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Kenpachi11 04-07-2008 10:03 PM

Welding jobs?
 
Okay in japan do they have any welding jobs?
Because im going to go to college to become a welder and im wondering if they have any welding jobs over there?

P.S- if you have any smart remarks or go look it up on the internet then dont post!!!

ShintoCanadianmale 04-07-2008 10:43 PM

have you called the japanese embassy?

Hatredcopter 04-08-2008 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenpachi11 (Post 452653)
Okay in japan do they have any welding jobs?
Because im going to go to college to become a welder and im wondering if they have any welding jobs over there?

P.S- if you have any smart remarks or go look it up on the internet then dont post!!!

I'm sure there's people that weld in Japan, but you won't be able to get such a job. Foreigners have to get a job that qualifies for a working visa... something like welding would not qualify.

EDIT: let me revise my post... you're going to college for welding? Didn't even know people did that... either way, if you fall into some sort of engineering degree that INVOLVES welding, that's different. But no, you can't get a regular welding job otherwise.

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ShintoCanadianmale (Post 452678)
have you called the japanese embassy?

Do they speak english?
I know japanese but not enough to call somebody and ask them questions like that.

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 06:23 PM

Yes, people have to go to college to get their welding degree or whatever its called. but im in 10th grade and i have already had 2 welding class. And at my school you can become a certified welder if you take enough classes.

godwine 04-08-2008 07:32 PM

A certification or diploma in welding/metal work will not get you a job in Japan. The Japanese government only issue work VISA to a handful of profession, and all of them need a University degree of some sort.

My recommendation is to get a degree in general education or some kind of art degree and look for an english teaching job there....

ShintoCanadianmale 04-08-2008 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenpachi11 (Post 453394)
Do they speak english?
I know japanese but not enough to call somebody and ask them questions like that.

the japanese embassy in the U.S have people that speak english

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 07:47 PM

Well even tho im american i dont speak english all to well.

godwine 04-08-2008 08:15 PM

I hate to burst your bubble, but with those criteria, you might as well just give up on this.. hope.....

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 08:18 PM

well hate to tell you this but im not going to give up. nothing is impossible.

MMM 04-08-2008 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenpachi11 (Post 453583)
well hate to tell you this but im not going to give up. nothing is impossible.

You've never dealt with the Japanese government officer before, have you?

Hatredcopter 04-08-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenpachi11 (Post 453583)
well hate to tell you this but im not going to give up. nothing is impossible.

Not impossible if you're thinking of breaking immigration laws - which I don't think I'd recommend. Otherwise, it is legally impossible.

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 09:07 PM

No i havent dealt with them. and it is true that nothing is impossible!

MMM 04-08-2008 09:11 PM

Just so you know, Japanese immigration officials are not widely known for bending the rules or making exceptions.

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 09:12 PM

ok but would they hire an american that has a degree in animation?

ShintoCanadianmale 04-08-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenpachi11 (Post 453545)
Well even tho im american i dont speak english all to well.

so what is your first language?

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 09:15 PM

my first language is english but im not good in it and im 16. i get made fun of by the way i say certain words like half, class, grass, gas and laughing.

MMM 04-08-2008 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenpachi11 (Post 453652)
ok but would they hire an american that has a degree in animation?

To get a work visa in Japan you need to have a sponsor. A sponsor has to be authorized by the government to "host" foreign workers. The sponsor and the sponsee have to prove to the government that the person being sponsored has unique and special skills that a native Japanese does not have. This can be, for example, a professional baseball player, a university professor, but 99.9% of the time it is a foreign language instructor, as native English speakers would be expected to be able to know and teach English better than a native Japanese.

So for welder, if you established yourself as the best welder in the world, and were able to weld in ways people in Japan couldn't, and could find a company that would hire you, then your dreams of welding in Japan could be possible.

Same with animator. If you establish yourself as a reknowned animator, with unique skills worth displacing a Japanese animator for, then yes, it is possible.

Kenpachi11 04-08-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 453659)
To get a work visa in Japan you need to have a sponsor. A sponsor has to be authorized by the government to "host" foreign workers. The sponsor and the sponsee have to prove to the government that the person being sponsored has unique and special skills that a native Japanese does not have. This can be, for example, a professional baseball player, a university professor, but 99.9% of the time it is a foreign language instructor, as native English speakers would be expected to be able to know and teach English better than a native Japanese.

