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07-15-2008, 07:44 PM

Are you just getting up or going to bed? If you work, it's 4:45 in the morning in Japan now...
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07-15-2008, 07:44 PM

oh okay then. sorry.
and yes i know..about you working..i was just wondering what you were talking about because you said something else about work or whatever in the post, but now i know what you were talking about.
but overall i dont think that you did too much wrong, but you took the chance of getting sick. you never know when you will, werent so lucky i guess, thats all.
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07-15-2008, 07:51 PM

Oh nah i just havent been able to sleep in this apartment lol, cause its cheap im next to a train station, school, under a flight path and near a hospital...so theres constantly something waking me up so i just pass out when i pass out. its 4:55 lol i just watched one missed call the japanese version...its not really that scary XD
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07-15-2008, 08:52 PM

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Henbaka If you read my complete post i said i took a year off University to travel, wtf?
and why is it strange to work even if you goto university, pretty much all my friends who goto uni work and my cousin took a year off to travel around europe and hes now working as an event manager in the UK? dude you seriously got an attitude problem aye....
Err, what are you on about? I think the attitude problem is on your part, judging from your posts.

I read your whole post. And I understood youre in Uni. but currently in Japan working. I merely said so.

You need to chill


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07-15-2008, 09:15 PM

yeh sorry dude im just really stressed out at the moment with lack of sleep and trying to find a job and staying alive. I must have misunderstood, i thought u thought it was weird for me to be doing that anyways im gunna try and get some sleep i have to wake up soon to meet some1 from this forum actually...
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07-15-2008, 10:32 PM

I'm assuming tommasi meant ¥3000, not $3000.
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07-15-2008, 10:41 PM

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Look's like i'll be having to go back to my home country...i wish i could have stayed longer aswell, But unfortunatly i got sick and had to goto a japanese hospital and because i was there for a few days i now owe them hundreds of dollars because in japan even if you have insurance you still have to pay 30% of medical bill's and thats pretty much all my budget gone so i have no money saved up for rent next month let alone food for the next week hopefully i get a better job within the next 2 days (which i doubt).

What sucks the most is i quit my job in australia and used most of my savings to get over here so even if i go back home i'll still be as fucked as i am now. And unfortunatly i don't come from a family that has much money so they can't help me out hell...i don't even know where im going to live...maybe if all my firends hadn't moved to either brissi or WA i might have a place to stay but no everything bad always has to happen at once it can't just happen at a time i can deal with it.

Alwell the overall experience i guess is what i came here for, still can't speak the language fluently and didn't manage to find a decent job but i did have a lot of fun experiences and met a lot of people. Didn't get to travel around japan at all but meh i guess i learnt my lesson lol...even hard work and persistance can't change some things.
Sorry things didn't work out for you dude.

Hope things work out for you and you can go back to Japan

You're right that hard work and persistence can't change some things but there are many ways to get to Japan (for Aussies and Kiwi's anyway) so try not to feel too down about it.
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07-16-2008, 12:33 AM

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Japanese national insurance is still 100 times better than what we have in the US. I pay a couple hundred dollars a month, and then dread getting sick, as they only cover certain illnesses and conditions.

Except that in the US you can get quality care 24/7. There are still stories in Japan of people dying because the hospital or emergency room they were taken to is either full or closed (Japanese law limits the amount of services each hospital may provide per day, week, month, and year).

In America, all hospitals and emergency rooms are required by law to help you, whether you have insurance or not, even if the service cost tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I've never been impressed with the quality of Japanese doctors. You can go to three different doctors and get three different opinions about the same problem. My GF had a mouth infection that no doctor in Japan seemed to be able to diagnose, luckily a friend of hers at work knew a British doctor who was in town for a convention, he diagnosed her problem without even having to do any clinical tests.

People from Canada, England, Korea, and Japan often travel to America for treatment to illnesses to avoid long waits for treatment in their own countries. Free health care is rationed health care, and one must often live with a painful condition for several months (often as long as a year) before a doctor or hospital can find a spot for your treatment appointment.

