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JoshAussie 06-23-2008 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by zachart (Post 520032)
I have created my own kind of martial arts... i did it from watching diferent types... learning about the human body and now i have created my own type...

i hope you called it Zakudo

zachart 06-23-2008 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshAussie (Post 520049)
i hope you called it Zakudo

truthfully i don't have a name for it yet...

JoshAussie 06-23-2008 03:09 AM

well i vote for zakudo or zacudo or zachudo

cause its like your name and like it has like kudo in like the name too and like im like so smart

Paul11 06-23-2008 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 519614)
With regard to the "TKD was influenced by Karate but is derived from Tae Kyun" statement. How do you decide if a martial art is the parent of another or whether it was simply an influence?

To me it seems redundant to make the distinction. I suspect this distinction only serves as Korean propaganda so as to sell the image of TKD as a purely Korean martial art.

Anyway... I always thought that TKD was derived from Tae Kyun and Karate.

No way dude, a fifth level ranger could kick a 10th level mage's ass! Who would win between the hulk and ironman?

I agree with you and these arguments are assinine. all these arts are related and interchangeable. It's not the art, but the person who uses it. Who cares where they came from? I like angelina Jolie, but I don't care about Jon Voight's nutsack.

JoshAussie 06-23-2008 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul11 (Post 520109)
No way dude, a fifth level ranger could kick a 10th level mage's ass! Who would win between the hulk and ironman?

I agree with you and these arguments are assinine. all these arts are related and interchangeable. It's not the art, but the person who uses it. Who cares where they came from? I like angelina Jolie, but I don't care about Jon Voight's nutsack.

hahahahaha, very good

godwine 06-23-2008 12:42 PM

Amnell and Tenchu,

My knowledge came from research, like everything else in life, science, engineering, medical... everything... came from a bit of researc here and there. It may not be correct or accurate sort of speak, but it is knowledge that came from research, so I am only basing my posting off of what I know.

And don't go off calling an entire nation "liar", you have no rights to do such a thing. Its unfortunate that some like to twist history around, us, absolutely everyone, gain our knowledge from experieince and history.

I do appreciate a healthy debate and discussion, but not the hostility and aggressiveness from a certain individual. Such behavior only make you a narrow minded selfish person who has extremely poor learning attitude - Thats not what a martial artist or someone in a fighting sport should be like

Its either you are trying to act tough by down talking everyone or you are just a real loser in life...

Narutocrazy101 06-23-2008 12:59 PM

*Sulk*Is thier really nobody that practises pi gua?

godwine 06-23-2008 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Narutocrazy101 (Post 520317)
*Sulk*Is thier really nobody that practises pi gua?

Pi Gua is a very ancient form, I know a lot of existing other art have taken several techniques and form from Pi Gua as part of their own, but I don't know of any school that teaches Pi Gua as it primary art

Its powerful, but too much fixed movement

Tenchu, you win, be the self centered person you want, not that it affect me or should I care. PS. I am not Korean, coming to their defense has nothing to do with my ethnicity and background... its call MORAL....

Amnell 06-23-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
That is BS, Amnell. Look into it. Koreans have lied about a lot of things. The only form of kicking art the Koreans ever had prior to Japanese Karate influence was not a martial art, but actually a kicking game that in no way resembles TKD, like you said, but it is NOT TKD. Go read some facts and you will learn, and dont believe what your stupid teacher tells you. People find it romantic the notion TKD is an ancient art used to kick horse men from their saddle. That is just stupid. It is Karate, plain and simple, havn't you ever wondered why the Karate moves were all so similar if it was an entirly different art? Answer that.

Well, that's because the style the military was using didn't rely on just kicks like TKD does, genius. The info I got on TKD didn't come from any of my instructors; it came from research. I've never, EVER, heard of someone using TKD to kick a mounted soldier off of his horse before. If someone told me that they did that and they could still walk, I would laugh in their face! Karate influenced TKD. It is not the parent art.

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
Yes, sweety, but just because TKD has its own sport, that does not change the fact that guys are using it to win kick boxing fights and that the original art was designed for street combat.

Why are you calling me sweety again? Didn't we go over that last week??? I never said that people didn't use TKD in kickboxing. I was only talking about the difference between the sport practice of TKD and the sport practice of MT. To reiterate again, I'm talking TKD is it is typically practiced today: it is not generally taught as an art you would use to defend yourself on the street, even if it could be used that way.

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
I am really starting to think you are completely clueless...

