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sabrina 07-24-2007 11:13 AM

Discrimination In Japan?
 
What sort of people do the Japanese discriminate against?:confused: :p

zenit 07-24-2007 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sabrina (Post 187679)
What sort of people do the Japanese discriminate against?:confused: :p

???? They dont... like anyother country there are a few people who discriminate race or gender or whatever, japanese i think are really open minded and seem to like other cultures.
:D

Yggdrazzil 07-24-2007 11:22 AM

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sabrina 07-24-2007 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Yggdrazzil (Post 187684)
I wonder, why do you ask? Are you afraid of being treated racistically during a holiday in Japan or something?

Not at all...it's actually because I know a lot of Japanese who seem to get along with all sorts, which I think is a good thing. I don't know much about the Japanese so I'm just a little curious...

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On a side note: This kind of discussion has been up in the past as well. It usually leads to arguments and bickering ..its a rather heated subject. Maybe you should just check search engines like Google for some references.

ps: I requested this thread be closed
Why are you getting all defensive? This is a "Japan Forum" isn't it? All Japan-related info should be available in here...why direct me to Google search, when I meant nothing by the question...it's you're kind of responses that will cause "arguments & bickering" you're just downright rude.:mtongue:

BTW, thanks a lot for your reply Zenit.:) Really appreciate it...I think the Japanese I've met so far are really cool.:vsign:

Yggdrazzil 07-24-2007 11:58 AM

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Hisuwashi 07-24-2007 12:15 PM

Many (particulary of the older generation) don't approve of Western ways, and there is discrimination against Koreans and Chinese. Before WW2, Japanese schools used to teach their pupils that Japan was created by the gods; how they as a nation were divine and supreme; and how Chinese were lesser than pigs.

Some of the older generation still believe this is fact - This was an education system nurtured and cherished for years, stripped by the Americans and torn it down without a thought. The Americans decided to make Japanese schools like their own. They believe many fine things were taken from their schools, and that the proper qualities were lost.

sabrina 07-24-2007 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yggdrazzil (Post 187706)
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Its a moderated board. Certain topics arent allowed, check the rules and see for yourself. (Im not stating that this topic is not allowed, merely that not ALL j-information is allowed on this forum, so im sorry but your "freedom of speech" is a no go.

3) when I meant nothing by the question
If you dont mean anything by it, why ask about it? :D

Not meaning anything by it means that I was sincere & genuine about the question, i.e. I did not have any hidden/concealed intentions. What's up with your attitude?

I understand you want to help move this forum forward...so why are you so hostile towards the newbies? Everyone starts as a newbie...how do you expect us to want to stay [and help the forum progress] when we're being exposed to "regulars" such as yourself? I can only imagine how many potentially useful members you scared away...:mtongue:

sabrina 07-24-2007 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hisuwashi (Post 187720)
Many (particulary of the older generation) don't approve of Western ways, and there is discrimination against Koreans and Chinese. Before WW2, Japanese schools used to teach their pupils that Japan was created by the gods; how they as a nation were divine and supreme; and how Chinese were lesser than pigs.

Some of the older generation still believe this is fact - This was an education system nurtured and cherished for years, stripped by the Americans and torn it down without a thought. The Americans decided to make Japanese schools like their own. They believe many fine things were taken from their schools, and that the proper qualities were lost.

Interesting!:vsign: I've actually watched a Sino-Japanese documentary. I think there's still so much about Japan that the rest of the world don't know about...

What about the discrimination amongst the Japanese themselves?

Thanks a lot for replying, BTW!:vsign:

Yggdrazzil 07-24-2007 01:26 PM

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rickschmauss 07-24-2007 01:51 PM

Discrimination??
 
If you've been in Japan awhile, you'll figure it out.

I don't think it's a topic of discussion here. Many folks don't stay in Japan long enough to know how the social system works and how the average foriegner stands. Don't give it a lot of thought. Just enjoy your stay here.

Marrying into a traditional Japanese family is plenty to think about. Not to boast about it, but my family has camped on the same turf for 1200 years. As a newcomer to the clan, well........... sometimes it's tough to be accepted, even after 10 years of marriage, 3 kids and fluent Japanese. This doesn't necessarily apply to foreigners. A Japanese takes a bashing too.

Stay here awhile, and I'll be happy to compare notes and share insight. You new folks........... Just enjoy. I still do.

Rick

rickschmauss 07-24-2007 01:58 PM

Discrimination??
 
If you've been in Japan awhile, you'll figure it out.

I don't think it's a topic of discussion here. Many folks don't stay in Japan long enough to know how the social system works and how the average foriegner stands. Don't give it a lot of thought. Just enjoy your stay here.

Marrying into a traditional Japanese family is plenty to think about. Not to boast about it, but my family has camped on the same turf for 1200 years. As a newcomer to the clan, well........... sometimes it's tough to be accepted, even after 10 years of marriage, 3 kids and fluent Japanese. This doesn't necessarily apply to foreigners. A Japanese takes a bashing too.

Stay here awhile, and I'll be happy to compare notes and share insight. You new folks........... Just enjoy. I still do.

Rick

kireikoori 07-24-2007 03:51 PM

In every nationality exists a nationalist.

Acidreptile 07-24-2007 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kireikoori (Post 187869)
In every nationality exists a nationalist.

Exactly.Very well said.

MMM 07-24-2007 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rickschmauss (Post 187757)
If you've been in Japan awhile, you'll figure it out.

I don't think it's a topic of discussion here. Many folks don't stay in Japan long enough to know how the social system works and how the average foriegner stands. Don't give it a lot of thought. Just enjoy your stay here.