When you travel overseas, you should purchase your airline ticket with a good, travel type/airline credit card. I always use an American Express Platinum card to pay for my tickets. I'm completely covered for any medical problems which occur during my trip, which includes medivac if necessary (a medivac from some places can cost as much as $50,000).

If you did purchase your trip with a credit card, look at your card member agreement, or call the number on the back of the card and ask if you are covered for medical treatment required during travel.
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07-16-2008, 01:54 AM

I`m going to try not to step too deeply into the US/Japan healthcare debate - I`ve done it COUNTLESS times before on here, and am tiring of it, but can`t resist.

You can get care 24/7 in Japan - no problems, no people "dying in waiting rooms" - though I hear about that pretty often from the US. No, wait, in the US it`s "Dying while you wait for your insurance to approve your surgery, which takes years for them to do."

Yes, in the US you can get care at any time, taking priority over everyone else regardless of their needs if you have the cash. If you don`t, and your job doesn`t provide top notch insurance (most don`t), you`d almost might as well give up. No one in my family in the US has ever gone to the hospital without encountering insurance issues. My grandmother passed away in the hospital, and the insurance refused to pay for any of her care because *gasp* the condition she died from had to do with having worked in a factory during WWII. It was a "previously existing condition" despite no one knowing about it until 50 years after the fact, including more than 30 paying into the insurance. Not to mention the hospital tried to add on every additional treatment in the book to get more money (Speech therapy? Water therapy? Intensive exercise program? My grandmother was unconscious, and never left the bed.)

If you take a dive into the frightening world of premature birth, I cannot even tell you how many stories I`ve heard of parents having to sell their homes to pay for their baby`s medical care. Even great insurance companies cut you off after a certain monetary amount it reached - if your baby is on 24/7 intensive care, using expensive equipment and expensive drugs - what do you know, you hit that limit in the first few weeks of your baby`s 6 month hospital stay. The rest is cycled around to collection agencies, and you`re chased for the rest of your life as the average family simply cannot ever afford millions in medical bills.

On the other hand, in Japan, it`s all covered. In my little town, medical care for children is 100% free up until 12. There is no "limit". You start to see the big differences when you REALLY need the care and really need the insurance. Otherwise, it`s whining about waiting a few hours for an appointment because someone who REALLY needed the care is given priority, not the guy whose insurance is known to pay well, or the guy who flashes the cash. (By the way, I`ve never waited at all for anything serious. Colds, fevers, etc - yes. My son`s hernia becoming inflamed - something that could be quite serious? We were ushered in to see a doctor within 5 minutes.)
My son has a huge array of medical issues, and I have seen pretty much the most extreme levels of medical care... And compared to all the stories I have heard (both negative and positive) about children in similar situations in the US...... I would choose Japanese hospital care over them without the slightest doubt.

Almost all of the necessary medical trips (in contrast to vacation/resort medical trips - which have little to do with the conditions and more with the flaunting cash aspect of it) to the US from Japan are made for one reason - to receive transplants from children. Japan bans organ donation from children under the age of consent. Parents can`t consent for the children, and the children can`t consent for themselves...
This has very little to do with waits for care - as long as it`s illegal, there is nothing that can be done. (A number of groups are working on this though.)

Would a healthcare system like in Japan work in the US - I VERY seriously doubt it. Things are too different, and there are too many people who would look for a way to abuse the system.

As for the quality of doctors in Japan - I talked about this in another thread, but I was *finally* diagnosed properly here. The US doctors couldn`t agree on anything, and tried to make money by pushing drug after drug after drug, and various treatments even when they didn`t have a clue what was wrong. I certainly would not put my son`s life in the hands of a US doctor - I`ve seen WAY too many screw ups over there.


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07-16-2008, 01:59 AM

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Lol and tommasi if i had that much i wouldn't be surviving on bread, tuna, instant ramen and cheese.
Back to the real topic...

Why are you buying such expensive stuff?
For quantity and calorie value, everything but bread on there ends up being very costly. Cheese and tuna are NOT cheap foods in Japan. Neither is instant ramen. Cheapy bread (the 100 yen half loaf things) is alright, I suppose, but still. You`re making me doubt you`re really in Japan now, especially added to your online times.

If I tried to live on those foods, I would run out of money pretty quickly too.


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