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grnarowana 02-26-2010 08:26 AM

You're such a CHEATER!!!
 
My girlfriend is Japanese and she tells me Japanese people, specially male cheat. If not, have other women on the side while they're abroad.

But I think EVERYONE CHEATS! But she tells me Japanese men cheat more so.

True? False? Some truth to this?

MMM 02-26-2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by grnarowana (Post 801922)
My girlfriend is Japanese and she tells me Japanese people, specially male cheat. If not, have other women on the side while they're abroad.

But I think EVERYONE CHEATS! But she tells me Japanese men cheat more so.

True? False? Some truth to this?

You are an American (like me) so I think we need to take a cultural perspective.

I don't think the question is "Do Japanese me cheat more?" but "In what country is cheating considered more despicable?" and the answer to that would be America. Compared to much of Europe, Asia, South America and other areas, infidelity is much more of a crime in the US than it is in other parts of the world.

Do you really think "everyone cheats"?

grnarowana 02-26-2010 08:46 AM

I think everyone cheats to a certain extent: emotionally, physically, sexually, etc.

Everyone thinks with something other than their head.

Ever heard of the quote: "Think with your Dick, not with your head"?

It was a highschool phrase all the guys used...LOLs

MMM 02-26-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by grnarowana (Post 801928)
I think everyone cheats to a certain extent: emotionally, physically, sexually, etc.

Everyone thinks with something other than their head.

Ever heard of the quote: "Think with your Dick, not with your head"?

It was a highschool phrase all the guys used...LOLs

High school is not adulthood. Only a tiny percentage of high school relationships become successful marriages.

But I guess it what you define as cheating. Is looking at another woman and finding her attractive cheating?

What is the difference between "physically" and "sexually"?

If I have an emotional relationship with another person besides my mate, am I cheating?

Blitzwing85 03-24-2010 03:24 PM

It could never be proved either way. At the end of the day i don't believe cultural differences affect whether someone is capable of cheating.

I think it's more just modern culture the world over in which relationships mean less than they used to. Therefore more people play around.


And of course different people view cheating differently. My ex used to get mad at me anytime i looked in the direction of another girl.
However, my current partner who i've settled down with doesn't mind that at all and even discusses girls with me on occasion. And they even come up during fantasies we share etc.

kayesmith 04-04-2010 07:01 PM

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Whoooaa! I hate cheaters. They don't consider their partner's feelings when they cheat.

PockyMePink 04-04-2010 07:13 PM

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But I think EVERYONE CHEATS
I don't cheat.

robcardiv 04-17-2010 09:35 AM

cheating is for idiots who don't know what they want.
not everyone cheats.

WeeFugu 04-17-2010 09:29 PM

Just a tad stereotypical is it not?

<.<

JasonTakeshi 04-17-2010 11:03 PM

I dont think they cheat much in the middle east.

I mean, they cut your d*ck if they find out.

So yeah, culture affects the individual and therefore society.

hadron 04-18-2010 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by grnarowana (Post 801922)
My girlfriend is Japanese and she tells me Japanese people, specially male cheat. If not, have other women on the side while they're abroad.

But I think EVERYONE CHEATS! But she tells me Japanese men cheat more so.

True? False? Some truth to this?

hm :) your question makes me bring some other thoughts

1. Do you realise that the talk like this is even with those fishy magazines (like The Sun) where you got articles like "Ricky Martin submitted he is gay", "80 year woman in Chile has 37 teeth" etc. Simply essential news to know, something you wouldn't make it till other day without :D

2. How did your girlfriend came to this opinion? Based on what? Did she read the magazine ;) or some kind of government studies of habitat?

