To all you who DL anime and manga for free

[SaintKat]

Been away for a while, Aion NA/EU is in beta so still enjoying testing that.

Just a note to say I made a post a while ago about wanting to pay for a subscription to read manga online and nobody answered it. Would be helpful if someone could respond to that now.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by Skuu

It's legally stealing. Someone else's licensed product which they don't want you to have without paying and you get it without paying. This is stealing.

In just practical terms, I agree it's not quite stealing. If you look at it on the individual level you can say 'well I'm either gonna d/l it or not get it at all' but that averages over a lot of people to theft because a lot of people would have had to buy it otherwise.

No that is not stealing. I'm not stealing something of their property, I'm making a copy of it. I wouldn't buy the anime, so there is no damage I can do. Download or no download, they would get no profit from me.

[Skuu]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

No that is not stealing. I'm not stealing something of their property, I'm making a copy of it. I wouldn't buy the anime, so there is no damage I can do. Download or no download, they would get no profit from me.

I responded to both of those points in the text that you quoted.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by Skuu

I responded to both of those points in the text that you quoted.

But you said it's stealing, and then wrote how it's stealing to some people and how it isn't to some.

"but that averages over a lot of people to theft because a lot of people would have had to buy it otherwise."

And then you wrote that, which I find really stupid to call someone a thief because he gets an illegal copy, compared to you who buy it. It's not stealing even using this viewpoint.

It's only copyright infringement. Not stealing.

[Skuu]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

But you said it's stealing, and then wrote how it's stealing to some people and how it isn't to some.

"but that averages over a lot of people to theft because a lot of people would have had to buy it otherwise."

And then you wrote that, which I find really stupid to call someone a thief because he gets an illegal copy, compared to you who buy it. It's not stealing even using this viewpoint.

It's only copyright infringement. Not stealing.

I said technically it's breaking the law however you view it, which in this case is considered stealing, which is also theft. I don't consider that person 'a thief', but that's different from the technicality of it.

I'm not sure how exactly the law's worded in this regard so I can't really argue technically.

We just have different values on whether the action is wrong in practice or not. Nothing left to debate really.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by Skuu

I said technically it's breaking the law however you view it, which in this case is considered stealing, which is also theft. I don't consider that person 'a thief', but that's different from the technicality of it.

I'm not sure how exactly the law's worded in this regard so I can't really argue technically.

We just have different values on whether the action is wrong in practice or not. Nothing left to debate really.

Considering stealing while it's not stealing is a bad habit.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

I don't want to be of annoyance, but I've repeated this countless tiems. You can't steal in the internetz by downloading. You get a copy of it, nobody else loses the anime or manga.

IRL, if I steal, somebody loses it. It's not the same.

I know you keep saying this, and I have explained each time how wrong you are.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by SaintKat

Been away for a while, Aion NA/EU is in beta so still enjoying testing that.

Just a note to say I made a post a while ago about wanting to pay for a subscription to read manga online and nobody answered it. Would be helpful if someone could respond to that now.

I think this will happen eventually, and I know of at least one pay Yaoi site...but so far not a lot.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

I know you keep saying this, and I have explained each time how wrong you are.

The problem is your explanation is wrong, and I've explained why it is, too.

[alanX]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

The problem is your explanation is wrong, and I've explained why it is, too.

Stealing isn't necessarily taking something that no one will ever get back.

Someone makes a price for a product. If someone comes in and says "I'm not going to pay for this, I'm going to make a copy of it and not pay anything instead." That is still stealing, as they have created this product and should be paid accordingly for it.