Can you then explain the exact difference where someone who can win a Muay Thai fight is not overly qualified to fight on the street, also? Because I am thinking you are assuming all MT guys have brain damage or something, and can not fight without pillows on their hands...

... What does ANY of that have to with what I said??? My point was that Muay Thai is considered a sport art. Where did I say that being a sport made it ineffective on the street? Stop putting words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
Om, you must be learning a different style than I am then! I bet you have trouble with those back kicks!

Eh, not so much o_O . Back kicks are fun, and learning to do them from a cat stance is quite interesting--it's more about "when" than "how".

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
Yeah, I know what you are talking about, but the whole thing does not work out of the TKD stance. I am starting to think you are not doing strictly traditional TKD. It is the same trouble I have doing TKD kicks from a MT stance. I can not side kick or back kick without doing dramatic stance changes first, in most cases, and that is often a give away to your opponent.

Hence the step before the kick. The step sets you up to do the kick very nicely. You're right, my school was not strictly traditional. Most TKD schools in this area aren't because if you can market yourself as teaching self-defense, you can get more soccer moms to bring their kids to your school. Hence, the TKD schools blend techniques from different styles into their curriculum to make it look street-effective (and someone who trains hard really will be, too). Learn how to do a cross-step; that should make it easier to throw a sidekick. From the MT stance, that would probably carry you sideways rather than forward... Hm, you'd have to experiment a little :P . HF ^_^

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
That is a misconception. And dont believe it can not happen. I have seen black belts who can punch perfect, but struggle to answer the question of how to make a strong fist with your hand so your bones wont break when you punch.

Granted, but I'm missing how this relates to what I said :P .

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
You can not use the blade of the foot when you kick above waist height. The angle is poor and you will do better with the heel. When you use it to strike at the legs you simply use the blade as a pivot, to help further flcik the heel into the opponent, but you dont actually strike with the blade. It can not transfer power at that angle. Weight is best transfered through a straight line, place a right angle in there, like at the joint of the ankle, and you will lose power.

Not true! I have watched MANY people break boards that were at chest level with the blade of their foot. One of our second-degrees broke one at head level with the blade of his foot.

I think I may have caused some confusion, though: We were taught to kick on the edge of our foot, sure, but we were hitting--ideally--on the spot on the blade that's right next to the heel. So we were sort of using the heel, but the foot was turned to the side rather than coming in straight. It's kinda hard to describe.

In any case, no one ever complained about losing power or having problems breaking the boards.

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Originally Posted by Tenchu
Where are you getting this shit from, guys? I would like to see it, because I have not seen any proof of it.

You can always start with Wikipedia. Then move to a real encyclopedia and finally into some actual literature on the subject. Seems to work for everyone else :P .

zachart 06-24-2008 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshAussie (Post 520100)
well i vote for zakudo or zacudo or zachudo

cause its like your name and like it has like kudo in like the name too and like im like so smart

well like you like sound like you like drunk like dude..... like..

Natsume 06-24-2008 06:04 AM

The History of Taekwondo is very much contended among it's practitioners.

My personal beleif is that the Hawang Do developed an unarmed combat system. And after influences from the Japanese occuption of Korea the style known by the world as "Taekwondo" was born.

godwine 06-24-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 521006)
The History of Taekwondo is very much contended among it's practitioners.

My personal beleif is that the Hawang Do developed an unarmed combat system. And after influences from the Japanese occuption of Korea the style known by the world as "Taekwondo" was born.

Hi Natsume, if my research is correct, Hwa Rang Do split into multiple art not just TKD, I understand thats not what you are implying, but I just want to clarify.

Actually, there are still modern day Hw Rang Do, but it evolved quite a bit...

Natsume 06-24-2008 07:00 PM

Hapkido was another art influenced or created by the Hawang Do corret?

godwine 06-25-2008 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 521399)
Hapkido was another art influenced or created by the Hawang Do corret?

I believe so... There seems to be a lot of links to suggest that Hwa Rang Do is almost a Bushido, possibly Ninjitsu equiv, while Hapkido is a Aikido equiv, and Taekwon Do is a Karate equiv. That said, I am not suggesting that there is any of them copying from the other, just fascinating to see how the arts evolve in similar manners

Asakura 06-25-2008 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 521006)
The History of Taekwondo is very much contended among it's practitioners.

My personal beleif is that the Hawang Do developed an unarmed combat system. And after influences from the Japanese occuption of Korea the style known by the world as "Taekwondo" was born.

That's what I've heard too sis. Our Kukkiwan traces the origin of Taekwondo to both the Hawang Do and Japanese Karate.