3. How does your girlfriend know how much men do cheat abroad? seriously, how much has she been studying this topic :P

4. Do you think your girlfriend told you this so you don't get so surprised when it is revealed she is cheating on you? Is that what makes you scarred? :P or are you actually asking whether she was telling you, that you don't cheat on her enough? haha

5. I really wonder what would be your general conclusion if the answer to that question is "yes, japanese male do cheat more than any other being in the world" :). Are you gonna cheat more so you become japanese like man? ;)

sorry i could not stop being funny as the topic is quite jovial and really i am probably going to do a suicide if japanese do more cheating than i do :D :vsign:

WeeFugu 04-18-2010 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hadron (Post 808827)
sorry i could not stop being funny as the topic is quite jovial and really i am probably going to do a suicide if japanese do more cheating than i do :D :vsign:

How is cheating jovial? <.<

So you cheat on your partner all the time then do you?

Oh you are the 'man'?

*sigh*

hadron 04-18-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WeeFugu (Post 808876)
How is cheating jovial? <.<

So you cheat on your partner all the time then do you?

Oh you are the 'man'?

*sigh*

my point was that thinking about who is cheating more or less is jovial. cheating is cheating. doesn't matter who you are.

i don't cheat. saying "if japanese do more cheating than i do" was to express low interest in others affairs, as i don't consider it as my business. if i have a wife who cheat on me then i might accept it at certain circumstances or realise the fact she was not the right one for me, and i should have understand our relation and her personality much better before i married her. but i cannot blame someone for his/her sexual appetite. i believe you can identify person by watching their attitudes to some life situations, and so maybe suggest that the person is more likely or unlikely to cheat.

WeeFugu 04-18-2010 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hadron (Post 808889)
my point was that thinking about who is cheating more or less is jovial. cheating is cheating. either you do cheat or you don't. doesn't matter who you are.

i don't cheat. saying "if japanese do more cheating than i do" was to express low interest in others affairs, as i don't consider it as my business. if i have a wife who cheat on me then i might accept it at certain circumstances or realise the fact she was not the right one for me, and i should have understand our relation and her personality much better before i married her. but i cannot blame someone for his/her sexual appetite. i believe you can identify person by watching their attitudes to some life situations, and so maybe suggest that the person is more likely or unlikely to cheat.

I have no idea what you mean, so I will just say... OK! :ywave:

hadron 04-18-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WeeFugu (Post 808890)
I have no idea what you mean, so I will just say... OK! :ywave:

oh yeah :) i changed the context, and one sentence slipped through inappropriately ;) sorry

TJkills 06-11-2010 10:14 AM

blah blah blah -___-
 
you were born to do something then thats what your gonna do......theres people who cheat and people who don't........unless since the day you were born you were destined not to cheat....then one day you will.....so don't single out the japanese man because of popular belief......im dominican....and the latino's stereotype for dominican men is that were the biggest cheaters of the latino race.....iv'e cheated.....but not on all girls iv'e dated....3 exactly......but so is my brother and he's never cheated on a girl in his life:cool:

Tyrien 06-16-2010 03:41 PM

Without some region specific study claims like this are nothing more than limited personal experience being passed off as conclusive evidence.

Everyone cheats. I'm not saying that every person will always eventually cheat in a relationship. I'm saying that there is no specific group of people that do or don't. That can't be said conclusively.

There's also two important things to consider!

The first is that "cheating" is a term contextual to each specific relationship. Something defined between partners.

The second, and more important of the two, is that human beings are nor naturally monogamous. Very few animals in nature are. When looking at the timeline of human history monogamy has only been around for a very short time in comparison. The actual time periods vary among regions.

nobora 06-16-2010 06:15 PM

I dont think this applies to a certain race , I'm sure many people have cheated and I'm sure they have a reason for it but cheating always hurts the other person.

Maiirym 06-16-2010 09:18 PM

I have to say that for my personal experience, my partner has already cheated on me. He couldn't explain why and said he was just being inconscious or just stupid. Well when I said that I was leaving him, he suddenly changed so much and now I know and believe him that he dosen't do that anymore, even his friends don't recognize him. It's hard to explain, but I guess people can be attracted to others, until they find out the real person they want to be with for the rest of their life. So I can say, yes everyone can be attracted to others, but there's a difference between love and attraction. I don't think it applies to a race or whatever, I think it's just... human in general

steven 06-17-2010 12:50 AM

"Without some region specific study claims like this are nothing more than limited personal experience being passed off as conclusive evidence. "

That is how all this stuff should be looked at. I agree with that very much... I also think you'd be hard pressed to find statistics on this stuff as I feel like most poeple would be reluctant to say they've cheated, even if it was anonymous.