So for welder, if you established yourself as the best welder in the world, and were able to weld in ways people in Japan couldn't, and could find a company that would hire you, then your dreams of welding in Japan could be possible.

Same with animator. If you establish yourself as a reknowned animator, with unique skills worth displacing a Japanese animator for, then yes, it is possible.

Well i caught myself on fire before while welding at school. does that count?

godwine 04-08-2008 10:59 PM

I am starting to sense that you are putting out a lot of facts that is not in your favor.

MMM is right, The Japanese consider themselves a superior crowd, in a way, not trying to be racist, I do agree they are superior in many aspect. That said, they do want really top notch people when they issue them a work visa.

Your best bet, is to stay in school, do well, get a university degree of some sort and either teach english there or become a subject matter expert in specific area.

Consider my case: I am a SR QA consultant with a master degree in science, while my soon to be wife is a process engineer with a master degree in engineering, I am JLPT level 2 certified. I have an uncle in Japan who has been pulling strings for me.... YET, nobody want to sponsor us for anything... forget about sponsoring, we don't even get a call for an interview or give us a chance to "sell" ourselves. I cannot find a teaching job because they think that anyone with a Chinese background is not good enough to teach English (not that I want to anyways)

Hatredcopter 04-08-2008 11:56 PM

I'd just like to point out (again) that there is no clause within Japanese immigration that states you have to possess skills that a Japanese person does not. It used to be this way, way back when the immigration control laws were put in place during the 1950s. The laws have been amended several times in the past (as recently as 2000), and there are no restrictions that say you must 'outclass' any Japanese person at your job. I've met a Canadian truck driver in Japan who has worked there for many years (longer than any Working Holiday visa would grant him). I've met IT administrators, bankers, and so forth. All these people had varying degrees of skill in Japanese, and I can't see how any of them were any more skilled than their Japanese coworkers.

It's generally true that you need to have better skills than a Japanese person to work in a certain field, as most companies would not otherwise go through the hassle of hiring a foreign person. But it's nothing you have to "prove" to the government.

MMM 04-09-2008 12:02 AM

Thank you for the clarification, Hatredcopter.

A lot has to do with the economy, too. When times are good, you'll get more foreigners being invited in. When they aren't (like now) you will likely see less.

MexDude 04-09-2008 12:07 AM

Join the marines and cry to them to send you to okinawa. Maybe you won't have to cry to them since is the biggest base in the world that the marines have so there is a pretty big chance depending on the job you choose to get deployed there, and once there go get married and work your way in. Of course that is if you really really want to go to japan to me that sounds like the easiest way maybe not the most practical but easiest with a small exception boot camp lol gl

godwine 04-09-2008 12:35 PM

Please see here: MOFA: A Guide to Japanese Visas - Visa Applications

It is true that "skilled labor" is on the list... but as pointed out by others, you need to find someone who is willing to sponsor you first, or as suggested, join the army and asked to be relocated to okinawa

Kanji_The_Wanderer 04-09-2008 02:49 PM

Now these sponsors that everyone is talking about, are Japanese citizens that notice your talents? That is very unlikely unless you have been there before and have made friends with these types of people.

It makes a lot of sense to me why Japan is so cautious of who enter. The country is so small, and it is overly populated. They don't want random people coming in, unless they can greatly contribute to their society.

I like the fact how Japan is more interested in its own people then the US are interested in theirs. In the US all the outsiders and immigrants get more benefits then someone in the country already. The US should start doing things like Japan.

Hatredcopter 04-09-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanji_The_Wanderer (Post 454323)
Now these sponsors that everyone is talking about, are Japanese citizens that notice your talents?

The sponsor is simply the company that is hiring you to work for them. Or, in the case of a student visa, the school/university.

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Originally Posted by Kanji_The_Wanderer (Post 454323)

It makes a lot of sense to me why Japan is so cautious of who enter. The country is so small, and it is overly populated.

Japan is currently having a problem keeping their population UP, not down. The birth rate in Japan is dreadfully low, and in the past few years the government has been scrambling to come up with a solution. Bringing in more foreigners has been brought up many times, but any plans for that usually goes nowhere. I suspect many Japanese politicians only see that as a last resort.

godwine 04-09-2008 10:52 PM

Well, you do have to remember that they have a strong history of "closing the doors to the foreigners", many of them, and really, i don't see anything wrong with that, thinks that they believe in pure blood.

