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NatsuNatsu 12-06-2007 08:43 PM

Please help me!
 
Okay, I'm entering in a contest for Shojo Beat...Draw your fav Shojo Beat manga character in their wintery "duds"....

Well, I made this pic...but should I use it?! Would you please give me some ideas, too? I'd really appreciate it ><

I REALLY need you guys help ><

I'm entering a contest in Shojo Beat....So, should I enter it with this piece or maybe another? I was thinking maybe I should just color Haha-chan...to make it seem like she's the thing that lights up a winter day...Or not XD Please tell me your thoughts...I need help!



Also, here is another one I am working on for another Shojo Beat Contest...This one involves me in the clothes I wish I could wear all the time. This is a WIP...The upper body...Please tell me if I need to add any features, etc...And yup...that's me XD


Picture2Perfect 12-06-2007 10:48 PM

They are AWESOME :D:D
You can draw good.

Kudos!!
Hope you win

Will.

NatsuNatsu 12-06-2007 10:50 PM

lol Thank you!

I need some crits...got any?

madilscoops 12-06-2007 11:02 PM

omg i love both of them ^_^
but my favorite is the bottom one :P

NatsuNatsu 12-06-2007 11:04 PM

I was actually gonna submit the bottom one to the fav chara in winter duds...but I thought it looked more fashiony >< It was supposed to be Nobara...But I think she kinda looks like me XD

Okies....Do you think the 1st one would make it?

MarkDuff 12-06-2007 11:21 PM

that is damn good I think you win... :D:D:D:D:D

Oni 12-07-2007 12:07 AM

Thats Good! Its better than what I can draw :p

NickVelvet 12-07-2007 01:43 AM

Both look great. At first I liked the 2nd one best, but the more I looked at the first one the more I began to liked it more.

At first I felt the back ground was a bit buzy, but the key focus in this one is her eyes, they do a great job of bringing you in. The only thing I would have liked to seen is have her maybe a step or two up, You dont want her perfectly centered but just so the upper part isnt too "heavy". Her feet are right at the edge, or that could have just been cut off accidentaly when putting it on here. Id like to see a little bit more definition with the part of her coat laying on the steps. Maybe a little thicker trim around the edges. I think it blends too much with the steps with your shading where it drapes. There a bit too horizontal. Think about something when it drapes down, it isnt always perfect lines.

Youve done a really great job on the shading, not too dark giving it a softer feel which fits perfectly.

The second one is great as well. I like how you have lead in with the hand and your eye follows the image all the way out to the scarf. In doing that you've created some nice positve/negative shapes.

Moodaddy 12-07-2007 04:52 AM

i always love your artwork (fan of your mangas too XD) though im not much of a critic i would like to help if i can so here goes.

pic 1) i pretty much agree with the previous statement. the eyes are the big focus and seem to jump out at you (i saw them before i noticed eveything else) and myabe you should put her a bit off center, it makes the pic stand out a bit more ^^

pic 2) i just don't see anyway to improve it, its just awsome as it is ^^

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 05:00 PM

Oh wow...Thank you guys!

the only problem is...I can't move her ;-; Since I drew the bg in with her...I'd have to erase the whole thing ><

BUT! I will most def make her dress droop down more on the steps!

THANK YOU ALL AGAIN! I will be posting more contest art to be crited later Z^^

zeldalover 12-07-2007 05:27 PM

I like the second one!

NanteNa 12-07-2007 05:31 PM

I prefer the first one.

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 05:40 PM

Crits plz? ;-;

Kanji_The_Wanderer 12-07-2007 06:28 PM

As an artist myself those two are great pieces of art work. They are both great in there own way.

The first photo doesn't have the same proportions as the second one, the second one shows the human body better, and the placement of the body parts looks more human, if you know what I mean.

The first one focuses more on detail, a lot of people prefer high levels of detail over a simple very well drawn piece.

So I's say it is up to you, if you want to focus more on detail and backgrounds, go with the first one, if you want a more straight-forward "in your face" photo, go with #2. Personally, I'd go with the second one, I'd add color, and a dark grayish/blue sky with snow fall sparkling about. Maybe even an old tree off in the distance.

