structure they have.

Hmm i was under the impresion they rarely use hirigana and katakana when writing stuff, and yes im teaching my self japaneese too but the gramar that ive read so far wasent very clear on many things.

Woah woah woah. Get yourself to a teacher, STAT.

If something doesn't exist in Japanese, then there is no kanji for it.

There are no kanji for particles. Particles like は、が、に、へ、を etc. are all written in hiragana.

Rarely used hiragana and katakana? Where are you getting your information? Have you ever looked at a Japanese sentence?

日本語はカタカナとひらがなと漢字で書きます。

Look at the above, typical Japanese sentence. You see a mix of hiragana, katakana and kanji. That's what a typical Japanese sentence looks like. Are you sure you weren't looking at Chinese sentences?

AichiAlex 11-26-2007 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spawn142001 (Post 308421)
Allright im currently teaching myself kanji with this extremely helpfull website Kanji flashcard thing honestly i couldent think of an easyer way to learn kanji and its working great for me. What i want to know is that when i am writing sentences in kanji do i include particles because i havent learned any in kanji yet so im not sure if they exist.


For example if i want to write the boy can . i know that the sentence structure in japaneese is subject object verb would i simply write in kanji boy run can. or would i have kanji for thigns like "the" and "a" or "an" and for conjuctions also. Also if i have a more complex sentence such as the boy can run and walk fast how would i write that because now its more complicated then simply subject object verb and where do i put the adjective fast at?

I think you might be confusing Japanese with Chinese, you'll need to pick up a book (or find a website) on Japanese Grammar. Also, before you even THINK about learning Kanji, you should learn that Japanese syllabic alphabets of Hiragana and Katakana. A quick google for "learn hiragana" should give you more than enough resources.

Good luck learning Japanese!

spawn142001 11-26-2007 11:02 AM

i know im talking about particles like wa and there are some others but at the moment i cant rember any but when you say something like watashi wa wa is a particle and i just wanted to know if there is kanji for particles like that which is no, and nobody has answered where adjectives go in the japaneese sentence structure.

Nattybumppo 11-26-2007 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by spawn142001 (Post 309346)
i know im talking about particles like wa and there are some others but at the moment i cant rember any but when you say something like watashi wa wa is a particle and i just wanted to know if there is kanji for particles like that which is no, and nobody has answered where adjectives go in the japaneese sentence structure.

Most common particles don't have kanji, and if they do, they're generally archaic and not used in modern Japanese.

Adjectives go BEFORE the nouns that they modify.

Work on your English. It's poorly written and hard to understand.

spawn142001 11-26-2007 08:06 PM

reading that now, the only thing hard to understand about it, is i dident always put commas where i paused and its a run on sentence but that fact dosent make it hard to understand.

Thanks though that should make things alot easyer for me.

MMM 11-26-2007 08:27 PM

I find your technique very dubious. I recommend a more organized system of Japanese study.

Kenpachi11 11-26-2007 10:06 PM

Kanji is chinese. But they make the students learn in it japanese schools

kunitokotachi 11-26-2007 10:58 PM

I am very confused about your title "sentence structure in kanji." Kanji is one of the three systems of writings in Japanese. Many of the hiragana words can be written in kanji form. However, I wouldn't worry about the kanji until you have become more proficient in basic Japanese. After that you could gradually start learning kanji. Just make sure you don't start with difficult kanji such as 綺麗 before you learn kanji such as 山.

DerekJ 11-27-2007 06:02 PM

How about throwing the guy some suggestions? If you want a quick and dirty grammar book, try Barron's Japanese Grammar. For it's size it is pretty good for the beginning/intermediate student. Decide on a text book series to use. A couple of the best are the Yookoso! and Genki series. There are plenty of kana (hiragana & katakana) study sources out there. If you buckle down, it should take no more than a weekend to master it. If at all possible, do not study Japanese in romaji. Get away from it as soon as possible and move on to kana study materials. You need to have a firm understanding of grammar before jumping into kanji. Good luck!