I mean, how would you feel if your country's survival has to rely on the population of immigrants?

Keaton421 09-26-2008 12:11 AM

Go to college. Take an exchange trip. Take the time to make contacts, in the welding industry or not. A japanese company likely won't hire a random kid, even if he's a plucky young lad with a "nothing is impossible!" attitude.

A) Shrink down to the size of an ant, or lift 6 times your body weight
B) "Get good at welding", then waltz through the border into a Japanese job

Do both, and you'll prove to me that "nothing is impossible."

And for a 10th grade American who can't speak Japanese and allegedly is poor at English - plenty of things are impossible.

Ask yourself, "Do I really think I can get a job in Japan just because I'm a welder?" If you answer yes, it's time to do some research and soul-searching. I should be rich because I'm handsome and funny, but the world doesn't work that way :D

Marine Corps Enlisted Job Descriptions -- 6043 -- Aircraft Welder + Okinawan post = Win

Protip: Last I checked, you don't go to college to become a welder. I have never heard of a welding college. Normally you take welding classes outside of school, at the end they give you a test, and companies will hire the best of the lot. American companies.

StangGuy 09-26-2008 01:04 AM

I would like to add a comment about welding and certain other skills in Japan. Unless you have a Japanese license to weld, drive a fork lift or crane, you are not allowed to do those actions in an industrial environment. My company ran into this last year when we were doing an installation of some tools for a Japanese company. Because we didn't have the time or language ability to take the required classes and tests we were unable use the cranes or forklifts. They looked the other way when we were welding but that was because there was no way for them to provide the quick and dirty welding that is typical on a tooling or machine install.

For all of those saying there is no such thing as a "welding" degree. Sure there are no bachelor's degrees in welding but many community and technical colleges offer associate's degrees in welding. However, they usually don't mean much other than you are thoroughly prepared to take the variety of different certification tests.

Saffy85 09-26-2008 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MexDude (Post 453806)
Join the marines and cry to them to send you to okinawa. Maybe you won't have to cry to them since is the biggest base in the world that the marines have so there is a pretty big chance depending on the job you choose to get deployed there, and once there go get married and work your way in. Of course that is if you really really want to go to japan to me that sounds like the easiest way maybe not the most practical but easiest with a small exception boot camp lol gl

What you been smoking dude? You want to get this kid killed? He signs up for the marines first place they ship him off too is Iraq or Afghanistan, if he lives through that then maybe he gets a second tour in the other region or repeat tour in the same hell hole. If he ever does make it past those tours he will be shipped straight to Iran if they ever get invaded by the US. So either way he is assured death at somepoint in your plan.

Anyway your still young so just apply for a working holiday visa. Then try and get into a construction firm while over there and take it from that. If your desperate to live there then find a nice girl while on the visa and marry her (if your ultra ultra desperate, find a older woman who is deperate to have children, give her what she wants in exchange for marriage, all depends on your moralls though).

Like you say almost nothing is impossible, it just means you have to spend more time, money and effort on it than anyone else is willing to.
Good luck to ya kid.

Keaton421 09-26-2008 07:52 AM

You obviously don't understand how the military works.

Japan, Korea, and Germany are non-combat posts.
Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. are deployments.

You can go to Japan or Hawaii as easily as you can be based in Gary, Indiana


"Assured death at some point?" Words of a coward. Ever heard of a "veteran"? You're more likely to be killed on a late night pizza delivery than you are covered in armor, bristling with firepower, in a team of highly tactical men, physically and emotionally trained to watch your back, whatever the cost. And there are plenty of non-combat jobs.

The fallacy you have of the military shipping you off as often as possible is pretty funny as well.

Let's see, your suggestion vs. mine. Knock up a desperate woman in exchange for a marriage visa, or take the steps needed to protect your country, so that your ill-informed countrymen can joke and trash talk you behind your back. :D

Sangetsu 09-26-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Keaton421 (Post 594452)
You obviously don't understand how the military works.

Japan, Korea, and Germany are non-combat posts.
Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. are deployments.

You can go to Japan or Hawaii as easily as you can be based in Gary, Indiana


"Assured death at some point?" Words of a coward. Ever heard of a "veteran"? You're more likely to be killed on a late night pizza delivery than you are covered in armor, bristling with firepower, in a team of highly tactical men, physically and emotionally trained to watch your back, whatever the cost. And there are plenty of non-combat jobs.