Natsume 06-25-2008 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Asakura (Post 521883)
That's what I've heard too sis. Our Kukkiwan traces the origin of Taekwondo to both the Hawang Do and Japanese Karate.

Don't sis me, where have you been?

Anyway, you never gave me an answer to my question.

Why did you decide to stop persuing Shaolin? And give me a real reason this time.

Asakura 06-25-2008 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 521890)
Don't sis me, where have you been?

Anyway, you never gave me an answer to my question.

Why did you decide to stop persuing Shaolin? And give me a real reason this time.

I just studied the style and it dosen't seem to suit bigger guys, thats all. I don't want to spend 15,000 $ on a style I won't be good at. Plus there are other things that I want to do. I don't have to explain myself to you.

godwine 06-25-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Asakura (Post 522007)
I just studied the style and it dosen't seem to suit bigger guys, thats all. I don't want to spend 15,000 $ on a style I won't be good at. Plus there are other things that I want to do. I don't have to explain myself to you.

You should never let your body size be the limitation or excuse for not performing in any art. You need to overcome the issue and improve yourself.

Jaydelart 06-25-2008 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 522124)
You should never let your body size be the limitation or excuse for not performing in any art. You need to overcome the issue and improve yourself.

I agree.

The harder you work, the more skilled you will become.
Afterall, hard work never earns you nothing in the end.

Natsume 06-25-2008 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 522388)
I agree.

The harder you work, the more skilled you will become.
Afterall, hard work never earns you nothing in the end.

See these guys are right, you really loved Shaolin and all of a sudden you just drop it for Muay Thai? I think you're hiding something, you're not that wishwashy, and you're not a coward. If you have a viable reason then tell me. But tell me here where you have to pony up to your fellow Martial Artists.

Asakura 06-27-2008 01:46 AM

Alright look, I just made studies into the style and it just tuned out not to be for me. I mean I'm still looking for a style I just have a guy to help me with Muay Thai. So I'm training to be succesful in that style. I just have a boost up. That's all.

godwine 06-27-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Asakura (Post 523447)
Alright look, I just made studies into the style and it just tuned out not to be for me. I mean I'm still looking for a style I just have a guy to help me with Muay Thai. So I'm training to be succesful in that style. I just have a boost up. That's all.

Ok, so there is nothing wrong with that, if you felt a style is not for you thats fine, but all that I am saying is that the whole point of martial art training is to "TRAIN".

Is like learning, whats the point of learning if you know it all already? When you train, its assumed that you don't have the capabilities yet, you train to earn that capabilities. Don't ever let your physique be your own enemy.

The whole thing with martial art training fit in with the theory of human evolution (if you believe in Darwin). You gain and "evolve" into something that fill that need, in this case, the need to be strong, to be good at martial art.......

CrazyLee 06-27-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 523664)
Is like learning, whats the point of learning if you know it all already?

I agree h what you've said but, if you don't mind, I'd like to point something out about the quote above. My Aikido Sensei has the following point of view: you are always learning. On every technique there will be something that you can learn, something that you can go 'ah, so thats how its done'. Whats the point of studying any martial art if you take the attitude of 'I've done it, Ive graded doing it. I don't need to do it again'.
This is not to say that is what your suggesting, and I would like to apologise now if I've offended you. But I do know of some martial arts (Jujitsu being one) where you don't work on earlier techniques.
Which actually brings me to a question, for everyone here: do you have the option to work on previous grade techniques? And if you don't, would you want to?

godwine 06-27-2008 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyLee (Post 523678)
I agree h what you've said but, if you don't mind, I'd like to point something out about the quote above. My Aikido Sensei has the following point of view: you are always learning. On every technique there will be something that you can learn, something that you can go 'ah, so thats how its done'. Whats the point of studying any martial art if you take the attitude of 'I've done it, Ive graded doing it. I don't need to do it again'.
This is not to say that is what your suggesting, and I would like to apologise now if I've offended you. But I do know of some martial arts (Jujitsu being one) where you don't work on earlier techniques.
Which actually brings me to a question, for everyone here: do you have the option to work on previous grade techniques? And if you don't, would you want to?

Not offended at all, very good point. I wasn't suggesting that its possible to "know it all", I am just saying that the learning and training process is the important part of life, and in martial art (or anything else for that matter). You don't need to be able to do something already in order to train, as a matter, you want to train yourself because you know you cannot do it and want to try it.