Marrying into a traditional Japanese family is plenty to think about. Not to boast about it, but my family has camped on the same turf for 1200 years. As a newcomer to the clan, well........... sometimes it's tough to be accepted, even after 10 years of marriage, 3 kids and fluent Japanese. This doesn't necessarily apply to foreigners. A Japanese takes a bashing too.

Stay here awhile, and I'll be happy to compare notes and share insight. You new folks........... Just enjoy. I still do.

Rick

I agree. For some reason this topic keeps getting new threads. It's way too complex an issue to answer in a forum format like this.

Imagine "Who do Americans discriminate against?" and try and answer that fairly in three sentences or less.

The tone of the questions implies that the Japanese are racist, and I don't think THAT is a fair foundation for the question.

sabrina 07-25-2007 03:23 AM

Nah, lol I didn't mean to point fingers.:D you guys should just chill. Insulting the topic & topic started is not constructive at all...if you don't like the topic, don't reply. So far so good with this thread...you're the ones being disruptive!

invader1 07-25-2007 03:25 AM

in my experience, they discriminate against americans, possibly because they are mad about ww2

Nyororin 07-25-2007 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by invader1 (Post 188343)
in my experience, they discriminate against americans, possibly because they are mad about ww2

Are you sure that you live in Japan? Because Americans seem to be the *least* discriminated against in all of my experiences...

Unless, of course, you live right by a base. And then the reasons for discrimination have a lot less to do with any WWII issues than they do with drunken brawls and general misbehavior.

Hatredcopter 07-25-2007 05:33 AM

After looking at that guy's useless and childish posts, I doubt it. He could be a military guy, but otherwise he didn't move there on his own accord.

Probably just wants attention.

sindri59 07-25-2007 06:50 AM

Where I live , which is pretty up north, kids always look up at me and give me funny looks and say "gaijin da" and stuff like that but real "discrimination" is very rare at least from what I've seen and heard.

Jsleazoid 07-25-2007 08:09 AM

Ah. It seems I've seen this topic many times lol.
People in Japan have flaws and qualities just like everyone else.
I'm sure some of them have racist view points,
but that doesn't mean the whole country has them.
You'll be fine.
It's just like anywhere else.
>.<;;;

And to the topic starter, no one is being disruptive you're just being really defensive for no reason.

^.^

-J

jasonbvr 07-26-2007 01:04 AM

I'm a gaijin. And honestly the longer I live here, the less I like my fellow gaijin. I feel no need to give an explanation. Anyone who is a foreigner and living or has lived in Japan will certainly understand where I am coming from. Some are just plain weird.

MMM 07-26-2007 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sabrina (Post 188338)
Nah, lol I didn't mean to point fingers.:D you guys should just chill. Insulting the topic & topic started is not constructive at all...if you don't like the topic, don't reply. So far so good with this thread...you're the ones being disruptive!

Sabrina, saying that asking the question "Who do Japanese discriminate against?" implies that the Japanese are automatically racist isn't "insulting", it is a statement of fact. If I were japanese I would be insulted by that. Maybe I am disrupting the thread, but it is threads like these that, I think, disrupt Japan Forums.

MMM 07-26-2007 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by invader1 (Post 188343)
in my experience, they discriminate against americans, possibly because they are mad about ww2

As many Japanese are pissed at Americans about WWII as there are Americans that are pissed at Japanese about WWII.

Nyororin 07-26-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonbvr (Post 189280)
I'm a gaijin. And honestly the longer I live here, the less I like my fellow gaijin. I feel no need to give an explanation. Anyone who is a foreigner and living or has lived in Japan will certainly understand where I am coming from. Some are just plain weird.

*golf clap*

sabrina 07-26-2007 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jsleazoid (Post 188516)

And to the topic starter, no one is being disruptive you're just being really defensive for no reason.

^.^

-J[/b]

Nah, I'm not being defensive (I have no reason to be)...just curious, that's all.:) Thanks for you reply btw.:vsign:

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Originally Posted by jasonbvr (Post 189280)
I'm a gaijin. And honestly the longer I live here, the less I like my fellow gaijin. I feel no need to give an explanation. Anyone who is a foreigner and living or has lived in Japan will certainly understand where I am coming from. Some are just plain weird.

What's "gaijin"?

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 189288)
Sabrina, saying that asking the question "Who do Japanese discriminate against?" implies that the Japanese are automatically racist isn't "insulting", it is a statement of fact. If I were japanese I would be insulted by that. Maybe I am disrupting the thread, but it is threads like these that, I think, disrupt Japan Forums.

Everyone discriminates in one way or another. What you're trying to say is that there's no discrimination in Japan - and even if I've never been to Japan, I'm well aware of the fact that there's discrimination all over the world (and Japan is no exception). My question does not imply that Japanese are racists...you have a serious perception problem. My question was a general one. Discrimination happens WITHIN a single race or nationality as well. Discrimination is not entirely synonymous with the word "racism".

In fact, there are all forms of discrimination incl. gender, sexuality, wealth, social status, etc.

Instead of flaming, you guys should try being informative without straying away from the question. If you can't or don't want to answer the question, you're better off moving on to another topic (i.e. try to be "useful" somewhere else).

Yggdrazzil 07-26-2007 09:42 AM

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sabrina 07-26-2007 09:49 AM

LOL...and you guys don't find yourself disrupting this thread?:rolleyes:

Yggdrazzil 07-26-2007 09:51 AM

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sabrina 07-26-2007 09:55 AM

Ok, well it's been a few days now, I wouldn't mind having this topic closed but the Mods in here don't seem to care much about this topic. So let's just make the best out of it.

Yggdrazzil 07-26-2007 10:06 AM

You know what ? I think you're right. Im not usefull in this thread at all. Ill remove my posts. Sorry for being a prick. (ps: I think gajin means foreigner..so there, I even helped out!)


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