The fallacy you have of the military shipping you off as often as possible is pretty funny as well.

Let's see, your suggestion vs. mine. Knock up a desperate woman in exchange for a marriage visa, or take the steps needed to protect your country, so that your ill-informed countrymen can joke and trash talk you behind your back. :D

How much do you know about how the military works? I served for several years myself.

Your odds of ever walking around "covered in armor, bristling with firepower..." are not that high. 9 out of 10 jobs in the military are non-combative. Most of the men watching your back may be "tactical", others may be only a step or two removed from "mentally challenged". The military sees all types, but that is one of it's best points.

Most "soldiers" only handle a rifle once each 6 months when they have to qualify with it. The rest of the time they work 9 to 5 jobs like anyone else, the only obvious difference is the fact that they have to wear uniforms.

Keaton421 09-26-2008 06:27 PM

Welp, you, me, and the other guy are talking about different things. Seeing as how he said "death is a certainty" if you join the military, I went with a combat deployment with a combat job scenario.

Saffy85 09-26-2008 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Keaton421 (Post 594452)
You obviously don't understand how the military works.

Japan, Korea, and Germany are non-combat posts.
Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. are deployments.

You can go to Japan or Hawaii as easily as you can be based in Gary, Indiana


"Assured death at some point?" Words of a coward. Ever heard of a "veteran"? You're more likely to be killed on a late night pizza delivery than you are covered in armor, bristling with firepower, in a team of highly tactical men, physically and emotionally trained to watch your back, whatever the cost. And there are plenty of non-combat jobs.

The fallacy you have of the military shipping you off as often as possible is pretty funny as well.

Let's see, your suggestion vs. mine. Knock up a desperate woman in exchange for a marriage visa, or take the steps needed to protect your country, so that your ill-informed countrymen can joke and trash talk you behind your back. :D

Well true I know little about how your military works so I am probly wrong about the majority of what I said. But still he has a much higher chance of death in the army than pizza delivery like you suggested.

Also considering your recruitment rates have hit record lows since Iraq and Afghansitan (not to mention the thousands of deserters sitting pretty in Ireland lol) he is more likely to be deployed to a combat zone over a nice cush position in one of your global military bases.
Oh and finally, no matter how much armour or backup you have, in guerilla warfare (like Iraq and Afghanistan have turned into) there is no assurances you will survive a roadside bomb or ambush (something troops face on a daily basis, also Russian anti armour weapons that have ate a shit load of your abrams tanks). So like I said he is almost assured death or injury at some point unless he takes a non combat role like chef etc. Then he can sit it out in the green zone nice and safe.

Anyway back on topic now that my lil rant is over lol. A working visa will let him live and experiance the country for one year and he can decide from there if he wishes to live there for the rest of his life. Plus Okinawa is not the real Japan, it is too westernised to make it more welcomeing for the troops stationed there. Plus he does not have to marry anyone, it was a easy suggestion he can use if he ever feels the desperate need to stay there for the rest of his life.

vulgarshudder 09-27-2008 01:27 PM

I think this kid enlisting and getting sent to Iraq would be a good thing! We need more human bodysh...defenders of democracy!! :ywave:

Saffy85 09-27-2008 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vulgarshudder (Post 595095)
I think this kid enlisting and getting sent to Iraq would be a good thing! We need more human bodysh...defenders of democracy!! :ywave:

You just do not want him comeing to Japan and stealing your sexy women, since your women associate tall western men with a bigger penis (compared to the average Japanese that is) lol.

MMM 09-27-2008 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Saffy85 (Post 595143)
You just do not want him comeing to Japan and stealing your sexy women, since your women associate tall western men with a bigger penis (compared to the average Japanese that is) lol.

Why do I feel like I am in an elementary school bathroom?

Please, act like an adult, Saffy.

Saffy85 09-28-2008 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 595230)
Why do I feel like I am in an elementary school bathroom?

Please, act like an adult, Saffy.

Umm why do I feel your trying to start something over a joke? :P

vulgarshudder 09-28-2008 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Saffy85 (Post 595143)
You just do not want him comeing to Japan and stealing your sexy women, since your women associate tall western men with a bigger penis (compared to the average Japanese that is) lol.

My women?

Where to start lol.

MMM 09-28-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Saffy85 (Post 595623)
Umm why do I feel your trying to start something over a joke? :P

I am not trying to start something. I am trying to end something. Please.


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