Its true that a lot of martial artist, once they reach a national competitive level, or, especially with the "belt" discipline, once the reach black belt level, they think that they already KNOW it. Here are my favourite quote, which I think applies to everything in life, and definitely the world of martial art

"You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You must do the thing which you think you cannot do

One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in the choices one makes...and the choices we make are ultimately our responsibility"

CrazyLee 06-27-2008 01:39 PM

Agreed. By the way, where's the quote from?

godwine 06-27-2008 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyLee (Post 523706)
Agreed. By the way, where's the quote from?

Both are from Eleanor Roosevelt. The entire quote is much longer, i only took 2 relevant lines from the series. PM me if you want the full thing, i will send it to you

Asakura 06-27-2008 02:12 PM

I dunno I'm still in a sorta weird place. I mean I'm learning TKD and Brasilian Jiu Jitsu.

I would like to fight MMA and my ultimate goal is to open and have a Martial Arts School. But when I say school I mean more like a Martial Arts Collage, like one that can support thousands of students of all ages, of all kinds of different styles. I'm just trying to be a well-rounded Martial Artist. So I train every day to make that dream a reality. I guess I lost my sight, what I need to do is focas on the style I'm learning now. Instead of constantly trying to see ahead.

Natsume 06-27-2008 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Asakura (Post 523719)
I guess I lost my sight, what I need to do is focas on the style I'm learning now. Instead of constantly trying to see ahead.

Now that's what I wanted to hear. Taekwondo is a great art in and of itself, don't let anyone tell you different, sure it's not perfect. But show me someone who practices the perfect Martial Art and I'll show you a hoax.

You need to settle down, relax and love your art. Make it your own, instead of contantly trying to be something else.

godwine 06-27-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Asakura (Post 523719)
I dunno I'm still in a sorta weird place. I mean I'm learning TKD and Brasilian Jiu Jitsu.

I would like to fight MMA and my ultimate goal is to open and have a Martial Arts School. But when I say school I mean more like a Martial Arts Collage, like one that can support thousands of students of all ages, of all kinds of different styles. I'm just trying to be a well-rounded Martial Artist. So I train every day to make that dream a reality. I guess I lost my sight, what I need to do is focas on the style I'm learning now. Instead of constantly trying to see ahead.

Focusing in on your training and looking ahead should never have any kind of conflict. You have a goal, so stick to it. What you need is to learn how to prioritize your task. Your goal is not your greatest enemy here, and definitely not the "looking ahead" part.

You need to have a goal, and your goal is to be a well rounded martial artist, so your task is to plan out how you will get there. Give yourself achievable time line, let say "First three years to achieve BB in TKD, spend 2 years in BJJ, spend 2 years in Karate, Spend 2 years in whatever". Plan it out and stick to it.

You need a lot of money to start a school that teach "Martial Science", so you also need to figure a way to get that funding, its a business. You need to learn how to get funding for your business, if you are to go with a loan, you need to be able to present and sell yourself to the financial institute, let them know why they should lend you the money, should you decide to not go with a loan, you need to figure out a way to come up with the money.

No drea/hope/goals are too big to be achieved, how you get there is the important part, and from your discussion with othres, it appears that you want to achieve everything TOO fast.

Also, to be a successful trainer, you really need to have an attitude to convince your student on mind training and why they need to carry a good learning attitude. You are ultimately responsible for the well being of your student, they are a mirror of you. Its a big responsibility.

Of course, you don't have to care about any of these if you only care about training good fighters, in which case, its not ART anymore...

Asakura 06-28-2008 05:22 AM

Alright I'm 275 lbs or 124.74 Kg (yes I'm doing all I can to loose weight and have been doing pretty well)

I'm 6'4" or 1.23 meters

Asakura 06-29-2008 02:35 AM

One Step Closer
 
I got my new belt today now! I'm a 7th grade (Gup) green belt. One step closer to my MMA carreer!

Amnell 06-29-2008 08:12 AM

I got knocked the f**k out today in sparring o_o . It was the first time that's happened to me, so definitely a learning experience.

My partner was about twice my size and age, I think, and wasn't exactly sticking to "medium-contact" rulesets when he put a roundhouse into my left temple...

I'm not mad at the guy 'cause I know that shit happens (and I'm kinda glad it did, really), but...

I'm fine, though. Got back on my feet in about thirty seconds, after I was sure I could get up without falling over, had a headache the rest of the day, but no ear-ringing or anything, so it's all good. Now I know what a full force kick to the head feels like.

*Mind you, this was WITH pads on the feet and the head. It was *awesome*!

godwine 06-29-2008 12:40 PM

huh? Amnell's profile say "male"????