Done correctly, they both have the same potential. It all depends on you.

Good Luck!!! :vsign: ;)

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 06:36 PM

O_O

That was a great suggestion! I will add a tree and snow flakes!

I wonder if I can add the same pic for both contests >:3

Kanji_The_Wanderer 12-07-2007 06:44 PM

Hehe I'm glad I could help, drawing for 15yrs. has it's perks ^__^

It wouldn't hurt to ask if you can submit both of them, I think you should find out!

MarkDuff 12-07-2007 06:47 PM

hmm.................I like them both better than what I can draw...but I have drawn some good ones.

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 06:47 PM

O_O

Wow! 15 yrs1 only 4 yrs here ._.

I think I shall!

MarkDuff 12-07-2007 06:47 PM

a little more than 6 years for my self......

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 06:49 PM

You should see my OLD stuff! It's pretty much terrile ^^;

MarkDuff 12-07-2007 06:51 PM

Same here but I do have some good ones some were I just need to find them.

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 06:57 PM

well, I'd like to see them sometime ^^

NickVelvet 12-07-2007 07:15 PM

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Lets see I started drawing when I was 5 or 6, so ive been drawing off and on for.....I dare not say. Actually I ended up going on to study photograhy, so thats my gig.

I like Kanji's idea for the tree, but as he said it must be done right. You dont want it too busy to distract from the main subject, but you want just enough to in a sense give it some framing. I am more of the straight fowrad "in your face" type when it comes to photographs. I am still likeing your first one though.

Since im a photog I will use one as an example. This was actually taken by one of my daughters friends, who I have been helping out. She has used the trees/bushes on the side to help fill in the negative space, yet it doesnt distract from the main subject. It creates a nice framing that keeps the eye from wandering off. The lens flare on the upper right would alot of times be a no-no, but in this case it works well to give the upper corner a bit of framing. Experiment with different things to find what you like best. The nice thing about art is that its subjective. No two people look at it the same way.

Good look and hope to see some more of your work.

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 07:17 PM

Hmmm...maybe she (I) should be leaning against a tree?

Any suggestions for the placement?

NatsuNatsu 12-07-2007 09:58 PM

Okies, here is the full bdy...BG suggestions plz? Grass? Tree and snow?



Moodaddy 12-08-2007 04:54 AM

how bout snow, trees, and maybe something like a small bird or animal in or around the tree?

on a side note, did you do something for the beat girl ccontest?

Kanji_The_Wanderer 12-08-2007 03:14 PM

Hmm....It may be just me, but the placement of the leg sticking out looks awkward. The advice NickVelvet gave was great! You definitely need to put in snow falling, you can create a solemn sky with grays and dark blues...

If you do put a tree, make it sort of far away so the main focus is your character there. (Who I really like) ^_-

Keep at it! You got this!

Slykaz1 12-08-2007 03:37 PM

Pic #1 : Is she holding something? Her hand seems to be holding something in the air......That pic seemed to me to be a peaceful quiet winter's day.

Pic #2 : Sweet pic.....Is the hat really supposed to be over the ears? For some reason after I saw the full body pic seems to scream out I want I knitted beany hat ^_^ Since I noticed that the scarf in the back of the chic is flying about might I suggest light wind. If you put in a tree make sure it's in movement with your scarf ^_^........scarf is too high up to be a stride walk. Maybe swaying her hair to make it look in conjuction with the scarf.....Otherwise wow. 20 thumbs up for your pics ^_^

Kyousuke 12-08-2007 04:17 PM

i like the top one. but maybe use a little more detail in the background. i like how you drew the stairs the chick is sitting on. you should put the same effort in the area behind her. I like the second one. that one looks good.

Zer0 12-08-2007 04:22 PM

They look good is it from folloy cooley or whatever its called

Shiningmonkey 12-09-2007 05:55 PM

They're both sweet but I like the 2nd one more. I also agree with Kanji. The leg looks kinda awkward. Maybe bend it a little?? Overall, those are great :)

NickVelvet 12-10-2007 07:14 PM

I too am not too fond of the leg. It does look a bit unatural. Maybe if both legs were showing. Not seeing the other leg makes you wonder whats going on. Why is he walking like that? When doing a full length image you really need to show the full length. Again using another photo analogy, you rarely see images cropped around the calf. It creates an uncomfortable tension. Its either full length to the ground or 3/4 view. In looking at it for while I would probably have cropped it just above the left wrist.

