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03-24-2008, 05:50 PM

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Trying to fight ideals that Play Boy creates, with its umpteen stereotypes and fads, by doing a similar thing is like dousing a tap with a cloth in the hopes that it'll stop leaking. Eventually the water keeps dripping.
If websites such as suicide girls exist, it might be to make a statement and it might even be considered art but what exactly are they doing in the long run?
The majority of People will still see "naked chicks" and in the end they will either get over the fad or just carry on viewing such material, which in turn with the millions who are addicted to porn, won't change a damn thing. Therefore nothing changes, it just remains the same in a different form. You'll just have a sort of different mind set created IF such ideas inspired by said websites actually take of. If they don't then Play Boy will always exist anyway.
If you want to stop an incessant leak, you turn it off at the source.
Saying that porn or whatever is an art form, doesn't change the fact that women are treated as objects in the West, more than anywhere else.
You just think you're not. Porn, in whatever shape or form is just another means to make y'all into mindless cattle who have no other care cept their own looks. It ultimately caters to the needs of horneyness.

ps. Wtf? Addiction is good? You think looking for your next fix of whatever and striving in pursuit of it like a blind idiot is somehow productive?
Well wow and lawl and tee hee.
It doesn't matter what their doing in the long run I see it as something deeper. Like I said, you don't have to agree. Society is not corrupted or broken because of porn, porn in the least amount of our worries. What about humans killing humans? Starvation, lack of cleansed water, over populated areas. We need to fix THOSE leaks before we worry about what people are doing/watching behind closed doors. Being horny is a natural feeling and as long as it's not turning into rape then I don't see anything wrong with feeding your desire when your lonely. But, once again you don't have to agree.

Women here are given many rights they could not be cattle, if they wanted to. We're not oppressed or " pushed down" their just dumb enough to follow society's influence. In the long run we can be whoever we want. There are countries our there that tell women what to wear or they die. Where men have the right to pull you off the street and rape you and it's not the West.

I wasn't talking about bad addiction. Like drugs,internet,video games. I meant good things, like seeing your family or eating carrots. Things that you really can't get enough of.


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OK. STOP.

I love art.
I love porn.
I love you two.

EVERYONE IS HAPPY?
Thunda calm down << I don't know about Ivon but I'm perfectly content and happy right now regardless of this conversation which isn't even arguing to me o.o



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03-24-2008, 06:45 PM

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Saying that porn or whatever is an art form, doesn't change the fact that women are treated as objects in the West, more than anywhere else.

o_O Its about time a man said that...everytime I say to someone "women are treated as objects" I get called a feminist.
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03-24-2008, 06:52 PM

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It doesn't matter what their doing in the long run I see it as something deeper. Like I said, you don't have to agree. Society is not corrupted or broken because of porn, porn in the least amount of our worries. What about humans killing humans? Starvation, lack of cleansed water, over populated areas. We need to fix THOSE leaks before we worry about what people are doing/watching behind closed doors. Being horny is a natural feeling and as long as it's not turning into rape then I don't see anything wrong with feeding your desire when your lonely. But, once again you don't have to agree.

Women here are given many rights they could not be cattle, if they wanted to. We're not oppressed or " pushed down" their just dumb enough to follow society's influence. In the long run we can be whoever we want. There are countries our there that tell women what to wear or they die. Where men have the right to pull you off the street and rape you and it's not the West.

I wasn't talking about bad addiction. Like drugs,internet,video games. I meant good things, like seeing your family or eating carrots. Things that you really can't get enough of.
Well to be honest with you, an addiction for anything can be bad. There should be a certain balance with everything. Even so, I understand what you're trying to say there.
As for porn being the least of our worries, you're right, there's much more shit out there to worry about. The fact is though that when you can't control yourself and you are indeed addicted to porn, then you're in trouble and you don't even know it.
People might watch it when they're lonely or whatever but then it turns into something they need to do all the time. There is a severe lack of will power these days.
I also think porn is one way to keep people blind to what goes on around them. I mean not even porn but everything to do with over selling using sex or saturating a persons senses with sexual content, designed to get them aroused and stop thinking with their heads. Stuff like this can stop a person achieving their potential.
Also, since when do people when they're addicted to something, give a crap enough anything else around them? Those homeless, starving and destitute people are on their own because we are so caught up in our own luxuries.
Luxuries we don't need to survive and which snatch resources away from people who need them.