Getting kick and punch is a good learning experience :)

Asakura 06-29-2008 05:14 PM

For my belt Test I had to fight 6 6 minute rounds. I had to go from someone my belt to my Sensei at the end. Dude.....Sensei has those for real friggan' hits. My bells where ringing at the end. But fighting him is the best thing ever. I mean he's a hard opponent but I learn something every time I step in the ring with him.

It was awsome though, I was fighting him and he came around with a Spinning Back Kick and I saw him set it up and I managed to hit him with a spinning back fist at the same time. It was cool we both had to stop for like 10 seconds to recover:D

Amnell 06-29-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 524726)
'He' ??? They let females spar with men at your gym? That is a bit harsh.

I have been KO'd in sparring before. It is cool.

Tenchu, we've been over the subject of my gender many times, now. Stop confusing people. I'll do that on my own, thank you :D .

But sometimes they do have men spar against women. In fact, that is part of the black belt test for women. My school teaches self-defense--quite strictly--so a large part of the women's curriculum is learning how to: fight off a guy who ambushed her while she was putting groceries into the trunk of her car, fight off multiple guys who've attacked her in bed at night, even fight of a guy who is literally ripping her clothes off (they wear spandex underneath so that they don't get exposed for this part of the test).

Men don't learn all that girly stuff, though. We guys learn how to survive an altercation where one unruly guy starts a fight with you and suddenly three of his buddies show up to kick your ass, or the more common instance of confronting someone (on foot) who has road rage.

I just learned that the head instructor actually DOES have a name for his system (he's the inventor). He calls it Won Yuen Fa, which the website says translates to "way of blending the extremes". I have yet to translate it for myself and verify because I don't know that much about non-Japanese words--though I tried to, using Wakan :P . Think of the system as a blend between System 5 Combat Karate, some system used by police that is derived from Aiki-jujutsu, and Kenpo Karate, with some influences from Brazilian Jujutsu and a couple of Chinese systems thrown in for flavour.

Actually, my head still kinda hurts... One hell of a kick, eh?

Amnell 06-30-2008 05:31 AM

Don't knock it 'til you try it :P .

It's more or less true that your average ass-hole assailant isn't a full time Muay Thai practitioner who can knock these women out in one or two punches, so having any training at all is an advantage over having no training, compared to both another victim and the attackers themselves.

As my instructors are keen to point out, though: no amount of training will guarantee one's safety. It only betters your odds.

Natsume 06-30-2008 12:58 PM

I had no Idea you where married Tenchu, me too:D

While I don't agree with that sexist statement, I do think women need to pack a little more heat than men. Even I carry a 700 volt Tazer and I'm a professional Martial Artist.

godwine 06-30-2008 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 525422)
Professional means you can or once did substanciate a living and career from the skill at hand.

I dont know everything about you but I would say you are an 'experienced' martial artist, not professional. Sorrys.

Anyway, women dont have no testosterone, which means not only their muscles can not grow like mens without this chemical, but they are also poorer quality. Also, they lack anger, which is a large part of fighting. I.e. speed and aggression. This is just fact, and the fact men are on average at least 2/3 the size of women is also fact, and not worth arguing. Also, the shape of the hips of women has been kept from physical superiority because they must remain the inferior shape in order to give birth. We are the only animals that give birth to young that have unfully formed skulls, this is because although evolution has tried to make women as best as possible, even by deforming their young, it ultimatly has trouble adapting to a 2 legged species. Women are not built as well as men for athleticness.

There is also a mental issue with the different thought patterns of men above women that happen to be more martially minded, yet that is a fine line and not true in enough cases to be ruled as fact, so I will let that be.

Yet do you honestly think you are not at a disadvantage?

Like I said, it is only extreme cases of full time training that can allow women to take down multiple targets in a swift and professional manner same like men can with only half the training.

On the up side, women are more intuitive, which is also a benefit of a good fighter.

Tenchu, you know, as much as I disagree with some (or most) of the things you said, I guess I do need to take back some of the thing I said about you before, mostly from this particular post, there are are many things that I do agree to. I guess you are just more aggressive and competitive in nature, especially when it comes to MA

I strongly agree to what you said about the difference between "experience professional".

CrazyLee 06-30-2008 02:15 PM

He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy...

Sorry, but you walked into that one ;)

godwine 06-30-2008 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 525457)
I believe all people will come to the realization that I am number 1 with given time. That is all it takes; time.

Stay around this forum long enough and you shall witness the birth of a God!

No joking.

Sigh, I don't know what to say :P


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