It also depends on what you call cheating, as people have pointed out.

Here are some statistics that I found:
Young Japanese views on marriage, children and divorce: part 2 of 3 | 世論 What Japan Thinks
Check out the data at the bottom of the page. It is interesting to note that infidelity, according to this survey, is not the biggest thing a divorce would be considered by.

Secrets to be kept from your Japanese girlfriend | 世論 What Japan Thinks
Take a look at this one-- how about the "I'm still in contact with my ex" and "I've been asked out and gone drinking with a man/woman".

That is just Japanese data, but it's interesing to note that cheating does seem to play a role in a large percent of Japanese peoples' lives-- at least the people surveyed.

This is just my perception of the situation, but I think cheating is in fact quite common in Japan. It doesn't always seem to have the same repercussions as it does in America, either. I have heard of some people getting divorced or separated as a result, though. However, I've even heard quite a few married men casually talking about their cheating with other women, or their relationships with what I guess are basically call girls. Again, from my experience, Japanese men seem to like going out to "snacks" where they get to drink with `sexy` women, often times scantily clad. I suspect most of the time it is just companionship, but in America a lot of what goes on at those places would be considered cheating, I'd think. When you have these girls' phone numbers in your cell phone and you get mail and calls from them regularly, there is a relationship there, and sexual or not I'd count it as like light-cheating. There is certainly a lot of "full flavored" cheating going on too, though... although I suspect most of it is "light".

Most of this is about older people, in their 30's and beyond. Most of the extreme cases I've heard of are in or above their 40's though. Again, it's all just what I've heard about and a little of what I've seen.

caisaki 06-17-2010 09:51 AM

Cheating is something that everyone does in the mind. You may not be going out with others but in your mind you are with that other person, and in the end it really does hurt somebody.

Unknown 07-06-2010 08:33 PM

I definitely had to post in this thread.Just wanted to let "you" know I'am still being faithful sticking to the promise I made even though were friends

ayumiyuu 07-06-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrien (Post 816081)

The second, and more important of the two, is that human beings are nor naturally monogamous.





THAT'S THE POINT!! .......I think....

KylieHJensen 08-12-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 801926)
America. Compared to much of Europe, Asia, South America and other areas, infidelity is much more of a crime in the US than it is in other parts of the world.
Do you really think "everyone cheats"?

While infidelity is perceived as more of a crime in the U.S. than most other nations is quite true, let us not forget the fact that the act of adultery in general are view the same. Infidelity causes emotional harm and at time can be financially as well.

If a nation accepts infidelity more so than another, it becomes a cultural thing but yet take away the pain and suffering by the inflicted person. It merely becomes an overshadows of a general population and perceived it as more tolerable. If the question of "Japanese men do cheat more" is indeed true. Does that make Japanese women tolerate adultery better than American women? Do Japanese women in general accepted adultery better than people of other nations? We then open a whole new topic of "cultural acceptance to certain matter." and can debate forever on it.

Do I think Japanese men cheat more? No. I tend to think Japan advertise sex more so than other nations. It is even in the comic books, commercials, and etc., When sex is advertised in almost every category, you will constantly be reminded and makes one want it more often and becomes more open about it. However, that does not make the nation more sexual than others, rather just more open.

Akihiko 08-13-2010 12:47 AM

I despise cheaters. I have had bad experiences with them. It is NEVER acceptable to cheat, because they / you aren't considering of your feelings.

MMM 08-13-2010 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KylieHJensen (Post 823774)
While infidelity is perceived as more of a crime in the U.S. than most other nations is quite true, let us not forget the fact that the act of adultery in general are view the same. Infidelity causes emotional harm and at time can be financially as well.