I like the snow idea and some trees off in the backgroud. Kanji's idea of the sky is perfect. A nice gradation from dark to light will give it a nice framing which will keep the eyes from wandering off the page.

Your doing a great job. Cant wait to see more.

NatsuNatsu 12-10-2007 08:43 PM

Okay...thank you all SO MUCH for commenting! ...but I gad to do without the bg in the #2 pic. Sowwy >< The reason the leg is out like that is bc I wanted you whoever was looking at it to see what the pant leg looks like bc you can't see it XDDDD

Alwas, I DID enter in the Beat Girlk contest, but did not even place ;-; No wander...I've improved so much! Plus, all I have are colored pencils...most ppl color with PS or Copics...

OKAY! I decided to skratch the first contest pic and make a new one of my new and improved Beat Girl (this one's for you Moodaddy!) I like this one a ton better ^^



Here is the colored pic for #2 ^^ Hope you all still love me ;-;



By the way, I'm just licking my thumb on my tongue XD

And I'm a girl -_-

zeldalover 12-10-2007 08:52 PM

wow!! I really like this one!! I wish i could draw that well....

that will be a sure win if u entered this! though you might consider some coloring... but be careful, I dont like to color my art, cause if i color them, I hate them and start over again...

NatsuNatsu 12-10-2007 08:55 PM

lol, I plan on cloring the top one...I just wanted some crits first ^^

Thank you btw!

NickVelvet 12-11-2007 01:47 AM

WOW the first one is great. Great composition and balance. I love that one the way it is.

Now that you have colored the other one its a little more appealing. Gives it a little more life. I do like the way you cropped it on the left. Just those changes makes a big difference. Glad you didnt listen to me or anyone about the backgroud. I like that you stick to your vision since it really is yours. Now that I see where you were going with it, it makes sense. I kind of like the colored pencils with that one. Gives it some texture.

Im going to have to see if I can find those Copic markers. I think I recall seeing them at the art supply place I go.

Like I mentioned before, that the great thing about art. I may see a work in progress and think "what are they striving for" One of my photography teachers in college and I used to butt heads. I used to go against "the rules" and he would ask "why the hell did you do that" Couldnt stand that guy. He was also quite the chavenist. Just rememberin order to break the rules you still have to learn them first.

Keep up the good work.

NatsuNatsu 12-11-2007 08:58 PM

Thank you so much for the help again NV ^^ I greatly look forward to seeing your comments!

So the top one looks okay? So far I have colored the girl and the birds...all I need to do is color the bg and I will post the colored version!

NickVelvet 12-12-2007 03:39 AM

Cant wait to see the colored version. I really like the placement of the birds and especially the snowflakes. Some would just place them randomly without thought. You will get to a point if your havent gotten there yet, where you will just place items like that without thinking, but the artistic mind will take over. There is also a nice feeling of movement.

Great job.

NatsuNatsu 12-12-2007 08:33 PM

Thank you NV! Your wish is my command!

Here she is, new and improved, colored and done...She was supposed to be in the sky...but when I showed my mom, she got a little confused and thought she was on the ground. She gave me some bad advice and told me to darken in the top with gray...Once I did it...I feel I ruined it...But Imma submit it this way anyway ;-;

Does she look like she's in the sky?




I'm trying to improve on the way I color ><

Moodaddy 12-12-2007 08:49 PM

Moodaddy Approved
*rubber stamp thump*
hehehe

actually i love this one. the panda necklace is awsome, and it looks better somehow because she's not wearing it ( i guess her wearing it would have made it look a bit mundane ^^) oddly enough i didn't think of her being in the sky though. it looks to me like shes running across golden waves (which is kinda kewl because it makes em seem like the waves are frozen) i love the colors and the birds make a great addition ^^


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