MMM 11-27-2007 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenpachi11 (Post 310004)
Kanji is chinese. But they make the students learn in it japanese schools

Kanji comes from Chinese, but is not Chinese. Characters were adapted, but meanings and pronunciations are very different.

MMM 11-27-2007 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekJ (Post 310864)
How about throwing the guy some suggestions? If you want a quick and dirty grammar book, try Barron's Japanese Grammar. For it's size it is pretty good for the beginning/intermediate student. Decide on a text book series to use. A couple of the best are the Yookoso! and Genki series. There are plenty of kana (hiragana & katakana) study sources out there. If you buckle down, it should take no more than a weekend to master it. If at all possible, do not study Japanese in romaji. Get away from it as soon as possible and move on to kana study materials. You need to have a firm understanding of grammar before jumping into kanji. Good luck!

Good advice, Derek. I wouldn't push yourself to learn hiragana and katakana in a weekend. You should be able to do it in a few weeks, though.

danslak 12-19-2007 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spawn142001 (Post 309926)
reading that now, the only thing hard to understand about it, is i dident always put commas where i paused and its a run on sentence but that fact dosent make it hard to understand.

Actually, it really does make it hard to understand. Also, a spell check would help us out too. Didn't, not dident. I'm not trying to be an A**H**, really, I'm not. Listen, Japan is the most literate country in the world. Might as well get used to writing clearly now so your JAPANESE is better later.

Kanji particles: NO
Adj.: Just like english

chachava 12-19-2007 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by spawn142001 (Post 309346)
i know im talking about particles like wa and there are some others but at the moment i cant rember any but when you say something like watashi wa wa is a particle and i just wanted to know if there is kanji for particles like that which is no, and nobody has answered where adjectives go in the japaneese sentence structure.


not that I wanna sound pedantic or anything, but the article used there is HA (は)

Learning kanji on your own is fine, but I would definately recommend you learn Japanese as a language with a teacher before you get too involved with the written styles - it will only seem backwards and confusing otherwise (trust me, I know from personal experience lol)

DragonShade 12-19-2007 05:21 AM

You know , its hard to master the structure of Kanji, I mean sometimes they can write a series of kanji without any particle or anything. like they make up new words. I just dont get it even thought I am Chinese.

MMM 12-19-2007 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonShade (Post 330254)
You know , its hard to master the structure of Kanji, I mean sometimes they can write a series of kanji without any particle or anything. like they make up new words. I just dont get it even thought I am Chinese.

Yeah, you see those expecially for like goverment titles and offices or stuff like this: 地下水汚染対策事例集.

DragonShade 12-19-2007 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 330261)
Yeah, you see those expecially for like goverment titles and offices or stuff like this: 地下水汚染対策事例集.

Yea , that's what I dont understand. Only limited to titles ?

MMM 12-19-2007 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonShade (Post 330270)
Yea , that's what I dont understand. Only limited to titles ?

I would say titles, goverment offices, commitee names...basically government and beuracracies. Hopefully things we don't have to worry about.

DragonShade 12-19-2007 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 330272)
I would say titles, goverment offices, commitee names...basically government and beuracracies. Hopefully things we don't have to worry about.

Oh , that really answers my question ~Thanks

lpdirufangirl09 12-20-2007 02:40 AM



okay, i know this probably doesn't go in this thread but is this the correct kanji for mother? if not, could someone send me a pic of it in the next 1-2 days. i'm putting it on a painting i did for my mom.

DragonShade 12-20-2007 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lpdirufangirl09 (Post 331358)


okay, i know this probably doesn't go in this thread but is this the correct kanji for mother? if not, could someone send me a pic of it in the next 1-2 days. i'm putting it on a painting i did for my mom.

yea , this is it. both In Japanese and in Chinese


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