If a nation accepts infidelity more so than another, it becomes a cultural thing but yet take away the pain and suffering by the inflicted person. It merely becomes an overshadows of a general population and perceived it as more tolerable. If the question of "Japanese men do cheat more" is indeed true. Does that make Japanese women tolerate adultery better than American women? Do Japanese women in general accepted adultery better than people of other nations? We then open a whole new topic of "cultural acceptance to certain matter." and can debate forever on it.

Do I think Japanese men cheat more? No. I tend to think Japan advertise sex more so than other nations. It is even in the comic books, commercials, and etc., When sex is advertised in almost every category, you will constantly be reminded and makes one want it more often and becomes more open about it. However, that does not make the nation more sexual than others, rather just more open.

If a culture accepts infidelity more than another, then yes, the pain and suffering caused is taken away. Just as if a culture accepts homosexuality, then it takes away pain and suffering if a person's son or daughter comes out of the closet.

I think the general Japanese attitude about adultery is due to Japan's cultural attitudes, and is completely unaffected by other nations. Do I think Japanese men cheat more than Americans? No, I agree with you. I just think it isn't as big a deal over there.

Sheemy 08-13-2010 01:47 AM

I really dunno about japanese men or women being cheaters ... but i do know in general that people nowadays find excuses for cheating .. consider a married couple for example ... if the husband were working too hard to earn money to feed his wife and children and has no time to spend with them, then she could simply use the money or even house to cheat him as he has no time for her!!
they give themselves excuses to cheat which is totally wrong ...

Eiri02 08-28-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 801929)
High school is not adulthood. Only a tiny percentage of high school relationships become successful marriages.

But I guess it what you define as cheating. Is looking at another woman and finding her attractive cheating?

What is the difference between "physically" and "sexually"?

If I have an emotional relationship with another person besides my mate, am I cheating?


Yes if that emotional relationship is henderin your relationship with your mate!

evanny 08-28-2010 08:15 PM

im sorry but thats just funny when like one out of three people here say that it is so horrible to cheat because the person that does it does not consider otherones feelings...OMG... yea, you think? - show me someone who did consider? "hmmm...if i sleep with him/her will my partner be hurt?...i guess yes...well atleast i have considered it - now lets make love, sweet love because since ive considered it it should be fine"

im not saying that cheating is ok. but lets be honest - there is a point for everyone were if the oportunity is presented they would cheat. even for the most faithful - there will allways be the possibility that someone more charming/handsome will come a long and youll just do it.

P.S i cant belive it..i allways thought that americans more or less take the cake when it comes to the cheating...well probably it is the media to blame..

Eiri02 08-28-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by evanny (Post 826325)
im sorry but thats just funny when like one out of three people here say that it is so horrible to cheat because the person that does it does not consider otherones feelings...OMG... yea, you think? - show me someone who did consider? "hmmm...if i sleep with him/her will my partner be hurt?...i guess yes...well atleast i have considered it - now lets make love, sweet love because since ive considered it it should be fine"

im not saying that cheating is ok. but lets be honest - there is a point for everyone were if the oportunity is presented they would cheat. even for the most faithful - there will allways be the possibility that someone more charming/handsome will come a long and youll just do it.

P.S i cant belive it..i allways thought that americans more or less take the cake when it comes to the cheating...well probably it is the media to blame..



If you really feel that way I'd hate to be the person you call lover...and yes we do take the cake in cheating but then again this is the most sinful place on earth what the hell do you expect!!!!?!?!??!? some of us however have a different way of looking at things. All I was saying is in the end there is no justification for it...what's wrong is wrong and that's just that:cool:

cranks 08-28-2010 09:07 PM

Not many people never ever cheat under any circumstances. But a lot of them usually don't. And there are some who cheat all the time. I think this is true to both American(I don't have non-Americal westerner friends) and Japanese. As for the specific numbers, I have no idea...


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