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o_O Its about time a man said that...everytime I say to someone "women are treated as objects" I get called a feminist.
Well Feminists are annoying to me but I stand by what I said. The fact is Feminism doesn't need to exist as EveV seems to acknowledge, since there are worse problems out there.
I think females do have a better go at life than they ever have but when women accept that it is fine to overly show your skin in public and keeping updated with certain fashions is a priority, you have become a slave to the Play Boys of this world already.


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03-24-2008, 07:09 PM

quite simple- they like sea-food, and, there are a great deal of things that can be accomplished with tenticals.


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03-24-2008, 08:11 PM

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Well to be honest with you, an addiction for anything can be bad. There should be a certain balance with everything. Even so, I understand what you're trying to say there.
As for porn being the least of our worries, you're right, there's much more shit out there to worry about. The fact is though that when you can't control yourself and you are indeed addicted to porn, then you're in trouble and you don't even know it.
People might watch it when they're lonely or whatever but then it turns into something they need to do all the time. There is a severe lack of will power these days.
I also think porn is one way to keep people blind to what goes on around them. I mean not even porn but everything to do with over selling using sex or saturating a persons senses with sexual content, designed to get them aroused and stop thinking with their heads. Stuff like this can stop a person achieving their potential.
Also, since when do people when they're addicted to something, give a crap enough anything else around them? Those homeless, starving and destitute people are on their own because we are so caught up in our own luxuries.
Luxuries we don't need to survive and which snatch resources away from people who need them.
You're right bad addiction can really effect ( affect? I need too pay attention in english class more x.x ) you. I mean I look at myself, I'm trying to gain weight so I can be healthier but I have a terrible sweet tooth. Which you think would help but it doesn't because when I'm trying to work out my muscles I'm having a candy crash. Sugar just drains me and although I'd have progress it's not exactly what I wanted to be at in this point in time.

It does seem like most modern places these days are being very grabby with their resources. The amount of luxury you have is determined by the society in which you live. We have ipods and big screen t.vs while to someone in a more poor society would call a new outfit for school a luxury. People just don't all run on the same line which is weird because we do all need the same things. But that's just the human race for you. Naturally selfish and I doubt we'll ever change but their are people who do try to make change and those are just the golden eggs of society.



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03-24-2008, 08:26 PM

To answer this unusually perverse question;

Male organs and phalluses are prohibited from being shown on television in Japan - ergo the only way to get round the ban is to create a substitute that infers the similarities of said phallus.

i.e. It's a makeshift cock and seeing as Monsters play some part in demonic gang rape - tentacles are a pretty natural substitution for phalluses.

A question posed to me by a good friend that still has me confused is this.

'Was Urotsukidoji a porn film first and a horror film second or vice versa'

I'm no closer to finding out the answer to this question after 10 years.


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03-24-2008, 08:32 PM

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'Was Urotsukidoji a porn film first and a horror film second or vice versa'

I'm no closer to finding out the answer to this question after 10 years.
I see it more as horror. I can't reallt imagine many people getting off on something like that...but that's just me...
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03-24-2008, 08:49 PM

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I see it more as horror. I can't reallt imagine many people getting off on something like that...but that's just me...
You know, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but I actually know people who beat off to anime porn - I'm all for varied opinion on this - and it does count


But yeah... some people REALLY do like it THAT much


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04-06-2008, 03:36 PM

Okay, eww! But, either way, tentacle is just so nasty. But yeah, it's prolly because they don't allow "things" to go in on Japanese T.V, but I've never seen it in any other kind of T.V, either.


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04-06-2008, 03:46 PM

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o_O Its about time a man said that...everytime I say to someone "women are treated as objects" I get called a feminist.
Me too but I don't care about that

Porn is so pointless, cheap and nasty.


And eww have you seen 5 year olds walking around in playboy tshirts etc? WTF is with that? Why is a pornographic brand being aimed at 5 year olds?!
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